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Aidoneus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:05 AM
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Hamas political chief: PM target for assassination
Last Update: 24/03/2004 12:31
Hamas political chief: PM target for assassination
By Amos Harel, Arnon Regular and Uri Ash, Haaretz Correspondents, Haaretz Service and Agencies

The head of the radical Islamic Hamas movement's political bureau, was quoted Wednesday as saying that Prime Minister Ariel Sharon had become a target for assassination.

The DPA news agency quoted Khaled Mashaal as telling a Hamas website "Sharon has become a target for Palestinian resistance men and the al-Qassam Brigades (Hamas' armed wing) in retaliation for the assassination of Sheikh Ahmed Yassin."

Hamas has repeatedly threatened to target high-ranking Israeli officials such as Defense Minister Shaul Mofaz since the assassination early Monday of its spiritual leader and founder.

On Tuesday, Hamas distributed playing cards with the names of Israeli officials who would be targeted, similar to the card decks of officials in the regime of captured Iraqi dictator Saddam Hussein issued by the United States.

Contrary to previous reports, Mashaal said Hamas had no intention of carrying out retaliatory attacks against international targets, but would focus on attacks against Israel.

--snip--

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/408292.html
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smartass Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:54 AM
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1. If Sharon was assasinated, it would be armageddon in the middle east.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 06:57 AM
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2. Who
in the ME would care if he was?
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:10 AM
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3. The Israelis
Who would then kill every terrorist they could find in any place or nation that was hiding them.

As an aside, for all of you Hamas defenders out there, the asshole who made this statement is supposed to be the guy in charge of the "political" and "moderate" side of Hamas. Yeah, so much for that theory.
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:18 AM
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4. Sharon is responsible for the slaughter of thousands
The world would be a much better place without him. People all over the world would rejoice if he was killed.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:20 AM
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6. Amen
to that Carl!
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:25 AM
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7. Until the massive war that followed
People in Israel would take natural offense at the killing of their democratically elected leader.

It's funny to see folks calling for the death of a democratically elected leader on DEMOCRATIC Underground.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:26 AM
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Muddleoftheroad Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:29 AM
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9. Arafat ACTIVELY aids terror
And even then Israel has not killed him.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:34 AM
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10. You were talking
about being elected democratically. Sharon has done a lot of terror on his part and has a lot of blood on his hands just as well (not just Sabra and Shatila) along with all of his policy and killed Palestinian civilians because of his obsession with stealing land and oppressing Palestinians. But you obviously don't see that as a supporter of his...
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Noon_Blue_Apples Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 12:00 PM
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27. It's the same argument used against blacks in the US

they just are not as civilized as the rest of us so they don't have the same rights....just look at them in their 'communities', having babies, drinking 40's and committing crime on us poor innocents.

They don't have the 'right' to the same treatment because they don't deserve it....just look at them and their 'hip hop' and sneakers...if they cared for their children like we care for ours...

But see, we are the 'elected' leaders. We are righteous by default because our leader is 'elected' - hence - he is untouchable. Your community leaders better not reach too fast for a wallet or drive a nice car...because we all know where that money came from...

same racist garbage.

Our assassinations are good and will lead to peace, yours are bad and will lead to war.

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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:41 AM
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12. Being elected doesn't excuse slaughter
He's a war criminal. The sooner he dies the better.
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:46 AM
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13. Anyone else you wish death for?
It seems to be the new "progressive" game show.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:47 AM
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14. Wishing the deaths
to Palestinians from your camp has obviously slipped through your mind. Or is killing Palestinians a "progressive" thing?
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GabysPoppy Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:49 AM
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15. I haven't been to camp since I was 10 years old
You should be busy searching your old remarks anyway.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:01 AM
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Carl21014 Donating Member (522 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:01 AM
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18. Just stating fact!
This world will be a better place when Sharon no longer leaves his stain.
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markus Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:49 AM
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16. Why we don't care for Mr. Sharon
Usama bin Laden -- ordered the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians in New York.

Saron -- ordered the deaths of thousands of innocent civilians (large women, children and the elderly) in Lebanon.

Some of us fail to see the difference, regardless of his current gig.

I'm not defending Hamas.

