Israel to deport Scot who tried to stop soldiers demolishing house

[Resistance]

http://www.theherald.co.uk/news/archive/18-8-19103-0-37-56.html

A SCOTS peace activist is to be deported from Israel after trying to stop soldiers blowing up and bulldozing the house of a Palestinian family at a refugee camp near Nablus.

Andrew Muncie, 29, of Spean Bridge, Inverness-shire, who is with the International Solidarity Movement, chained himself to a pole in the house.

He was arrested in the early hours yesterday by the Israeli defence force (IDF) who "blindfolded, handcuffed, and took him to the police station in Ariel", according to the solidarity group. It said he was due home today or tomorrow.

A spokesman said: "The house was blown up and bulldozed, an action in contravention of the Geneva Convention which proscribes collective punishment. At a court hearing in Tel Aviv yesterday, he was found guilty of obstructing the Israeli authorities and ordered to be deported."

[rini]

1. Scotman

And your point is?

[Violet_Crumble]

2. I think you mean Scotsman...

Try reading the article. Then you'd get the point. It's self-evident...

Violet...

[Muddleoftheroad]

3. Let me ask you

If you openly defied police in ANY nation, wouldn't you get in trouble?

[Resistance]

4. still defending the ethnic cleansing?

[Muddleoftheroad]

5. Arrest

I asked a question about the arrest. I didn't realize that Scotland was being cleansed of something or another.

[Resistance]

8. No it's the Palestinians being ethnically cleansed

which you continue to defend and support

[Muddleoftheroad]

9. Or put another way

They arrested a foreign national who interfered with the military. That will get you locked up in any nation in the world.

[Resistance]

10. Of course, according to you,

it doesn't matter that the said military is engaged in terrorism and ethnic cleansing against a native civilian population. Keep the excuses coming, muddle

[Muddleoftheroad]

11. It isn't doing either

So that makes it easy.

[Resistance]

12. Uh huh

Murdering innocent civilians and razing Palestinian land to make room for a racist Apartheid Wall, dropping bombs on civilian targets and gunning down little kids isn't terrorism and ethnic cleansing.

Whatever.

[Aidoneus]

13. that is absolutely not "terrorism"

You can easily tell what is or isn't "terrorism" by looking at the flags:--if somebody has the wrong flag, then they're dirty scum terrorist and their death is satisfying and always in "defense". :eyes:

[Darranar]

22. Good point, Aidoneous...

Like in Iraq: When the US kills civilians in the bombing raids, it is "collateral damage." When the suicide bomber drove the truck into the UN headquarters in Baghdad, it's terrorism.

[yuvalmadar]

28. My view of things

I believe that we are guilty in some of our actions, like the way we handle major terrorists (launch a missile to their cars, blowing them, their families, and everybody else around them.

Though, we are <b>not</b> terrorists.
We merely try to defend ourselves against the terrorist attacks, without them we'd never bother conquering Palestinian territory we don't need it.
Even the Jordan king let them go and never wanted them back after the war because he knew that they were trouble-makers and that he'd be better-off without them, problem is that we <b>had</b> to take their territories <i>because</i> of their attacks (Even before Israel was founded), and as such we are the defensive side.

Because of their aggression we had to take military actions, in which we'll may be wrong (As I said in the beginning), but we <b>certainly</b> are not terrorists.

[yuvalmadar]

27. Bullshit!

Nothing more to say, the title is sufficient.

[Violet_Crumble]

30. Not really...

Of course there's a low-level ethnic cleansing going on, and it has been for a long time now. Most people seem to think that for something to be ethnic cleansing it's got to be a sudden, massive transfer of people from the land they live on, and it has to involve massive violence. Ethnic cleansing can go on over a long period of time, and with the destruction of Palestinian homes, the Palestinian economy, and the indiscriminate killing of Palestian civilians, it's not bullshit at all to point out that there's an element of ethnic-cleansing going on...

Violet...

[Jim Sagle]

6. Self-defense isn't ethnic cleansing.

[Resistance]

7. uh, yeah

And the Nazis were "defending themselves" from Jews, I suppose (the same logic applies)

[Jim Sagle]

25. Only in Bizarro World.

[bemildred]

26. Yup.

And ethnic cleansing is not self-defense.
In fact it seems to work crappy for that.

[Name removed]

29. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[yuvalmadar]

33. can you please tell me why was my post deleted? (I believeit was mine)

[Violet_Crumble]

14. The Occupied Territories isn't Israel...

n/t

[Kbowe]

15. Nor is bulldozing a families home "self-defense"

Seems like the media always takes the Israeli side. Palestinians are called terrorists and occupying Israeli forces are called soldiers or even citizens. The word "terrorists" seems to follow the word Palestinian while the word "settlers" seems to follow the word Israeli.

[rini]

16. Thre occupied territories

most certainly are Israel, it is being occupied by Arab immigrants who call themselves Palestinian.

[Violet_Crumble]

17. Nothing like seeing an extremist pov on a progressive forum...

That warped belief that the Occupied Territories as well as whatever parts of other nations are part of Israel is what those extremist settlers are into. The fact is that the Occupied Territories aren't part of Israel and no Israeli government has annexed the West Bank or Gaza Strip which a state that believed territory that doesn't belong to it is part of it would do...

Palestinians are Arab immigrants?? Do you understand what an immigrant is? Trying to term people who have been born somewhere and whos families have been on that land for countless generations is just plain silly. I've seen racists elsewhere trot out the claim that the Aborigines here are immigrants because aoens ago another group of people were here before them. And Palestinians don't just call themselves Palestinians - they are Palestinians...

Violet...

[tinnypriv]

18. Thanks

Now every single person in I/P knows to make sure to ignore every single thing you say in the future.

Great work! :thumbsup:

[Equinox]

20. LOL...rini?

Are you kidding? So every nation in the world including the US is wrong and your right?

[Noon_Blue_Apples]

21. Oh good, another religious fanatic

go figure

[Equinox]

19. Muddleoftheroad,

They are not on their land. End of story.

[Muddleoftheroad]

23. No other nation

Possesses that land, so they are in Israeli territory until such time as a peace settlement makes it someone else's territory.

[Equinox]

24. Simple terms.

They are not on Israeli territory by virtue of international law.

[Violet_Crumble]

31. Bogus, dude!!

I just thought I'd jump in with the predictable reply from Muddle that international law is bogus and the UN is bogus. It's not a particularly convincing argument, especially when used to argue that it's just fine for a state to take control of land that doesn't belong to it by force. As if calling everything someone doesn't like bogus is going to convince me we should all don our army fatigues and revert back to the dark days of late 19th century conquest that caused so much trouble in Europe and is still causing shitloads of trouble in Africa...

Violet...

[Equinox]

32. Yes...

Let's amend all charters and resolution to include:

"By the way, this is all bogus."