Israel Vows to Target Militant Leaders

[Herschel]

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&u=/ap/20030823/ap_on_re_mi_ea/israel_palestinians_325

"The decision to kill leaders of Hamas and Islamic Jihad was made in a meeting of Israel's security Cabinet earlier this week, in response to a Hamas suicide bombing that killed 20 people, security officials said. "As far as we are concerned, anyone who is in the Hamas leadership is a fair target," one official said on condition of anonymity.


At the Cabinet meeting, participants drew a parallel to the deaths of 11 Israeli athletes seized by Palestinian militants at the 1972 Munich Olympics, a security source said. At the time, Prime Minister Golda Meir ordered Israeli agents to track down and kill suspects in the kidnapping, and Prime Minister Ariel Sharon (news - web sites) appears to have approved a similarly tough line concerning the Palestinian militants."

We wish the brave IDF soldiers well in their hunt.

[yuvalmadar]

1. Like that'll help...:(

We've been running after terrorists for years, KILLING THE LEADERS DOESN'T HELP - DAMN IT!

When will they understand that? :(

[Herschel]

3. Eliminating some of these animals

is worthy. If some choose to follow their path, the elimination of those before is still worthy.

[Tinoire]

4. Cockroaches, dogs - Gee just what "SOME ANIMALS" Herschel?

:puke:

Too bad nobody eliminated some of these "animals" because then we wouldn't be in this mess now, would we?

JERUSALEM, Aug. 12 — The official offered his prisoners a deal: he might let them go if they agreed to halt their "terrorist activities" and to use only political means to pursue their dream of statehood.

It was a proposal similar to the one Mahmoud Abbas, the Palestinian prime minister, is making now to Hamas and other Palestinian factions that advocate terrorism. But this particular offer was made by a British officer to a group of Jews, at the time that the British uneasily governed Palestine, before the creation of the state of Israel in 1948.

Among those who heard the proposal out, and rejected it, was a young extremist who went by a nom de guerre, Michael. Michael later escaped and returned to the underground, to a campaign of assassination, bombing and arms smuggling, with bank robbery thrown in to finance the effort.

"Nothing would be permitted to stand in the way of Jewish independence in the Land of Israel," Michael wrote 50 years later in his autobiography. "Nothing and No One."

<<snip- read on for the attack on the Arav bus >>

http://www.yopyop.com/citizens/more.php?id=212_0_1_0_M

[Herschel]

5. Do not compare

the brave fight for a Jewish state with the murderers now to be hunted.

[StandWatie]

6. do you really believe all that bullshit?

or do you just make up purple prose to try and get the worst possible reaction as a sort of trolling device?

[Herschel]

7. Mind yourself

The struggle for a Jewish state did not include the practice of deliberate civilian murder as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Do not compare them.

[Tinoire]

28. It is long past time for Israeli Zionists, like myself, to apologize.

It is long past time for Israeli Zionists, like myself, to apologize. The Israeli government has never apologized for the massacre of Deir Yassin, though the Jewish Agency apologized to King Abdullah in April 1948. The perpetrators of the massacre at Deir Yassin were never punished, though there was a great hue and cry at the time. Victims were never offered compensation. Therefore, and as long as this is true, the massacre at Deir Yassin has become the dubious moral property of all Zionists. We cannot sit back and say 'this was the fault of the revisionists.' The massacre at Deir Yassin may have set the pattern for much similar behavior throughout the War of Independence. A similar massacre, by dissident troops incorporated in the IDF, occurred later at Al-Dawayima, near Hebron. Other massacres by the IDF are well documented as well. If we Israelis believe that we are a moral society, then we owe it to ourselves to face the past.

The material at this site is not ‘Arab propaganda.’ It was researched and written by Zionists who are concerned about the moral image of our state. We cannot bring back the dead. We can tell the truth, offer our sincere apologies, and learn the lesson of Deir Yassin and teach it to our children.

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/
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Growing up in a Zionist home, I had absorbed the stories of the siege of Jerusalem, the convoys and the ‘Burma road.’ I had also heard of the massacre at Deir Yassin from many sources - and in many versions, including the story about the Arabs dressed as women and other details. When I came across the ZOA account, and contrary Arab accounts, I thought that surely, ‘our side’ cannot be covering up the truth. I was shocked and saddened to learn that that was indeed the case.