What really bugs the hell out of me is the Bush administration's blythe adoption of the "Isreali" approach to terrorism. Kill them so they kill us so we can kill them and we can keep the place in a constant state of war, which is a rather profitable state of affairs for all invovled in the leadership on both sides.

In all fairness, I have equal sympathy for the average person both Isreali and Palestinian. I have not an ounce of sympathy for the leadership on either side, who are a lot of blood thirsty thugs the world would be better off without.

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sushi Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:25 AM
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19. Totally agree with you!
I have equal sympathy for the average person both Israeli and Palestinian. I have not an ounce of sympathy for the leadership on either side, who are a lot of blood thirsty thugs the world would be better off without.

If only the Israelis and Palestinians would get rid of their leaders. There must be better people for those jobs.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:20 AM
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smartass Donating Member (223 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 07:34 AM
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11. What do you know about war?
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Commie Pinko Dirtbag Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:42 AM
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25. Oh, I see
because bombing cafés and school buses, although bad, is not AS bad as killing that one person. Yeah right.</sarcasm>

If you ask me, plotting to kill the PM IS moderation, compared to wholesale slaughter of civilians. Sounds crazy, I know, but think about it.
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Jack Rabbit Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:46 AM
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20. It's an armed conflict
Reposting from yesterday:

Right in the sense of legal? Yes, the killing was legal. Once we accept that this is an armed conflict, combatants are fair game. Sheikh Yassin directed militants against Israeli targets. He was a guerrilla leader. That makes him fair game.
Moreover, Sheikh Yassin was a war criminal. He deliberately targeted civilians who had no direct association with the conflict and were engaged at the time they were attacked in mundane, day=to-day activities. Yes, it would have been better to put him on trial for that, but we don't need formal proceedings to draw that conclusion.
Sheikh Yassin was a racist. He openly called for the removal of Jews from Israel. It's one thing to call for the removal of illegal settlements from occupied territory; it's not racist to ask that an occupying power respect international law and the rights of the residents of occupied territory by refraining from transferring parts of its own population to land beyond its borders that it controls. However, it racist to tell people to leave their homes simply because they are of the wrong ethnic group.
Was it right in the sense of being a good idea? Israel will see no short term benefit from this assassination. It won't prevent one attack that would have happened anyway. Israel can assassinate all of Hamas' leaders and more will rise to replace them.
Even in the long term, the only thing that is going to break the Palestinian Resistance is the end of occupation. One does not need to call the end of the "Zionist entity" (I don't) in order to realize that Palestinians have some serious legitimate grievances against the occupying power of the West Bank and Gaza. Rightly or wrongly, were I a Palestinian, I would believe that an end to resistance would mean bringing about a world were Israelis can with impunity and without just cause force Palestinians from their homes in order build housing where the former residents are prohibited from living and accessed on segregated roads. That is happening today and as long as it appears to be what Israel is fighting for in the occupied territories, then resistance is natural and just. It will continue.
Yassin's idea of what Palestinian resistance should look like was abominable. His goals for the ends that resistance should be were unobtainable. Nevertheless, Yassin didn't start this conflict and killing him won't end it.

By the same token, Sharon is also a legitimate target. We cannot very well justify the targeting of Yassin on the grounds that this is an armed conflict and not also admit that Sharon and other Israeli officials are also legitimate targets.

Sharon has been no more a positive force for peace than was Yassin. He has never seen a peace agreement that he liked. He actively worked to undermine Oslo. He is the architect of the settlement program, which provides the Palestinian with a legitimate grievance (as noted above). Like Yassin, Sharon has a bloody past that would support charges of war crimes.

Anybody who can claim to be the architect of Israel's settlement program is a racist. The policy rests on the premise that Jews have rights in places beyond Israel's borders where Palestinians live that Palestinians do not.

While it would be as "legal" for the Palestinian militants to target the Israeli Prime Minister as it is for the Israelis to target the leader of a guerrilla organization, and while Sharon the man has no more moral standing in this conflict than did Yassin, it would do the Palestinians no more good to assassinate Sharon than it does the Israelis to assassinate Yassin. The government would have less difficulty choosing a Prime Minister than Hamas had finding a new leader. The assassination of Sharon would not result in one housing unit in one settlement being torn down, the removal of the security wall to the Green Line, the withdrawal of Israeli troops from occupied territory or the establishment of a Palestinian state. It certainly won't bring about the destruction of Israel, which is Hamas' goal.

