Mr. Abbas has won, EXIT POLLS SAY

[RaulVB]

At 5:03 PM, (Pacific time) I heard this on the local CBS station, Portland, Oregon:

"At this hour, exit polls made for the Palestinian elections, have proclaimed Mr. Abbas as the winner with about 2 thirds of the vote..."

So THIS IS THE FIRST DAMN ELECTION EVER IN PALESTINIAN TERRITORIES AND THEIR EXIT POLLS ARE ACCURATE, EH???

The only PLACE IN THE WORLD WHERE EXIT POLLS ARE "NOT ACCURATE" is the United States of America."

The nerve of the American networks is beyond the pale and the dishonest people posting here that claims "no fraud took place" they are just "irregularities", is sickening.

I really can't understand how the naysayers can lie so much and think anybody will believe on their lies.

Amazing!

[GreenPartyVoter]

1. Astounding, eh?

[FreakinDJ]

2. You mean Palestinian elections are more honest then USA

and AWOL Monkey puppet is president?

who wuold da thunk it

[RaulVB]

4. Or the the exit poll company is an American one (n/t)

[lastknowngood]

3. Another win for the shrub and Sharon

n/t

[RaulVB]

5. Maybe they were using Rove's "expertise" there...

That would make sense...

[RaulVB]

6. Now, let's not miss the point here...

EXIT POLLS ARE A TOOL TO IDENTIFY WINNERS.

Only in the USA THIS TOOL IS NOT "VALID."

That's the message that the American "media" is carrying over and over again.

[lavenderdiva]

7. I saw this and thought the exact same thing!

How is it that the American MainStream Media are willing (and obviously with very shortterm memory) to go on record, before the final tallies were in and before the polls had even closed (!), and predict, according to exit polls, that Abbas would be the conclusive winner? Here they kept holding off, and holding off on the night of Nov. 2. Then CNN even changed their exit polling data. What a mystery! Infuriating. Exit polls are good enough to report winners in the rest of the world, but somehow here, we are the only place where noone can trust the exit polling data. Hmmm...

[aquart]

8. Exit polls are inaccurate anywhere a Bush is running.

It isn't "where." It's "who."

[RaulVB]

11. Correct...

That's the pattern.

[lavenderdiva]

21. good point... n/t

[tritsofme]

9. This isn't a one or two point race

This is a race where the victor recieved upwards of 60% of the vote.

Just not comparable situations.

[RaulVB]

10. Read the part where I talk about dishonesty (n/t)

[spooked911]

12. Oh come on-- Kerry was winning by quite a large margin by the EXIT POLLS

it was only later we found out it was much closer.

[RaulVB]

13. Although he still won...

Exit polls NEVER CONTRADICT the actual resulf of A FAIR ELECTION.

[Igel]

22. Mitofsky's polls

said that Feinstein was going to win some election in CA against Wilson; Wilson carried it handily (according to a second poll). Mitofsky was concerned enough to not call a winner until very, very late in the game (like 24+ hours after the polls closed).

He also predicted by a wide margin the wrong "winner" in NJ back in the late 1980s. He tinkered with his survey forms, and got a very much non-random sample. But he didn't know this for a day or two after the election.

And until late didn't call a lot of states in '92. The reason you don't call a state is because you don't trust your numbers.

That pesky word "never," again. Just takes one counterexample to falsify it.

[tritsofme]

14. Was Kerry winning anywhere near 60% in the preliminary exit polls?

I don't think so.

[RaulVB]

18. Beyond MOE

Good enough everywhere BUT IN THE USA WHEN "*" RUNS.

[Time for change]

19. Kerry won in the final national exit poll by 2.6%

That's 5.4% off of the official vote tally.
In Ohio Kerry won the exit poll by 4.2% -- 6.7% off the official vote tally.
These are large discrepancies. I'm pretty sure there has never been a discrepancy that large in this country between the official vote tally and an exit poll done by experienced pollsters.

[Time for change]

15. I'm certain that some DU members who wanted Kerry to win

as much as we do honestly believe that Bush won. The reason is that for many people (actually by far the majority of people in this country), it is just too difficult to believe that we could have an unfair election.

[RaulVB]

17. Why is that?

Because "American politicians have never done it"?

Or for you is an issue of "faith"?

[Time for change]

20. I'm not talking about me

I said "some DU members", even some that wanted Kerry to win as bad as we did. For them in is an issue of "faith". It's very hard for people to believe certain things. Some would call it "denial", or naivete, which I guess can be the same thing.

[Catamount]

16. Not surprising. n/t