Two Hamas militants killed in Gaza missile strike

[drdon326]

http://www.haaretzdaily.com/hasen/spages/335515.html
Israel Air Force helicopters fired four missiles at
a car in Gaza City on Monday afternoon, killing
two Hamas operatives.
One of the two, identified by
Army Radio as Hader Husari, 36,
a leader in the military wing
of the organization, was killed
outright. The second militant,
identified as Munsar Knita,
died later of critical
injuries.

The third militant in the car,

Mundar Darmita, was in serious condition, Army
Radio said.

Following the attack, senior Hamas official in
the Gaza Strip, Abdel Aziz Rantisi vowed
revenge for the killings, the radio said.

After a suicide bombing on a Jerusalem bus two
weeks ago by a Hamas activist left 21 people
dead, Israel has killed other 10 Hamas members
and three bystanders in five such attacks.


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bye dudes......

[Darranar]

1. Great cartoon I saw a while ago...

a bit off subject but sums it up pretty well. Sharon is in a tank and he says "We're going to seize more land in retaliation for the attacks that result when we seize land!" Same thing here, but instead of siezing land they're shooting militants.

I'm not saying it's unjustified, I'm saying that it's stupid.

[Gimel]

7. Hudna II

Hamas tried to arrange a new Hudna in response. I'd say it hit them where it hurts. Far better than attacking a busload of religious civilians, intentionally killing 21 including 5 young children, and some babies severely injured.

[Aidoneus]

2. 2 Hamas dead, 30 civilians wounded

fairly poor proportion there, I'd say. :shrug:

[drdon326]

3. Well....

we could compare how much better abu mazen has done

in killing terrorists ...... but as we both know he

hasnt the moral character to live up to what he has

agreed to.

[bemildred]

4. Hey, this is "all out war" now.

They have to "fight to win" this time.
It would be "immoral" not to.

[Herschel]

5. Bye indeed

And farewell to these animals. The collateral damage is the responsibility of those that live among civilians.

[drdon326]

6. Close...

its actually HIDE among civilians.

[Forkboy]

11. Your concern for innocents is touching

I'll keep that in mind the next time one of you bitch that's there's no sympathy forthe victims of suicide bombings.

You two are real prizes and shining examples of human decency :eyes:

[StandWatie]

13. it's old, old, bullshit..

back during Lebanon whenever Israel blew up thousands of Lebanese it wasn't because they flew over there and bombed them, it was because the Palestinians had "hijacked" the country (this begs the question exactly where are Palestinians supposed to go) and were hiding behind the Lebanese (especially the Christians) as sort of human shields.

Conversely in 1948, Jerusalem had a population that was deemed by the Haganah to "start much trouble and fight very little" so they could only manage about 500 fighting men to defend the city and when they did they placed artilery pieces directly on top of inhabited homes of people who didn't want to cooperate. That's heroic and these people going about their daily lives are "hiding".

[Forkboy]

14. I dont really favor either side

they both act cowardly and it's come down to dueling atrocities.My problem is with people like Herschel and Don who seem to revel in one sides actions while reviling the others,all the while explaining why it's ok for the innocent people they dont like to die but not the innocent people they do like :shrug:

[Darranar]

16. Agreed, Forkboy...

that's basically my stance as well.

[StandWatie]

17. I object to US involvement in it..

it's an unsolvable religious/race war that is made unsolvable because of unilateral US support for one side.

[drdon326]

19. Wrong.

"Don who seem to revel in one sides actions while reviling the others,all the while explaining why it's ok for the innocent people they dont like to die but not the innocent people they do like."

First, i would love to tell you how pathetic that post is
but i really dont feel like getting banned.

2nd, i dont revel in the deaths of ANY innocents....ANY.
What should have happened is that the pa should have lived
up to its obligations and gotten rid of the terrorist thugs
themselves.....but as we know abu is a lying shit by agreeing
to "dismantle" these dirtballs and then re-negged (sp?) on the
deal. Lame shit. Someone has to decapitate these murderers and
abu sure wont do it. Put the blame where it belongs. I sure hope
israel gets each and every one of these thugs.....and i hope with
as little innocent casualties as possible.

Next time dont mis-characterize my position.

[Forkboy]

20. next time dont act like you dont give a shit

and we wont have to worry about it.