The evidence that the Irgun and Lehi perpetrated a massacre at Deir Yassin is overwhelming. It comes from numerous independent sources, Jewish and Arab, Haganah and dissidents and it is recorded on film. It does not depend on the testimony of any one person. There are a number of objections and excuses that have been raised by revisionist sources. None of them would be justification for a massacre, but most of them are untrue in any event. The attack was unprovoked. The motivation for it was supposedly booty and revenge for misdeeds of the village ten years previously. It was not part of any Haganah plan, and was allowed only reluctantly by the Haganah, after the revisionists refused several other options. There were only a few, if any, foreign Arab soldiers in the village. There were possibly a few cases in which Arab men had disguised themselves as women, but these do not explain the shooting of little children. Most casualties, as attested by several independent witnesses, were shot and did not die when houses were blown up. The number of casualties cannot be determined exactly. The most conservative estimate is 107 dead, but there were probably more.

<snip>

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/dycg.htm

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Deir Yassin and the Zionist Organization of America

A study released March 9, 1998 by Morton Klein, President of the ZOA, claims that there was no massacre at Deir Yassin. Examination of the known history, including testimony by Irgun and Lehi combatants, indicates that this claim is absurd. For an official Zionist organization to claim otherwise puts the Zionist movement in a ridiculous and shameful position, not morally different from holocaust denial. It would be best if the ZOA retracted this study. If they do not do so, they will expose Zionism to an embarrassing attack, the results of which are a foregone conclusion. If, after examining the evidence, you agree, please write to the ZOA and ask them to retract their study before it causes further embarrassment to the Zionist movement:
Zionist Organization of America
4 East 34th St. New York, N.Y 10016 USA

Fax [phone]
Email [e-mail]

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More information about Deir Yassin:

Deir Yassin
The Evidence

by Ami Isseroff

Presented by the PEACE Middle East Dialog Group

http://www.ariga.com/peacewatch/dy/dycg.htm

[bemildred]

8. Seems like a pattern here of

people making forbidden comparisons:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=124&topic_id=7774#7782

Tsk, tsk, when will we learn to stay within the
permitted boundaries of thought.

[Herschel]

9. Is deliberate muder

the same as incidental deaths? I think you know the answer.

[bemildred]

10. Ah, a mind reader too.

If its all right with you, I'll decide for myself what
to call things.

[yuvalmadar]

14. He is correct about this

Had the terrorists attacked the soldiers it'd have been somehow understandable, but they do not.

They attack civilians, women and children that did them no harm.
And more importantly, attacking civilians doesn't help them in their struggle, it's plain murder.

[StandWatie]

16. that's "terrorism" to

Israel doesn't differentiate so it makes it sort of worthless to even try.

[yuvalmadar]

23. Of course it is!

But it'll be more justified and less cowardly.

I am sure someone will ask me that sometime, so I'll tell you my definition of "Terror" -
Use of lethal force against people for political or religious reasons.

[StandWatie]

25. the usual Palestinian spin is..

That as long as Palestinian civilians are being killed, Israeli civilians should live in the same fear.

I don't agree with that but it would be nice to see someone take the high ground.

[rini]

20. their is no

comparison, but the neo-nazi skin heads buffoons will never admit it.

[Violet_Crumble]

44. Who are the 'neo-nazi skin heads buffoons'?

n/t

[Tinoire]

24. The Brave Fight?

How do you define bravery? We are obviously using two different dictionaries!

Massacres against Palestinians

YEHIDA Massacre
KHISAS Massacre
QAZAZA Massacre
AL-SHEIKH VILLAGE Massacre
DEIR YASSIN Massacre
NASER AL-DIN Massacre
BEIT DARAS Massacre
THE DAHMASH MOSQUE Massacre
DAWAYMA Massacre
SHARAFAT Massacre
KIBYA Massacre
KAFR QASEM Massacre
AL-SAMMOU' Massacre
THE SABRA AND SHATILA Massacre
OYON QARA Massacre
AL-AQSA MOSQUE Massacre
THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE Massacre
THE JABALIA Massacre
ERETZ CHECKPOINT Massacre


