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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:55 PM
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UK Diplomats meet Hamas
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 06:32 PM by bennywhale
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:57 PM
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1. Getting an error message.
Something is wrong with the link. Is there another one? Thanks.
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 05:58 PM
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2. Updated message. Does it work now?
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:06 PM
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3. NO! :(
It just gave a list of stories and I didn't see the one you are referring to...I will look around. Thanks for trying! :)
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:24 PM
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4. Thats strange i've just tried it and it took me straight there.
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 02:04 AM
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11. You don't have PM up, so....
...I really wanted to thank you. I really wasn't being difficult, I just kept getting error messages. You went the extra distance, and I appreciate it! :toast:
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bennywhale Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 06:30 PM
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5. Another Link
Edited on Tue Jun-07-05 06:31 PM by bennywhale
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Behind the Aegis Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:01 PM
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6. Thank you, thank you, thank you!
The last link worked!!! I appreciate your finding it for me...I was about to leave and was to lazy to search myself! :)
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Lithos Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 12:14 AM
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9. Thanks bennywhale
:)
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cal04 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 09:06 PM
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7. Israeli fury as Straw admits Britain has held talks with Hamas
Israel has urged Jack Straw, the Foreign Secretary, to maintain the boycott on Hamas after he admitted publicly for the first time that British diplomats had met elected local officials affiliated to the faction.

After arriving here for talks with Israeli and Palestinian ministers last night, Mr Straw was at pains to make it clear that the loosening of the ban on contacts did not apply to the Hamas leadership or to individual members associated with militant actions by the faction's armed wing.

Since local elections in January, the British government and others in the EU have agreed that their diplomats can make the usual calls on mayors and other elected officials which in the past they would have made on their Fatah Party counterparts. Hamas made significant gains in two rounds of council elections at the expense of Fatah.

The contacts include a meeting between middle-ranking British diplomats and Mohammed al-Masri, the acting mayor of Qalkilya, the West Bank village where Hamas took all 15 council seats. The mayor himself, Wajia Nazal, is in an Israeli prison under administrative detention.

http://news.independent.co.uk/world/middle_east/story.jsp?story=645055
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newyorican Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jun-07-05 10:01 PM
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8. You make peace with your enemies...
not your friends.

Makes perfect sense that members of the resistance (distasteful as they may be) will be prominent in the leadership of any nascent Palestinian state. Israel need look no further than their own history in that regard.

It should also be noted that Israeli militants/terrorists/resistance/gangs did not disperse until after the creation of Israel. In some cases they reinvented/renamed themselves rather than disperse.
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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 01:40 AM
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10. the PA
the PA is the representative of the palestenians....not the jihadnikim. Talking to anybody else weakens the the PA and further promots their own civil war by increasing recruitment to the jihadnikim and shows that they have their own "foreign policy" as they are accepted by England as reps of the palestenians

and btw way in S.Gaza they have taken over.....the PA is not there.....

its simply dumb..and will undoubtly just increase the violence within the PA as well as with israel as they seek to prove that they control the situation not the PA.

promots peace?....Hah......more like promotes further violence......dumb dumb and dumber
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Englander Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 05:24 AM
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12. Guardian Editorial;
'Part of the solution too?

Leader
Wednesday June 8, 2005
The Guardian

The emergence of Hamas as a central political player in the Palestinian territories is a development which nobody can any longer seriously deny. That is why the sparring yesterday between the British foreign secretary and Israeli officials over British contacts with recently elected Hamas mayors was two-faced on both sides: on the Israeli side because their own security people are already dealing with the Hamas mayors on a range of practical matters, and on the British side because the argument for the inclusion of Hamas in the broad political equation in the territories has been gaining ground in British and European Union policy discussions for some time.

Jack Straw made a point of saying, shortly after arriving for a two-day visit to Israel, that Britain will not talk to the top Hamas leadership until they abandon violence. The truth is that everyone knows that armed movements never cleanly or swiftly make the transition to a purely political role or completely renounce their original objectives. Hamas has moved to the point where it has supported a ceasefire which has brought relative calm in recent months, and it has shifted ground ideologically toward an acceptance of Israel's existence as a practical reality. But it is unlikely ever to formally go the whole way, to divest itself entirely of its weapons, or to give up its right to fight.

Yet no settlement with the Israelis is possible without at least the acquiescence of Hamas, which is why Mahmoud Abbas, like his predecessor, has sought to bring them into the political process. The Israelis know this too, at least as far as the planned disengagement from Gaza is concerned. After that it gets murkier. With Hamas in the background or even at his side, if it should come into his cabinet after elections later this year, Mr Abbas could never accept less than was offered to Yasser Arafat in a West Bank settlement. Hamas, in other words, is a guarantee that a settlement, if it came, would be about the whole West Bank, give or take a few agreed swaps.

The suspicion must be that the real Israeli objections to Hamas are not that it is a terrorist organisation or that they do not trust its reformulations on Israel's right to exist, although anxiety on both scores is understandable. If Ariel Sharon does not want a West Bank settlement worthy of the name he may see Hamas as the most formidable obstacle to imposing one that is manifestly unfair. That it would also constitute an excuse for refusing serious negotiations suggests that statements about Hamas will continue to need careful decoding.'

http://www.guardian.co.uk/leaders/story/0,3604,1501434,00.html



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pelsar Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jun-08-05 07:42 AM
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13. hamas.....
as far as the "world is concerned" the PA is the responsable body. Whether they decide or rather how they engage the Hamas is up to the PA, not England, nor the the US nor Israel.

I doubt very much that those in England understand the various complex relationships that the Hamas has with the PA....The PA is the responsable body for making policy, encouraging the Hamas by telling the PA that they are NOT the sole body for making policy is dumb.....
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