[bemildred]

23. Tsk

From a previous thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.org/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=124&topic_id=4537&mesg_id=4537


41. The "road map" uses the word dismantle twice.

Edited on Mon Aug-04-03 07:50 PM by bemildred

I checked it on both Jewish and Palestinian propaganda sites
to be sure. Both are in the Phase one section.

Security:


* Rebuilt and refocused Palestinian Authority security apparatus begins
sustained, targeted, and effective operations aimed at confronting all those
engaged in terror and dismantlement of terrorist capabilities and infrastructure.
This includes commencing confiscation of illegal weapons and consolidation
of security authority, free of association with terror and corruption.


Settlements:


* GOI immediately dismantles settlement outposts erected since March 2001.

* Consistent with the Mitchell Report, GOI freezes all settlement activity
(including natural growth of settlements).

Edit:

Full text:
http://www.palestinemonitor.org/settlements/Roadmap_fulltext.htm
http://www.us-israel.org/jsource/Peace/road.html

[Darranar]

15. Where are the Palestinians supposed to go?

They're supposed to disappear and stop troubling the world anymore.

The idea behind tranfer is the same kind of singleminded, arrogant idea as the one that drives many Islamic militant groups:
"If only the Israelis were all killed, everything would be perfect. If only Western culture was destroyed, everything would be perfect." That's the same idea as "If only the Palestinians were trasfered to Jordan, everything would be perfect."

Actions have consequences. Some of those consequences will alnost always be bad. The consequences of such a large-scale action such as the tranfer of the Palestinians or the destruction of Western culture would have large and far-reaching consequences that would cause other problems, many of which would likely affect the group or nation or whatever committing the action. (That's aside from the fact that some of those actions would be impossible, of course.)

Not only would transfer of the Palestinians be immoral, but the consequences of the action for Israel in the world could well be far worse.

[The Magistrate]

8. There Is Nothing Gained, Gentlemen

By casting your enemies as sub-human, however vile and vicious they might be.

Further, that a thing is necessary, and unavoidable under the circumstances, does not make it any the less a thing to regret the doing of. Those unfortunate enough to be alongside these killers at that moment deserve sincere sympathy; they had no part in the wrong done by the targets of this attack, and no more deserved to suffer for it than any passenger on a Jerusalem bus.

[StandWatie]

9. no one in Gaza did anything

these people aren't "terrorists" because they haven't left Gaza Prison since 2000, this is just putting down a prison riot with Apache Helicopters and any other view of the matter is obfuscation.

[The Magistrate]

10. Hamas Is Hamas, Sir

Those associated with the organization are, to my view, properly taken as targets: it is a combatant organization. If an attack is made by elements of one unit of an army, no one cries foul if bombardment descends on a different unit, even many miles away.

[StandWatie]

12. ultimate slippery slope

At face value that would mean that Palestinians would have every right to bomb or assassinate JDL chapters all over the world if we are using the definition of extra-state militia activity.

The World Zionist Organization has defined itself as ideologically aligned with the Likud therefore aid given to the Sharon government could be viewed in the same manner as Hamas ideological and monetary support of West Bank militants.

There wouldn't be many non-combatants left.

[The Magistrate]

22. That Is Rather Slippery, Sir

The J.D.L. does not really have too much of a bag to boast of; more hat than cattle, so to speak. Still, if someone were to take their rhetoric seriously, and act accordingly, they would have none to blame but themselves. The W.Z.O. seems more removed from the action than the perhaps seperate wings of Hamas. The social-political and military wings of Hamas seem to me to correspond with above-ground and underground structures of a revolutionary party. The first are essential to the operation of the second, in the same way a logistics command is necessary to a combat command in a conventional force. Just about all logics break down if pushed too far: reductio ab adsurdem is seldom the best refutation.

[SOS]

18. Nice editing job!

Actual sentences from Haaretz report:

"Israel Air Force helicopters fired four missiles
at a car in Gaza City on Monday afternoon,
killing two Hamas operatives. Some 30
bystanders were injured by flying shrapnel."

drdon326 version:

"Israel Air Force helicopters fired four missiles
at a car in Gaza City on Monday afternoon,
killing two Hamas operatives."

[Forkboy]

21. But he cares about those civilians

he just said so :eyes: