Palestinian gunmen fire at central Gaza IDF post

[drdon326]

Palestinian gunmen fired towards an IDF post by the settlement of Kfar Darom in the central Gaza Strip. No one was wounded and no damage was caused.

The soldiers responded with gunfire.

Late Saturday night in two separate incidents, an anti-tank missile and mortar shells were fired towards two IDF posts in Gush Katif. No one was wounded in the attacks.

Sunday morning Palestinian security forces extended their deployment to the southern Gaza Strip, coordinated with the IDF.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1106450583157&p=1078397702269

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[drdon326]

2. Tell you what I do know., Indy......

I do know its pisses me off royally when you have the balls to dare compare israelis to nazis.

"Never again!" does not mean doing unto others what the Nazis did to us, drdon. Israel's occupation is as immoral and evil as the German occupation of Europe, and if some of the most radical Zionists take over in Jerusalem, genocide will not be far behind. You know that as well as I do!




Your vile implication that the Jews have turned into nazis does two things. Its an outrageous lie about this conflict, reversing who is victim and who is victimiser. It is not the israelis who have a program to eradicate their enemy. And who wants to ethnically cleanse and commit genocide? Perhaps your fading memory forgets 48,67 and 73 and the hamas convenant not to mention the endless pa incitement against jews existence let alone the pa paying and supporting terrorists to murder jews. To imply they are nazis is beyond mind-numbing.

And worse than than that your POST (I SAID POST) DISGRACES THE MEMORY OF those who died in the holocaust.

I am ashamed and disgusted to read what you wrote.

Shame on that.



mods i did NOT attack the poster but attacked what i feel is disgusting content of the post.

[IndianaGreen]

3. Are you saying that the occupier is now the victim?

Your vile implication that the Jews have turned into nazis does two things. Its an outrageous lie about this conflict, reversing who is victim and who is victimiser.

Then by all means end the Occupation and the victimization will end!

It is not the israelis who have a program to eradicate their enemy. And who wants to ethnically cleanse and commit genocide?

You should have watched the recent C-SPAN broadcast of the American Friends of Likud when they had former Israeli Ambassador to the UN Dore Gold. Ambassador Gold was quite explicit in that the Likud, with the blessings of the Bush Administration, had no intentions of ever returning to the 1967 borders. Isn't that a prescription for ethnic cleansing and genocide?

[drdon326]

31. Really?......wow !!

Then by all means end the Occupation and the victimization will end!

ya think so , huh?? Keep dreamin.

Big Dore Gold fan, huh?

The U.N. at Work
The world body gives financial support to Hamas

In 2003 and 2004, the Israel Defense Forces captured documentation showing how the U.N. Development Program was regularly funding two Hamas front organizations: the Tulkarm Charity Committee and the Jenin District Committee for Charitable Funds. The donations varied--sometimes $4,000 and sometimes $10,000. Receipts and even copies of thank-you notes to UNDP were discovered. The U.N. should have exercised considerable caution with transfers of this sort, considering that in 2002, Yasser Arafat's Fatah movement described Jenin as "the capital of the suicide bombers." Nonetheless, one might ask, how was the U.N. to know that these were actually Hamas front groups?

Here's how: In June 2003, the Office of the Coordinator of the Activities of the Israel Defense Forces in the West Bank and Gaza Strip asked UNDP to stop all assistance to the Jenin District Committee because of its Hamas connection. Israel knew that Hamas operatives ran the charity; its deputy director had been a member of the Izz ad-Din al-Qassam Brigades, the elite terrorist unit of Hamas. Timothy Rothermel, UNDP's special representative in Jerusalem, turned down the Israeli request.

Another disturbing revelation from captured documents is the support provided by the U.N. Relief and Works Agency for the "Koran and Sunna Society" of Kalkilya. UNRWA has been heavily penetrated by Hamas for years; Hamas members dominate many of its unions, including the teachers union. But this new link represented a further deterioration in the U.N.'s connections, for the "Koran and Sunna Society" defines itself as salafi--it adopts doctrines from militant Islam. Indeed, the "Koran and Sunna Society," which has six branches in the West Bank, distributes pamphlets published in Saudi Arabia that are often written by radical Wahhabi clerics. References to the value of martyrdom and jihad are not uncommon in these materials. One of the Society's schools, called "The Martyrs of the Al-Aqsa Intifada," received payments from UNRWA for educating children of Palestinian refugees in March and June of 2004.