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YEHIDA MASSACRE
-YEHIDA MASSACRE: 13 December 1947: men of the Arab
Village of Yehiday (near Petah Tekva, the first Jewish settlement to be established) met at the local coffee house when they saw a British Army patrol enter the village, they were reassured especially that Jewish terrorists had murdered 12 Palestinians the previous day. The four cars stopped in front of the cafe house and out stepped men dressed in khaki uniforms and steel helmets. However, it soon became apparent that they had not come to protect the villagers. With machine guns they sprayed bullets into the crowd gathered in the coffee house. Some of the invaders placed bombs next to Arab homes while other disguised terrorists tossed grenades at civilians. For a while it seemed as if the villagers would be annihilated but soon a real British patrol arrived to foil the well-organized killing raid. The death toll of 7 Arab civilians could have been much higher.
Earlier the same day 6 Arabs were killed and 23 wounded when homemade bombs were tossed at a crowd of Arabs standing near the Damascus Gate in Jerusalem. In Jaffa another bomb killed six more Arabs and injured 40.

KHISAS MASSACRE
- KHISAS MASSACRE: 18 December 1947: Two carloads of Haganah terrorists drove through the village of Khisas (on the Lebanese Syrian border) firing machine guns and throwing grenades. 10 Arab civilians were killed in the raid.

QAZAZA MASSACRE
- QAZAZA MASSACRE: 19 December 1947: 5 Arab children were murdered when Jewish terrorists blew up the house of the village Mukhtar.

AL-SHEIKH VILLAGE MASSACRE
- AL-SHEIKH VILLAGE MASSACRE: 1 January 1948: On that night around two hundred Zionists armed with hand grenades and machine guns sneaked into a small village called al-Shaikh village (5km South East of Haifa).
The attackers came through the southern hills (most possibly from Nisher Jewish settlement which lies about 5Km south of the village). They attacked the houses on the edges of the village with hand-grenades and finished off with machine-guns killing around 40 of the Palestinians inhabitants of the village, mostly women and children.

DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE
- DEIR YASSIN MASSACRE: 9-10 April 1948: The massacre
that became the symbol of Zionist aggression for the Palestinians as well as Zionist treachery. The Mukhtar of the village had agreed with the Zionists to provide information on the movement of strangers in the area as well as other intelligence provided their village is spared. The Zionists were not to keep their side of the promise. In an operation called Operation Unity, the Haganah co-operated with the Irgun and the Stern Gang. At 4:30 am on Friday 9th April 1948 surrounded the village which was overlooked by two Jewish settlements, Givat Shaul and Montefiore. For two days Zionist terrorists killed men women and children, raped women and stole their jewelry. A chilling account of the massacre is given by a Red Cross doctor who arrived at the village on the second day and saw himself -- the mopping up as one of the terrorists put it to him. He says that the mopping up- had been done with machine guns, then grenades and finished of with knives. Women's bellies were cut open and babies were butchered in the hands of their helpless mothers. Around 250 people were murdered in cold blood. Of them 25 pregnant women were bayoneted in the abdomen while still alive. 52 children were maimed under the eyes of their own mothers, and they were slain and their heads cut off.
The Jewish Agency and the commander of the British ground troops knew of the massacre while it was going on, however, no one intervened to stop it.

NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE
- NASER AL-DIN MASSACRE: 13-14 April 1948, a contingent of Lehi and Irgun entered this village (near Tiberias) entered the village on the night of 13 April dressed as Arab fighters. Upon their entrance to the village the people went out to greet them, the terrorists met them with fire, killing every single one of them. Only 40 people survived. All the houses of the village were raised to the ground.

BEIT DARAS MASSACRE
- BEIT DARAS MASSACRE: 21 May 1948, after a number of failed attempts to occupy this village, the Zionists mobilized a large contingent and surrounded the village. The people of Beit Daras decided that women
and children should leave. As women and children left the village they were met by the Zionist army who massacred them despite the fact that they could see they were women and children fleeing the fighting.

THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE
-THE DAHMASH MOSQUE MASSACRE: 11 July 1948, after the Israeli 89th Commando Battalion lead by Moshe Dayan occupied Lydda, the Israelis told Arabs through loudspeakers that if they went into a certain mosque they would be safe. In retaliation for a hand grenade attack after the surrender that killed several Israeli soldiers, 80-100 Palestinians were massacred in the mosque, their bodies lay decomposing for 10 days in the mid-summer heat. The mosque still stands abandoned today. This massacre spread fear and panic among the Arab population of Lydda and Ramle, who were then ordered to march out of these towns after they were stripped of all personal belonging by Israeli soldiers. Yetzak Rabin, Brigade Commander then says: -There was no way of avoiding the use of force and warning shots in order to make the inhabitants march ten to fifteen miles to the point where they met up with the legion-. Most of the 60,000 inhabitants of Lyda and Ramble came to refugee camps near Ramallah; around 350 lost their lives on the way through dehydration and sunstroke. Many survived by drinking their own urine. The conditions in the refugee camps were to claim more lives.

DAWAYMA MASSACRE
- DAWAYMA MASSACRE: 29 October 1948, the following is the testimony of a soldier who participated in the occupation of the village of Dawayma (in the Haifa sub district): -.. They killed between 80 to 100 Arab men women and children. To kill children they factored their heads with sticks. There was not one home left without corpses .... One commander ordered a soldier to bring two women into a building he was about to blow up... Another soldier prided himself on having raped an Arab women before shooting her to death...-The massacre was perpetrated by the 89th Battalion, the authors of Lydda massacre.

SHARAFAT MASSACRE
- SHARAFAT MASSACRE: 7 February 1951, Israeli soldiers crossed the armistice line to this village (5Km from Jerusalem) and blew up the houses of the Mukhtar and his neighbors. 10 were killed (2 elderly men, 3 women and 5 children) and 8 were wounded.

KIBYA MASSACRE
- KIBYA MASSACRE: 14 October 1953, 9:30 pm about 700 regular Israeli troops attacked the border Jordanian village of Kibya, north west of Jerusalem. Using mortars, machine guns, rifles and explosives they blew up 42 houses, the local schools and the mosque. Every man woman and child found by these criminals was killed. 75 innocent villagers were murdered in cold blood. The raids were ordered by Ariel Sharon.

KAFR QASEM MASSACRE
- KAFR QASEM MASSACRE: 29 October 1956 Israeli frontier guards started at 4pm what they called a tour of the Triangle Villages. They told the Mukhtars of those villages that the curfew from that day onwards was to start from 5pm instead of 6pm. They reached Kafr Qasem around 4:45 and informed the Mukhtar protested that there are about 400 villagers working outside the village and there is not enough time to inform them of the new times. An officer assured him that they would be taken care of. Then the guards waited at the entrance to the village 43 Kafr Qasem inhabitants were massacred in cold blood by the army as they returned from work, their crime was violating a curfew they did not know about. On the northern entrance of the village 3 were killed and 2 were killed inside of the village. Amongst the dead were men, women, and children. Lutanat Danhan was touring the area in his jeep reporting the massacre; on his wireless he said "minus 15 Arabs" after a while his message on the radio to his H.Q. was "it is difficult to count".

AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE
- AL-SAMMOU' MASSACRE: 13 November 1966, Israeli forces raided this village, destroyed 125 houses, the village clinic and school as well as 15 houses in a neighbouring village. 18 people were killed and 54 wounded.

THE SABRA AND SHATILA MASSACRE
- THE SABRA AND SHATILA MASSACRE: 15-18 September 1982, after the 1982 Israeli invasion of Lebanon Phalangist puppets of the Israelis massacred over 3000 Palestinian men, women and children under the watchful eyes of the Israeli army. A body count by the International committee of the Red Cross revealed 2750 dead, the real figure is thought to be much higher and may never be known.

OYON QARA MASSACRE
- OYON QARA MASSACRE (RISHON LEZION): 20 May 1990, an Israeli soldier lined up Palestinian labors and murdered seven of them with a sub-machine gun. 13 Palestinians were killed by Israeli forces in subsequent demonstrations at the massacre.

AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE
- AL-AQSA MOSQUE MASSACRE: 8 October 1990, Israeli police opened fire on worshipers in al-Aqsa mosque killing 22 people.

THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE
- THE IBRAHIMI MOSQUE MASSACRE: 25 February 1994, A Jewish terrorist, from Keryat Arba' settlement massacred 60 worshipers in the Ibrahimi Mosque in al-Khalil (Hebron) and wounded about 200. Later massive demonstrations took to the streets of Palestine and the Zionist army responded by life ammunitions killing 23 and wounding hundreds more. Reports indicate there were 3 Jewish settler gunners, not only one.

>THE JABALIA MASSACRE
- THE JABALIA MASSACRE: 28 March 1994, A Jewish undercover police opened fire on Palestinian activists brutally killing 6 and injuring 49. Some of the wounded activists were taken out of their cars and shot in their heads to death.

ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE
- ERETZ CHECKPOINT MASSACRE: 17 July 1994, Palestinian sources reported that the occupation forces had committed Sunday morning a disgusting massacre against Palestinian workers at Eretz Checkpoint. Eyewitnesses and Israeli sources reported that 11 Palestinians have been shot dead and 200 injured. Israeli sources also reported that 21 Israeli soldiers including 1 settler were injured. Two soldiers were shot by bullets, one died. As reported by Palestinian and Israeli sources, the scene was described as a war zone which lasted for 6 hours. Four Israeli tanks and helicopters were brought by the occupation forces, while a number of settlers were taking part firing at Palestinians. Protest had spread all over the Occupied Territories. In Gaza, Palestinians raised black flags and called for revenge. In Ramallah, shops closed while several clashes were reported. Several clashes were reported at Hebron University yesterday, and today two Palestinians were shot in Hebron. These are just some of the massacres committed against the Palestinians. If the raids on southern Lebanon old and new were to be taken account, the true magnitude of these crimes against humanity could start to emerge. If one were to go into the gruesome details of the atrocities committed in 1948- the mopping up operations, the deliberate humiliation and massacre of Arabs and the desecration of the holy places of both Muslims and Christians as well as the looting of these holy places and personal property by the Israeli army and settlers; one might just start to understand.

Special thanks to Hasan M. Yousef for his permission to reprint his compilation!

Much much more information on these and other massacres can be found here:

http://www.iap.org/massacres.htm

[yuvalmadar]

26. You are talking about stuff that happened 55 years ago!

I haven't read you entire post, but most of the "Massacres" (After seeing your source I doubt it's credibility) you aretalking about are originated 55 years ago!

The latest one happened 10 years ago!!!

What kind of a proof is that?

[drdon326]

27. yuvalmadar...

Ask Tinoire about the wanton murder of 20 innocent

people on that bus 2 days ago.

g'head....ask.

[yuvalmadar]

29. 2 days?

What are you talking about, I don't quite follow...
Wanton?

[Tinoire]

30. I am responding to Herschel's Revisionism

The struggle for a Jewish state did not include the practice of deliberate civilian murder as Hamas and Islamic Jihad. Do not compare them.

If people don't want these things brought up, it might be a good idea to start policing up "factual errors" by certain posters.

[StandWatie]

32. Israel's first AG..

was convicted in an Israeli court for massacring dozens of men, women and children, given a suspended sentance and a dispensation to practice law because "there was no stigma attached to the crime", but nevermind, there were no massacres.

[Tinoire]

37. From that

to Sharon as Prime Minister... The wonders never ceased.

But one should never talk about these things- they might explain why the Palestinians are so fiercely fighting a people that has decimated them, one might start questioning just what fuelled today's horrors, the only ones people want to talk about and only when the victims are Israelis.

Demonize the Palestinians. Demonize the Palestinians seems to be the chorus's ONLY refrain.

[Tinoire]

34. Great- try the source in post 28

And then take all the other names and do some googles to Leftist Israeli sites and see what you find. Read a little Benny Morris and other Jewish and Zionist historians. Then go to the Palestinian sites, stare long and hard at the pictures and ask yourself if maybe you haven't been had.

And once again. Read Herschel's posts to which I am responding if you want to follow why I brought those things up.

[yuvalmadar]

38. It doesn't really matter...

Maybe it is true, I can't be sure, but the site certainly didn't look too good...

I understand why you wrote it...

[Tinoire]

39. Try to get past the looks and

go straight for the information to corroborate it against other sources. Our tendency to fall for slick marketing has gotten us in more than one mess in this country.

I won't vouch for the absolute accuracy of ALL the information I posted since it wasn't based on my own research but to this day, I haven't had any reason to doubt it because the incidents have been documented by Israeli sources. My observation is that the details are sometimes sensationalist but that doesn't mean they're not true. Think of the atrocities in Vietnam, the ones in present-day Iraq...

Man is NOT good, man is NOT kind when it comes to stealing land. Our own history proves that.

Just do your own research. All the information is out there. The Isrealis who run the sites addressing these unsavory chapters of their history are usually very willing to correspond with you and provide you whatever information and/or sources you need and will willingly tell you that the revisionism going on in America is a horrible sham.

In order for there to be peace, there must be justice! And in order for their to be justice, there must be truth! Justice can not be based on lies or distortions!

