London flirts with appeasement by Amir Taheri

[drdon326]

As Britain tries to absorb the shock of 7/7, some voices are urging what would amount to the appeasement of the terrorists.

Experience, however, shows that the appeaser becomes a more attractive target for the terrorists. The appeased terrorist concludes that, having won a battle, he should press for victory in his war against a weakened adversary. Appeasing terrorists was tried by French president Franois Mitterrand in the 1980s, and made France the most-targeted Western country for a decade.

Mitterrand launched his appeasement weeks after becoming president in 1981. He released all the 31 convicted terrorists in French prisons and lifted the ban on pro-terrorist publications and illegal radio stations. He also abolished the State Security Court, set up to deal with terrorism, describing it as a Nazi-style outfit. He let the Basque terrorists of ETA use French territory as a base against Spain and allowed various Palestinian groups and the Irish Republican Army (IRA) to operate in Paris.

Mitterrand feted Yasser Arafat, then regarded as the godfather of terror, and traveled to Cyprus to court Libya's dictator Muammar Gaddafi, the principal paymaster of international terror at the time. Mitterrand's appeasement included the Khomeinist regime in Teheran and led to an exchange of ambassadors and high-level contacts.

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?pagename=JPost/JPArticle/ShowFull&cid=1121825993169

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Ya gotta love the way the French kissed arafat's a$$ all those years.

[jobycom]

1. Bullshit

Reagan tried the Rambo approach and got a Pan Am 747 blown out of the sky over Lockerbie, Scotland for it. Bush has tried to be Rambo, and terrorist attacks have doubled since he began his "war."

And refusing to support a bloodthirsty madman like Bush isn't appeasement of Bush's enemies, it's common sense. Blair has been appeasing Bush the way Chamberlain appeased Hitler, and it's got England nothing but bombed.

[johannes1984]

2. I'm afraid that's not ass kissing ,dear chum

it's called balanced diplomacy .

[drdon326]

3. LOL

You can put lipstick on a pig and call it Monique, but its still a pig.

[johannes1984]

9. You might do that

but you would have little reason to do so .Negotiating with arafat was of interest because it was a group necessary to facilitate bringing peace .No other entity could better serve the palestinian people at that time , and still not .You might call him a pig , but Sharon his contemporary likemind killed a shitload more at shabraa and shatila .And that does not deter us to accept the fact he is righteous leader of his people .We live in the world of now , we get our information about the world of now .We do not merely sit by idly as the number of civilian casualities rises .

True France and the european nations are just as much to blame both for sins commited , and sins not prevented ,yet in this case we did not judged one where we did not judge the other

So call him a pig , put lipstick on that pig , for all i care go make sweet love to that pig ,which would be animal cruelty i might add .But do not believe that it is in your best interest to judge on some because they are not within the temporary sphere of allegiance , whilst forgoing on that same judgement on others , for they might be cruel and unjust beyond the mind of you or yours truly ,but they're who hold the cards .

I'm sure you feel much more secure now Hamas is vying for power .

to sum up yours truly admits he is probably a pig , but not in the world of negotiating the faith of peoples .Not merely because it is convenient , but because it would be judging whilst forgoing on one of the first premisses of law , the commutative .

Yet.....i might always be wrong

[Lexingtonian]

4. ETA and the IRA have diminished/vanished

as the political problems they were rooted in have diminished. Essentially zero correlation with all the efforts to fight them.

Statistics show that fighting terrorists violently ups their counterattacks.

BTW, quoting that Likudnik propaganda rag The Jerusalem Post doesn't help your cause. As for bad French behavior, we do remember how the State of Israel joined them in that crime called the 1956 Suez War. And if you haven't forgotten, the French helped the SoI build the Dimona reactor and probably let the Israelis steal the uranium ore that ended up being used there. Not to mention sold them all the Mirage fighters and such that the Kfir fighter is a ripoff of.

I dunno, I suspect Israel Supporter anger toward France to be the sort of the emotion that mafia lieutenants have when one switches sides in a gang war. It's all so...moral.... :sarcasm:

[pelsar]

6. more israeli crimes......

yes, the french sold us mirages that we used in the crime call the 6 day war..we stole ships that the Frence wouldnt transfer to us even after we paid for them....we designed a fighter based on the frence mirage (thats a crime?).....we stole an egyptian radar as well....

enough of the "israel is the evil country" syndrom now and back to terrorism....first you kill them and then you kill their manufacturers, then after they realize its not going to work, then they may be willing to sit down an talk. The "root causes" are nothing more than mere brainwashing. There is no intrinsic "root cause" the must result in the war crimes of targeting of civilians known as terrorism.