This glaringly bad judgment by U.N. agencies is not confined to the West Bank and Gaza. In October 2004, the "Arab International Forum for Rehabilitation and Development in the Occupied Palestinian Territory" held a conference in Beirut under the auspices of the U.N.'s Economic and Social Commission for Western Asia (ESCWA). The conference announced a joint initiative between ESCWA and the "Coalition of Goodness," an organization led by a spiritual head of the Muslim Brotherhood, Sheikh Yusuf Qaradhawi. This U.N. partner, a year earlier, appeared in Sweden and spoke in favor of suicide operations against Israeli civilians. And two months before the Beirut conference, he signed a communiqué calling on Muslims to support the forces fighting the U.S. in Iraq.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110006194

[QueerJustice]

4. thats truly a terrible comparasin...

especially at this time in history coming up to the 60Th anniversary of the liberation of Auscwitz.....

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[justy329]

6. The major, major, major difference is

there never was a "Palestine" to occupate. The use of the term "Palestinian" for an Arab ethnic group is a modern political creation which has no basis in fact - and had never had any international or academic credibility before 1967.

The UN legally gave the Jews their rightful homeland in 1948, more than 30 years after the Balfour Decleration that held that the Jews are the rightful owners of the country now known as Israel.

Is it Israel that set up an orginization to drive all arabs from their countries? No, no, no. It was the PLO that was set up with the sole intention of destroying Israel.

[IndianaGreen]

7. Funny how both sides in the I/P conflict portray themselves as victims

and the other side as the terrorist. The point is that neither side has shown any inclination to give up their goal of total victory by eliminating the other. Both claim to have G_d on their side. Both claim that G_d gave them the land.

Both sides have ignored the United Nations! The Arabs when they moved to destroy the fledging Jewish state in 1948, the Israelis when they decided to keep the land they took in 1967.

Let us recognize the obvious, Oslo and the Roadmap are both dead. Not even Jesus can resurrect these two corpses! The other obvious fact is that Israel is not going to go away, so the Arabs should stop their decades old campaign of hatred and suck it up!

Since this conflict has international repercussions, it falls on the international community to settle this conflict by redrawing borders. This means a new Israel which probably would be larger than it was in 1967. This also means that population transfer, as it happened when India was partitioned from Pakistan, is a painful but necessary element. Both sides will lose, and neither side will win! Losers will be compensated for all their losses as well as all the pain and suffering they endured. War criminals should be tried in a court of law, and that includes terrorists from both sides.

And we move on!

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[Djinn]

9. well IRaq is also a modern political creation

as is Israel (modern being a faitrly relative term) what's THAT got to do with anything?

Iraq was invented by the Brits and had no basis in logic given the different ethnic/cultural and religious groups in that country.

The whole "Palestine isn't really a place" is such a fucking stupid argument

"Is it Israel that set up an orginization to drive all arabs from their countries? No, no, no. It was the PLO that was set up with the sole intention of destroying Israel."

Israel now occupies FAR more than was "given" by the UN - the thing is though it's not up to the UN to "give" away someone elses land. If the UN decides to compensate some Iraqi's for the destruction of the country and offers them say Florida do you think it'd cause some angst? Also why do you think so many Arabs fled what had become Israel? why did they leave behind their entire lives, homes, business', family - just a whim? or d'you think perhaps the Nakba had something to do with it. Do you think the ongoing brutal attacks of the Zionist terror groups opertaing at the time may have pushed people out? Do you think the crap about a "land withoput people" sounded like the speaker intended to play nice with the current occupants?

Also nice to see that after a month nothing has changed here - drdon what was the point of posting this article? surely it's on par with "Sky still blue"?

[QueerJustice]

8. its just too disgusting to even answer...

:puke:

[IndianaGreen]

10. It's the Occupation that is disgusting

Why do some American Jews fall for the Likud propaganda that Israel is in peril if she gives up one inch of the land taken in 1967?

