UN Senior Officials Condemn Israel’s Extra-judicial Assassination

[vierundzwanzig]

IOF Kidnap Two Wounded Palestinians From Hospital

26/08/2003


Palestine Media Center – PMC

Senior United Nations envoy for the Middle East, Terje Roed- Larsen, condemned Israel’s extra-judicial assassination on Sunday of four Palestinians in Gaza City stressing that Israel’s security cannot be restored by assassinations.

In a new escalation of the extra-judicial killing of Palestinians, the Israeli Occupation Forces (IOF) killed four Palestinians by helicopter missiles Sunday in Gaza City.

Israeli helicopters fired missiles on Ahmad Rushdi Ishtiwi, aged 24, Waheed Hamid Al Hams, aged 20, Muhammad Kan’an Abu Libdeh, aged 21, Ahmad Muhammad Abu Hlal, aged 23, killing them immediately.

Two bystanders were also injured.

This raid comes two days after the assassination of Ismail Abu Shanab, a senior political leader of Hamas.

Roed- Larsen, the UN Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, reiterated the UN consistent and vocal opposition to such assassinations.

“Israel clearly has a right to live in peace and security,” Roed-Larsen said in a statement, but no country can resort to these extra-judicial measures.

http://www.palestine-pmc.com/details.asp?cat=1&id=1020

[QuietStorm]

1. Where is the international community? The article states,

“The international community should fulfill its moral and legal responsibilities under the Fourth Geneva Convention Relative to the Protection of Civilian Persons in Time of War, of August 12, 1949, and the international human rights law, and bring the Israeli criminals who ordered and perpetrated these crimes to justice,” it emphasized.

THE ARTICLE STATES ALL THESE VIOLATIONS. This is not new news. What are the usual procedures for this. What measures are they to be taken besides this lip service?

I hate to be redundant, again this is not new. And judging from the below articles the UK and the US stand with and behind Israels right to preemptively assassinate, superceding any trial and jury. Not only in the OT's but internationally. Of course on the international front it must take on a less obvious demeanor. I really do hope will not come the day where IOF can exact assassinations in this way anyway in the world it so deems. Just get in up and a helicopter and shoot air to land missiles at designated. I suppose this kind of sloppiness is only relegated to the OT's where all those SO CALLED children and violently inbred people reside.


But getting back the UN or the Geneva convention can bark it all it want. The campaign is condones. Israel seems to have much to offer the world. The US and the UK owe a great deal to Israel, so I can not say they will be be bringing GOI or IOF to justice. How out there would decide to intervene?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=8383&mesg_id=8485&page=

[vierundzwanzig]

2. The Europeans

But so far they have been quite a disappointment and ineffective. They have a number of de facto embargos against Israel in effect, but clearly not enough.

[QuietStorm]

3. and then there is the conflict of interests

I guess, for those European communities that also have or have had or do business with OPEC. Human watch can take a backseat to oil contracts and revenue. The European community has been disappointed. What finally had the world take notice in South Africa. Who stepped in there. I do not know. Do you?

[StandWatie]

4. no one ever really liked South Africa

They were everyone's whipping boy to console their conscience over the slave trade (barring extreme reactionaries in the US who could have cared less and were so scared of a "communist" Africa they would have gladly reinstituted slavery to keep that from happening).

The thing is though Israel is everyone's conscience salve over the Hitlerite Judeocide so even when they implement apartheid they still get a pass.

[QuietStorm]

5. you mean because of guilt?

this all still revolves around WWII doesn't it? And somehow reparation has been paid, more seems now is being requested for Iraqi refugees, but nothing in the way of reparation for the Palestinian refugees?

I really don't understand this. Does israel just not see the irony here and their own denial or is it just convenient not to see it? How is it the interpretion is only harm was done to Israel. This is truly cliche. The once oppressed now oppressing. Once persecuted now persecuting. Once victims now victimizing. How does all this wrath center wholeheartedly and completely around the muslims. Oh yes I know they are islamofasicist who harbored nazi's but so did America. And that is painting with a very broad stroke. I am really lost. The more history I read the more I am at a loss to understand this. Sorry this conflict did not start with the suicide bombings in 1994, nor did it start with the arab uprising just after the Peel commission. There is a blindness I see here that is truly disturbing.