Over the years people have had their lives trampled, occupied etc and terrorism on todays scale didnt exist....its simply "caught on" and for all of those pseudo down trodden people , who live middle class lives in western democracies....they have no "root causes"..they are simply useful fools for others who simply want to destroy the west...or at least thats what they keep saying.

of course there are others.....those who travel across the globe just to kill muslim iraqis...but they may be less educated but they also fit the "useful fool" syndrom. For them, there is no disucssion, they're simply cannon fodder. Ah but their handlers, sitting pretty in Saudi Arabia....why should they talk to you?

[Lexingtonian]

10. nice occultism

Yeah, yeah, we know it's all a Manichaean battle, your boys are the Forces of Light and the Terrorists are the Forces of Darkness.

The problem with occultism, which is a theology of where God= Death resorted to by defeated and destroyed peoples, is that it disconnects from reality. The dying and those desiring consider that OK. It's us the living that consider it foolish, useless, and a violation of the commandments and such against idolatry. (Remember Moloch?) The Israeli version is as immoralist as the Palestinian version, which raises interesting questions about .

yes, the french sold us mirages that we used in the crime call the 6 day war..we stole ships that the Frence wouldnt transfer to us even after we paid for them....we designed a fighter based on the french mirage (thats a crime?).....we stole an egyptian radar as well....

I guess you can't actually defend the things I pointed out.

And I thought much of the point and value of Jewish tradition has to do with the ability to draw and articulate careful moral distinctions, and the ability to distinguish what is important and relevant from what is not.

enough of the "israel is the evil country" syndrome now and back to terrorism....first you kill them and then you kill their manufacturers, then after they realize its not going to work, then they may be willing to sit down an talk. The "root causes" are nothing more than mere brainwashing. There is no intrinsic "root cause" the must result in the war crimes of targeting of civilians known as terrorism.

Exactly why it's always magic or insanity on the part of other people you don't explain. For some reason, those are always the excuses criminals give in court when they are caught redhanded.

Over the years people have had their lives trampled, occupied etc and terrorism on todays scale didnt exist....its simply "caught on" and for all of those pseudo down trodden people , who live middle class lives in western democracies....they have no "root causes"..they are simply useful fools for others who simply want to destroy the west...or at least thats what they keep saying.

Well, if you really live the Semitic part of the world you really should know that traditional Semitic warfare is about doing the things that psychologically annihilate the other side in your own mind more than material annihilation proper.

of course there are others.....those who travel across the globe just to kill muslim iraqis...but they may be less educated but they also fit the "useful fool" syndrome. For them, there is no disucssion, they're simply cannon fodder. Ah but their handlers, sitting pretty in Saudi Arabia....why should they talk to you?

Well, rather than finding people more guilty of bad behavior than yourself, maybe you can bother yourself with figuring out the big picture and the question of who ought to live and how rather than obsess about who is and should be dying. I can tell you're not real good with complicated ideas or moral ambiguity and have probably never stepped outside your tribalism, but you could actually give it a try.

I suggest you start with the idea of Modernity. It would give you insight into a lot of things past and present and future. Your magical 'knowledge' and dogmatic certainty are more obstacle to your being intelligent and human than you think.

[Coastie for Truth]

11. But their worst crimes were

SIN SIN SIN.:sarcasm: :rant: :rant:

1. Being the villains in Mel Gibson's most popular movie.

2. Surviving the Holocaust.

3. Being so friggin obnoxious - you know, that Brown v. Board of Education, and Voting Rights Act, and Civil Rights Act, and ACLU agitation -- and taking the King James Bible and the King James Ten Commandments out of "OUR" public schools.


SIN SIN SIN.:sarcasm: :rant: :rant:

[leveymg]

5. So, who's being appeased here? Saddam? Osama? Ayatollah Sistani?

Since they are no longer around to tell us, we don't even know what the motives were of the guys alledged to have done the bombings.

All that's apparent is that the US, UK and Iraq are the victim of BushCo's incompetent, deceitful and fanatic war planning, and Blair's ill-decided appeasement of Bush. The policy has politically destroyed its creators, and is creating monsterous offspring.

Nobody's in charge here -- who does Taheri think might be appeased?

[bemildred]

8. It must be the dead suiciders that are going to be "appeased".

No doubt it we are firm enough they will not do it again.

[pretzel4gore]

7. blairbush lied about the dangers from iraq to justfy murdering iraq

starting there, how in hell does this oddball conclude the blair's 'appeasing' terrorists? ...factor in bush not being legitimately elected, in 2k election- how can anyone even waste a moment's energy on 'terror' when the main actors on world stage are criminals, putschists and outlaws?
and just because the democrats and liberal media are cowardly dupes is no excuse