Things about the ME situation that make you go "hmmmmmm"

[hector459]

http://english.aljazeera.net/NR/exeres/0447EAD8-3744-44DB-86B2-9135A36AFF4A.htm

It used to be Arafat that was blamed for everything. Now, I guess it will be Syria. Instead of dealing with the issue of the occupation, Israel continues to play the blame game and it seems so strange to me that everytime they get near to a resolution something happens INSIDE Israel to thwart attempts at peace. INSIDE---the most highly secured nation on earth. Doesn't that make anyone else wonder?

[disillusioned1]

1. Hush

that's hate speech.

[hector459]

3. Huh? Please explain. I don't do "hate speech."

This is about as obvious as everytime Bush gets into trouble or one of his administration, some Republican will bring up Clinton or something Clinton did or issue another terroist alert.

[pelsar]

6. not hate speach

its just the usual rant of blaming israel....it doesnt matter how absurd, or how bizarre, some of it sticks...its a variation on the globbals theory of telling a lie long and loud enough eventually it will be believed.

hey i got some really fresh young palestenian blood for sale for those jews who want to make some "kosher" matzos for passover...anybody interested?

[RBHam]

2. Fear and loathing on the Planet Terra...

The Second Coming
WB Yeats

Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer;
Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold;
Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world,
The blood-dimmed tide is loosed, and everywhere
The ceremony of innocence is drowned;
The best lack all conviction, while the worst
Are full of passionate intensity.

Surely some revelation is at hand;
Surely the Second Coming is at hand.
The Second Coming! Hardly are those words out
When a vast image out of Spiritus Mundi
Troubles my sight: somewhere in sands of the desert
A shape with lion body and the head of a man,
A gaze blank and pitiless as the sun,
Is moving its slow thighs, while all about it
Reel shadows of the indignant desert birds.
The darkness drops again; but now I know
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
Were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

[Coastie for Truth]

4. So, al jazeera is postulating---

1. The terrorist attacks are Israelis killing (directly or through proxies) Israelis to thwart the peace process.

2. Israel's security is so effective that the terrorist attacks on Israelis had to be with Israeli connivance.

I can distinguish between fake terror alerts as per Tom Ridge and company. and killing one's fellow citizens.

Same logic that the Neo-Cons knew about 9-11 in advance and did absolutely nothing to stop it; same logic that the Israeli house movers in Brooklyn - or was it Hoboken -- knew about 9-11 in advance and told their friends not to show up for work on 9-11. Same logic that the Chinese house movers in Alameda - or was the produce manager at Ranch 99 - knew about Wen Ho Lee's alleged espionage at Lawrence-Livermore Lab.

Let me analyze - the "source" is al jazeera. And, when I was in college we used "Argonauts of the Western Pacific" by Bronislaw Malinowski in a "pre-semester" seminar to study critical analysis of sources and the historical method.

[Darranar]

5. Al-Jazeera is postulating nothing of the sort. Read the article...

“We think that the Israeli defence minister’s comments show that he knows the identity of the real perpetrator and that he is to be found inside Israel,” he said.

He - a "Syrian foreign ministry official" - postulated it, not al-Jazeera.

[Coastie for Truth]

7. I beg to politely disagree

To quote al jazeera:

"Syria has no connection with this operation and the Damascus office of Islamic Jihad is closed," a Syrian Foreign Ministry official said.

"We think that the Israeli defence minister's comments show that he knows the identity of the real perpetrator and that he is to be found inside Israel.

The official added, "Israel is known around the world for sabotaging any peace process."

So, al jazeera quotes an unnamed "Syrian Foreign Ministry official" as saying:

1. "Syria has no connection with this operation" and
2. "the Damascus office of Islamic Jihad is closed" and
3. "the Israeli defence minister's comments show that he knows the identity of the real perpetrator" and
4. "he (the real perpetrator) is to be found inside Israel."

I will accept that "an unnamed "Syrian Foreign Ministry official" made the statement -- kind of a Syrian Scottie McClellan or s Syrian Jim Guckert?

Does that make it true?

Does that provide sufficient factual basis for the statement

"Israel continues to play the blame game and it seems so strange to me that everytime they get near to a resolution something happens INSIDE Israel to thwart attempts at peace. INSIDE---the most highly secured nation on earth. Doesn't that make anyone else wonder?"

You have not convinced me - I stand by my original post (Post 4, http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x87233#87238) and repeat with the addition of "attributed to an unnamed "Syrian Foreign Ministry official"

"Let me analyze - the "source" is al jazeera attributed to an unnamed Syrian Foreign Ministry official. And, when I was in college we used "Argonauts of the Western Pacific" by Bronislaw Malinowski in a "pre-semester" seminar to study critical analysis of sources and the historical method."

You have not persuaded me -- and the attribution by al jazeera to "an unnamed Syrian Foreign Ministry official" (as in a Syrian version of Scottie McClellan or Jim Guckert) is even less convincing then it was yesterday.

[Darranar]

8. I was not disagreeing with your main point...

I highly doubt Israel perpentrated this. There is no real evidence to suggest that it is so, and it would have been a stupid move on Sharon's part - as I am sure he is aware. It makes his right flank more of an obstacle.

I was defending the article, not the argument.

[Coastie for Truth]

9. I am glad you clarified.