I mean I just don't get it. Not the way I was brought up.

Back to S.Africa someone intervened on Mandella's behalf. There had to have been a broker. I am not familiar with who got the Dutch Authority to negotiate? they just up and decided it would be best?

[StandWatie]

7. Drained by war with Mozambique and Angola

it finally just collapsed under it's own weight which would be Israel's fate without foreign backing.

[QuietStorm]

8. ahhh so it wasn't a question of morality

Mandella just lucked out - eh?

[newyorican]

12. I remember something about sanctions...

bring the SA economy to its knees.

[Forkboy]

6. And here it's applauded

:shrug:

[Herschel]

9. The UN and Israel

This type of thing is to be expected.

[muffit]

11. Why is that

Why can Israel not get along with the other members of the World community ? It sound like Israel thinks they are picked on by the UN, but in reality they have an Strong Veto weilding ally, who negates reprimand the UN would try. They are only picked on by the UN, because of the things that they do.

Helicopter gunships are not the right equipment to go out hunting wanted persons, their missiles have a large collateral damage effect, and it shows a blatant disregard for those innocents around. That is why the international community abhors this behaviour. It is not anti Israeli, it shows a total disregard for the value of innocent human life.

<s>Innocent until proven guilty, who needs due process like that, just wastes time really, just kill them all and let God sort it out. <sarcasm off>

That does seem from an outside ovserver to be the attitude though.

[The Magistrate]

20. The Problem With That Analysis, Sir

Is that these are not questions of criminal violations of civil law in a state of settled peace. They are in practical fact incidents in a war between the peoples of Israel and of Arab Palestine that has endured for more than half a century. There is something dubious about the idea that what amounts to the armed forces of the people of Arab Palestine are subject to the laws of the state of Israel; certainly most people would consider the idea that members of the Israeli armed forces were subject to the criminal jurisdiction of the Palestine Authority a rather jarring expression.

As these things are in fact incidents of war, the whole baggage of "extra-judicial" and "due-process" and even "presumption of innocence" lack any relevance: none of these things things apply to acts of war, only the distinction between combatant and non-combatant has any meaning in that context.

[Kbowe]

10. "Extra-judicial?"

How about outright terrorism?

[The Magistrate]

13. Co-Ordinator Roed-Larsen Displays A Charming Naivite

"Israel clearly has a right to live in peace in security...."

As is commonly said, there is no right without a remedy, by which when violated it can be vindicated. It would be interesting to learn his prescription for dealing with Hamas.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

14. I missed it...

someone fill me in on what Terje Roed-Larsen said about the slaughter of babies on a bus?...

now that the UN has passed a resolution about intentionally attacking peacekeeping personnel being a war crime, maybe they'll get to the babies...

[chapter32]

16. Sure, I'll be glad to fill you in ...

Terje Roed-Larsen condemns these attack as "a horrible act of terrorism" and "a cynical act of pre-meditated murder and nothing else."

http://english.peopledaily.com.cn/200303/06/eng20030306_112783.shtml

[drdon326]

18. *yawn*

"UN Middle East envoy Terje Roed-Larsen condemned the attack as "a horrible act of terrorism" and "a cynical act of pre-meditated murder and nothing else."

the usual obligatory denunciation of the act AND NOT THE PEOPLE
COMMITTING THIS ATROCITY.I suspect if it was his family member
blown to shreds it would be a whole lot different.

[cantwealljustgetalong]

19. thank you for the fill in...

it is comforting that Terje, along with Prez Bush, Chair Arafat, and a host of other political cartoon characters issued their standard condemnations of baby killing...

i feel much better now, more importantly, the dead babies are probably grateful Terje was moved to comment...

how are the resolutions coming along?...

[Jim Sagle]

15. Isn't Roed-Larsen the worthless sumbitch who

hyped the bogus Jenin massacre?

[drdon326]

17. I believe....

that is the same worthless sumbitch.