Israel to 'pray for failure'

[newyorican]

Jerusalem - Israeli rabbis were planning on Sunday to hold special sessions in 100 synagogues to pray for the failure of this week's summit between prime minister Ariel Sharon and new Palestinian leader Mahmud Abbas.

The prayer sessions on Monday will also call for divine intervention against Sharon's plan to pull settlers out of the Gaza Strip and small parts of the northern West Bank later this year.

Read more foolishness here...

[eyl]

1. I fail to see, anywhere in that article,

any connection to an official or nonoffical government body (other than someone who was Chief Sepharadic Rabbi two decades ago), or to a statewide phenomenon (100 synagouges, even if they actually pull it off, isn't that many) as is implied by your header "Israel to 'pray for failure'"

[pelsar]

2. eyl.....

is it just me.....or when you read these kind of posts do you wonder why the "manipulation"..I have been acused of "twisting words" on here when all believe I am doing is placing the text into context, comparing......

[Violet_Crumble]

4. pelsar...

Why would one of those Rabbis be interviewed on army radio? Are those sort of folk interviewed for the entertainment value or was he trying to gain some support from the troops? What I thought when I read the article was that if this had been a Palestinian religious extremist speaking on Palestinian radio, it would have been labelled by some here as incitement and racial hatred, and it would have been classified as something done by the Palestinians, regardless of whether or not there was any official govt involvement...

Violet...

[IndianaGreen]

5. Ask yourselves who owns the Israeli media

and you will find the names of many American neocons. They all have an agenda and that's what they are pushing.

Now that the Jerusalem Post is up for sale, I wonder if Rupert Murdoch will buy the old Conrad Black property.

[tjwmason]

6. I thought that the J.P. was part of the Telegraph group

As the major competitor of The Daily Telegraph is The Times, the British gov't won't allow Murdoch to own both.

It would be possible to separate the J.P. from the rest of the group, but it would be easier to sell them all together.

[IndianaGreen]

13. Hollinger is putting up some of its newspapers for sale

and that includes the Jerusalem Post. Whether Murdoch or Rev. Moon buys it, it is almost certain that the rightwing will want to keep JP's current ideological bent.

[tjwmason]

15. They're all in the same group

Which is 'The Telegraph Group'; the largest paper of which is 'The Daily Telegraph', this will no be sold to Murdoch as the British government will not allow him to own the top 2 highest selling broadsheets in the country.

Unless Hollinger decides to split the group up (which I have not heard mentioned as a possibility), the Jerusalem Post will go to whoever get the rest of The Telegraph Group.

I haven't heard Moon mentioned with regard to it either (thank goodness), and the most likely options all seem to be British owners.

[tinnypriv]

9. "Are those sort of folk interviewed for entertainment value"

You should note that NRG Ma'ariv recently had Moshe Feiglin in for a nice internet chat in their offices. This is the guy who hates Sharon with a passion, has a known terrorist in his organisation, basically wants to turn Israel into Iran....

[newyorican]

8. It is not "manipulation"...

to post reported news stories.

[Djinn]

14. no pelsar

you've referred to "these posts" manipulating the issue when it's the TITLE of the piece and NOT the posts that you appaerntly have a problem with so p'raps an apology to the OP for implying she(he?) was twisting anything at all

you accused me of excusing torture because I said that ALL guerilla/rebel (whatever name you wanna use) movements kill colloborators and that I found the selective outrage hypocritical.

According to YOU I "excused" torture THAT is why people accuse you of twisting words - how 'bout you stop doing it instead of crying about it in other threads

[pelsar]

18. djnn....

actually when it became clear that the title was from the orginal article...I apologised for the accusation....it clearly (to me) is manipulative as its simply not true.

My general comment about posts that follow such articles are that, sometimes when the basis is not true, nothing positive can come out of the rest...and I find no reason for such manipulation in a serious discussion. I guess those kind of titles simply piss me off, since they are simply a form of "demonization".

________________________________

on a more personal note, its clear you didnt understand what confused me-this is a 'logic sequence, so here goes:

.....your initial sentence of placing the israeli officer who killed the 13 yr old (and who was arrested) with the fatah members that tortured the palestenian within the same sentence suggests very strongly that they are one and the same in terms of morality.

Getting no response from you as to why, I simply continued the logic (within my head) to how I interpered it. And though I am but one person, like I mentioned I am a credible representative of many, hence I (and am still) interested in the connection.....If I was twisting your words, it was not intentional, I didnt nor do I still understand the how the two incidents can be placed as if they are on the same moral plane.

I dont believe I ever acused you of excusing torture, nor did it ever occur to me to even accuse of it.....and if that is how you interperted what I wrote than I either wasnt clear enough or what seems to be quite common, are misunderstandings.....

[Djinn]

20. crap

you said I excused torture - that's not a misunderstanding it's a blatant lie

[newyorican]

7. It's not my header...

but it is the actual title of the article.

Your complaint is with the editors.

[pelsar]

10. newyorican...

fair enough...news organizations do their best to scream out anything to get attention.....

as far as interviewing those nuts....news is news, the news programs interview jihanikim (the favorite of the israeli tv channels is the leader in jenin) as well as any extremists-they make good news

the only time we scream racial incitiment is when its israelis saying moronic things, the palestenians interviewed are usually quite polite, and when they say their own moronic things...we dont feel 'responsable"....we are after all in a kinda war.

[newyorican]

11. Ever heard of MEMRI?

...

[Lithos]

23. Memri is one

Arutz7 is another at times. However, this is not a thing which limits itself to one side or the other.

L-

[eyl]

16. fair enough

didn't notice

[mutus_frutex]

12. To me this is nothing more than a typical example of

religious extremism. Just that.

This is what happens when religion gets mixed into politics, be it islam, chistianity or judaism. To me there is no difference between mullahs, rabbis, priests and preachers..

[pelsar]

17. same bunch..

what I find ironic is that they all look the same as well..(its that 'bibical look thing-guess its in fashion with the religious extremists)

best part is, if you listen to their words...these guys are all interchangeable

[Lithos]

21. eyl

The subject header is the title of the article and required by I/P guidelines. It remains the best we can do to avoid the over-sensationalism which you so commented about. If you wish to critique the actual title, please address them to the editors of News24.

However, that said, I do agree the title is misleading for the reasons you cite and actually the group being talked about shoulds like a small minority.

L-

[eyl]

24. As I said

I didn't notice it was the title of the article, and noted so later.

[IndianaGreen]

3. This reminds me of our own MSM when the issue of gay rights comes up

they always have a spokesman for the Christian anti-gay side which invariably turns out to be the most extreme rightwing point of view. Jerry Falwell is no more representative of Christianity than a bunch of ultra-Zionist rabbis are representative of Judaism.

[Lithos]

22. Good analogy

Even truer when you talk about Faux news.

L-

[Coastie for Truth]

19. Always The Pessimist

My Kenesset ("Peace Now") candidate relatives told me that the temple in French Hill (just off of the Mt Scopus Hebrew Univ campus) had a special prayer for peace.

We had a special prayer for peace at Beyt Tikkun Temple in Berkeley CA, and a community wide prayer for peace in Palo Alto, CA.

We called for divine intervention for Peace - God's most precious gift.

The "Prayer for Peace" is part of the regular liturgy.

If I ever go to the temples where these apikorat rabbis officiate - I will not step up for Aliyah, I will remove my hat, I will not put on a Tallit or Tefillah. They are apikorat.