[justy329]

12. IT IS NOT AN OCCUPATION FOR CRYING OUT LOUD n/t

[Djinn]

13. wtf would you call it then???

a case of bad house guests overstaying the welcome?

[justy329]

15. I would call it the nation of Israel.

The land that you consider to be "occupied" is an internationally recognized nation known as Israel.

[IndianaGreen]

17. By that standard, Iraq would be the 51st state!

The "Greater Israel" is a pipe dream of the Religious Right in Israel and in America. Referring to land as Judea and Samaria, as the Likud politicians love to do, does not change the fact that the West Bank is occupied land.

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[Scurrilous]

14. Not an occupation?

http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/05/26/mideast/

Sharon: 'Occupation' terrible for Israel, Palestinians

"Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon appears to be urging Israelis to accept giving up land for peace and advocating an end to what he called "occupation."

"You cannot like the word, but what is happening is an occupation -- to hold 3.5 million Palestinians under occupation. I believe that is a terrible thing for Israel and for the Palestinians," he said Monday.

Those were stunning words from the longtime hawk and backer of Jewish settlements in the West Bank and Gaza."

[justy329]

16. the previous poster made it out like the whole nation

is occupied.

Your article refers to small, specific tracts of land that are considered occupied.

[Djinn]

19. don't know whether you're referring to me or Indy

but no-one "made out" what you said.

Indy said the occupation was disgusting - you asid there was no occupation.

If YOU hear "israel" when people are talking about the OT then perhaps some contemplation of your bias may be worthwhile

[justy329]

20. I was refering to Indy.

Indy was the one who first used the words, "occupation"

BTW, the link in your signature does not work. }(

[Djinn]

21. and it IS an occupation

so what's the problem? Indy doesn't like the occupation he never said that Israel in it's entirity was occupied territory.

As for the sig - been away for a month or so, the page probably doesn't exist anymore - thanx for letting me know, may reduce it to just David Hicks - Mr Habib is apparently going to be released and will return to Australia....

[justy329]

22. Very childish argument

I say it's not- you say it is.

as for your sig- thanks for the update and I am so glad to hear that Mr. Habib will be released

[Djinn]

23. well what DO you call

the OT - the entire world calls it occupied, what do you call it? Do you think that all of it up to Jordan is Israel?

Or do you use the furphy that it's "disputed" territory, if that's the case, what is in dispute? where do YOU beleive the borders of Israel are/should be?

As for Habib - it's good news he'll be coming out (no word on exactly when) but he'll receive no compensation for having been held for three years, sent to Egypt, tortured and told his family was dead. He'll also most likely be a pariah in Australia - our government has repeatedly said he is guilty of terrorism and had personal knowledge of the 9/11 attacks, he's unlikely to be left in piece with his family.

[Darranar]

27. An alternative argument...

There are two possibilities: either the West Bank and Gaza are part of Israel, or they're not.

If they are, then Israel is a blatantly racist state, since the Palestinians living in the West Bank and Gaza can't vote.

If they're not, then it is occupation.

Take your pick.

[Darranar]

26. She specifically referred to the land taken in 1967. n/t

[Darranar]

25. So what is it?

An annexation?

[QueerJustice]

24. no comparing Israel and Jews...

to you know what (I cant even say it ) is beyond the pale....


:puke: :puke: :puke:

[IndianaGreen]

28. And guess who liberated Auschwitz? The Red Army, that's who!

While our glorious United States of America did nothing to stop the murders they knew were taking place. Reconnaissance photos clearly showed the gas chambers, the crematoria, and prisoners being led to them, yet the US deemed Auschwitz to have no military value, so we did not bomb it as we should have.

[QueerJustice]

29. so whats that got to do with your...

repugnant comparasin?

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[newyorican]

32. From the realm of obvious news....

resistance shoots at occupying forces, wow, who would've thunk it...

[QueerJustice]

33. ?

?

[Violet_Crumble]

34. Try thinking about it for a second...

..or a minute or however long it takes to grasp the bleeding obvious...

Violet...

[QueerJustice]

35. switched tag team partners?

[Violet_Crumble]

36. I should have stressed the word 'think'...

understanding doesn't come without that vital element, though for some it's a very elusive and unwelcome element...


wtf is this tag team crap about anyway? This isn't the first time you've posted it..

Violet...