There is a tendency in this forum to deny the Palestinians their voice. To deride any source that speaks for them. A demand that we accept the word of our whorish US media and the official Israeli media as our sources since we can't use untranslated Hebrew, French, German, Russian, or Arabic sources.

I am so grateful that the Palestinian voice is finally being heard and that courageous, righteous Jews and Israelis paved the way for those voices to have creedence and lend them support.

Thanks

[drdon326]

2. High damn time.

if the useless or worse mazen wont do it, israel
should.

[Jim Sagle]

11. FNA right.

:thumbsup:

[caribmon]

12. read... look.... count... can you?

[drdon326]

15. LOL

Those numbers would be flat now if that that holocaust-
denier would have lived up to his promises to
"dismantle" the little thugs instead of sucking
up to them.

[StandWatie]

17. there is nothing to back that statement up with

Far, far before there was ever a suicide bomber Israel was acting like a murderous thug in the West Bank and Gaza. Why there is this belief that anything would be better for the Palestinians without terrorism is beyond me.

Well, I mean I guess if they were completely obedient and submitted totally to Israeli rule they would probably survive unless settlers killed them but it wouldn't be much of a life.

[drdon326]

18. Ohhhhh....this is interesting.

"Why there is this belief that anything would be better for the Palestinians without terrorism is beyond me."

so you support the terrorism because the palestinians
are better off with the terrorism??

[StandWatie]

19. I don't think it makes a difference

I also don't know what "terrorism" means to you. I definately support anti-IDF actions and in the sense that until bombs started going off in Israeli cities there was absolutely no movement at all towards Palestinian freedom I have to wonder where things would be today without the bombs.

[yuvalmadar]

21. FYI

Arab Terrorists existed years before Israel.

[StandWatie]

22. lol

Whatever the hell that meant..

[yuvalmadar]

31. What I said or the FYI?

FYI - for your information

:)

[StandWatie]

33. I know what FYI means

I just wonder who these Arab "terrorists" were before Zionism. Were there Jewish "terrorists" before Israel or is this strictly an ethnic phenomenon?

[yuvalmadar]

35. so...

These Arab terrorists are nowadays Palestinian terrorists, only that they weren't call Palestinians at the time.
They used to ambush people and vehicles and kill everyone who fell to their traps.

Now, explain to me who are the Jewish terrorists you are talking about...

[StandWatie]

36. err..

Irgun, Stern Gang, LEHI, etc... :shrug:

Those would be the historic groups with the modern day equivalent being Kach, Kahane Chai, "committee for safe roads", etc..

Are you serious? Are you seriously thinking that banditry was the exclusive province of the middle east?

[yuvalmadar]

40. actually...

This wasn't your regular banditry, these gangs were strictly attacking Jews... It was done for pure hatred and greed (They did not want to share Israel with the Jews).

I've seen several buses turned into strainers... They didn't bother hijacking the buses or mug the passengers, they just tricked them into stopping and killed everyone..

EDIT - corrected a few typos... :)

[StandWatie]

41. oh my..

Some recomended reading for you.

Terror Out of Zion by Bell

and

The Palestine Triangle: The Struggle for the Holy Land, 1935-48

The violence under the mandate was not one sided and many busses were ventilated by Yitzhak Shamir personally.

[yuvalmadar]

42. Well...

I don't know about it, and frankly, I don't really care...
I do know of militant actions taken against the arabs at the time by the Israeli underground...

I know that my mother's auntie was killed in such ambush on a school-trip with her class (Not the same time though, it was about 25 years ago, and done in Arafat's orders)...

[Violet_Crumble]

43. Those 'militant actions' included massacres...

Mainly of innocent Arabs. And frankly you should care about it When violence isn't one-sided it doesn't really achieve anything to ignore the violence of only one side by saying you don't know much about it and don't really care...

Violet...

[mike_c]

13. extra judicial executions are state terrorism....

Of course, Israel is busy redefining the term "state terrorism" so this is hardly surprising. What is surprising is the readiness with which even Americans accept it. Who's next, folks? Homosexuals and gypsies?

More Palestinian civilians have been killed than Israelis. Their land is stolen, their homes bulldozed, and now they're being enclosed by a Wall. The IDF goes after individuals with air-to-ground missiles, knowing full well that innocent bystanders will be killed-- oh, but of course there isn't any such thing as an innocent Palestinian, is there? Good hunting indeed.

I used to be very sympathetic toward Israel. Now I agree with the jihadists-- Israel no longer deserves the protection due a civilized nation.