As the Palestinians have legitimate grievances against the Israeli authorities, so do the Israelis have legitimate grievances against the Palestinian leadership. Israel is not going to be driven into the sea. Sheikh Yassin's demand that Jews go back to Europe was ludicrous and grotesque. The preferred tactic of the Palestinian resistance isn't warfare; it's terrorism. No matter how legitimate the Palestinian grievances are, that make Palestinian guerrillas less warriors than criminals. Until Palestinian leaders, which means those in charge of guerrillas more than it means any figure in the PA, assure the Israelis that civilians will not be targeted, the occupation and the conflict will continue.

Personally, I greeted Yassin's demise with remark of "good riddance." I won't retract that. He was a terrible man who made things worse rather than better. Nevertheless, the Israelis have accomplished nothing by killing him.

By the same token, the Palestinians would accomplish nothing by targeting the Israeli leadership.
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bluesoul Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 09:55 AM
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21. Great article
Jack, as always ;)
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:08 AM
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22. I'm shocked, shocked
I take it Hamas would never have considered assasinating Sharon before this? I thought the whole reason these guys targeted busloads of schoolchildren was precisely because they couldn't get anywhere near Sharon.
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tinnypriv Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:17 AM
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23. Actually
Edited on Wed Mar-24-04 10:17 AM by tinnypriv

They probably could.

Another terrorist group demonstrated it always had the (unused) capability to assassinate members of the Israeli cabinet a few years back. The PFLP didn't do that until it's own political leader was liquidated (the first political leader to be killed).

Terrorism and counter-terrorism is usually a tacit understanding. Which is why killing Yassin was such a mistake (though justifiable).
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mobuto Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 12:18 PM
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28. They shot Israel's tourism minister
And since then, security has been increased many fold. If Hamas thought they could have killed Sharon in 2001 or 2002 don't you think they would have?

Which is why killing Yassin was such a mistake (though justifiable).

I think that's the real question. Its not whether Yassin deserved to die - of course he did - its whether it made sense for Israel to kill him. My hunch is that it might. The standard answer of course is that it didn't - violence builds upon violence and the only result is further radicalization. But what I suspect is that Hamas is really incapable of retaliating equivalently and that as a result its reputation will suffer among Palestinians. Moreover, if Israel maintains the full court press, Hamas leadership may well be balkanized absent a single uniting leader.
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Vladimir Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-25-04 12:53 PM
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31. For once, I would tend to agree
with your first paragraph. There is no way in hell that Hamas can get to Sharon, and besides it is hardly their MO. Much as the West likes to lump all the various terrorist groups together, there are vast differences between the PFLP, Hamas, Hezbulaah etc. The PFLP might have been able to pull something like that off years ago, but Hamas... no way.

I think a lot now depends on what Hamas's targets are (reciprocity doesn't required govt. ministers IMO) but also whether Israel is stupid enough to kill Arafat as has been suggested in some places. If they do, then all bets are off.

V
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cantwealljustgetalong Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 10:40 AM
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24. Hamas Chief Backs Off Threats Against U.S. ...

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip (AP) - Hamas has no plans to attack American targets, the group's new leader in Gaza said Wednesday, backing off earlier threats against Washington following Israel's assassination of its founder.

...

Hamas had issued veiled threats against the United States _ something it rarely does _ after the death of its spiritual leader, Sheik Ahmed Yassin, in an Israeli air strike on Monday.

It issued a statement saying America's backing of Israel made the assassination possible. "All the Muslims of the world will be honored to join in on the retaliation for this crime," Hamas said in a statement.

President Bush said after the statement that the United States takes the threat seriously.

...

Israel holds Hamas responsible for the deaths of hundreds of people in suicide bombings and has marked the group's entire leadership for death.

Rantisi said Wednesday that he is not afraid of the death threats.

http://www.wtopnews.com/index.php?nid=105&sid=183065
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lefty_mcduff Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 11:32 AM
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26. He's probably *always been* a target.
The opportunity just hasn't presented itself. Yet.
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Mar-24-04 08:02 PM
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30. much as I hate A. Sharon, this is a bad Idea ...
like I also say for Yasin an arrest and a trial is better.
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