BUSH PROTESTING MOM CALLS FOR 'ISRAEL OUT OF PALESTINE' NOOOOOOOO!!

[seriousstan]

I realize this is "the drudge". But please tell me it isn't sooo. Do not marginalize yourself!


BUSH PROTESTING MOM CALLS FOR 'ISRAEL OUT OF PALESTINE'; VOWS NOT TO PAY TAXES

Anti-war protestor Cindy Sheehan, whose soldier son Casey was killed in Iraq, is calling for Bush's "impeachment," and for Israel to get out of Palestine!

"You get America out of Iraq and Israel out of Palestine and you'll stop the terrorism," Sheehan declares.

Sheehan, who is asking for a second meeting with President Bush, says defiantly: "My son was killed in 2004. I am not paying my taxes for 2004. You killed my son, George Bush, and I don't owe you a penny...you give my son back and I'll pay my taxes. Come after me (for back taxes) and we'll put this war on trial."


http://www.drudgereport.com/flash3cs.htm
"And now I'm going to use another 'I' word - impeachment - because we cannot have these people pardoned. They need to be tried on war crimes and go to jail."

A non drudge link...http://www.allheadlinenews.com/cgi-bin/news/newsbrief.plx?id=2248072670&fa=1

Yet another link, however this one doesn't meantion the Isreal part...http://www.counterpunch.com/ferner08092005.html

[Horse with no Name]

1. I don't think Drudge qualifies as a legit source

They are just a right wing wipe rag.

[Karenina]

19. Herd 'em up! Move 'em Out!

Keep them sheeples movin', Rawhide...

[ray of light]

27. I agree!

And until Cindy herself says she said it ans hse says it on Kos or meetwithCindy.com than I don't believe any of it.

Remember you're talking about the same people who made "Rathergate" and issue--and propragated the swift boat liars.

lies are their living!

[seriousstan]

41. Check out my updated link

[notadmblnd]

45. This isn't a subject you can discuss here

I'll be surprised if this thread isn't locked soon.

[nosmokes]

67. Drudge? shouldn't even be allowed in LBN. it's been

proven that the guy takes what may be a grain of sands worth of truth, like joe smith is a congressman and his secretary is named lucy johnson, and then makes wild acusations about affairs or out of wedlock children or threesomes between ms johnson and the smiths. the asshole is so low he hasta climb a ladder and still needs a telescope to give a snake a rectal exam. developing...

[seriousstan]

72. I have googled this and found it repeated numerous times.

http://educate-yourself.org/cn/cindysheehansolidarityday11aug05.shtml

http://www.opinionjournal.com/best/

http://judicial-inc.biz/cindy_sheehan_Israel.htm

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/1226

[nosmokes]

87. mo better sources, for sure!

my apologies if i offended you stan, but drudge just pisses me off. as for ms sheehan making the statement and how it'll play, i'm sure thatFNC and all theRW talking heads will be trying to make hay out of it, but i see absolutely no reason that ms sheehan shouldn't speak out ocasionally about this - it is definitely part and parcel of why we are in iraq.

[Willinois]

2. Those are correct statements.

It's a shame when people don't speak the truth and make their most powerful arguments because they know the corporate media won't help spread that message. We can only break through that when we ignore what the corporate media claims is acceptable.

However, I'll believe she said those things when I see it somewhere other than Drudge.

[leesa]

3. Absolutely. Israel out of Palestine. Don't you know that part of the

reason we are fighting this unprovoked war is because the Israeli government demanded it? They want us to do Iran next, then Syria and Lebanon.

Why does truth bother you?

[Cassandra]

11. What does Israel out of Palestine mean to you?

Do you know that to many Palestinians that means no Israelis anywhere in the region at all? They're not just talking about borders, they're talking about ZERO. Is that what you want, too?

[Guaranteed]

17. This thread is going to get bad.

Sheehan should not have said that.

[Cassandra]

34. I don't blame her for saying it...

since that's what she feels but she may not realize that that phrase means different things to different people. I'd rather she focus her attention on the neocons who dragged us into this war under the impression that it would be good for Israel (I disagree with them on this) as well as for oil. Whether Sharon encouraged the war or not, since when does Sharon run our goverment? Perhaps since we've had a weak fool running things who doesn't know enough to say that we support Israel but we won't give you everything you want. Clinton knew better than to cave to the rightwingers in Israel.

[dissent1977]

96. I don't think that is what Cindy meant

I believe she was referring to the West Bank and the Gaza Strip, not the entire state of Israel. It is time to end the occupation of the Palestinian territories. We need to find a way to bring peace between Israel and Palestine and that will not happen until the occupation ends.

[caitlyn]

102. Thank you

A quick look at the PLO website will show a map of Palestine. It's all of what we now call Israel.

Anyone who has lived in the region (I have) knows that many, many Palestinians are good, hard working people who would love nothing better than to live in peace and prosper. Their leadership, OTOH, is not ready for that and it is dangerous for a Palestinian to challenge that leadership unless they are part of a large armed group (i.e.: Hamas).

The Palestinians have had three leaders since 1920: Haj Amin al-Husseini, who spent WWII in Berlin and wanted to bring Hitler's final solution to Palestine; his nephew and hand-picked successor, Yasser Arafat; and Arafat's top lieutenant, Mahmoud Abbas, who's claim to fame was in writing a thesis (later a book) denying the Holocaust. The only realistic challenger to Abbas was persuaded not to run for President at the last minute. I wonder how... The Palestinians are victims, as much as anything, of their own leadership and their brother Arabs. Opportunities for statehood and independence have been offered and rejected without counteroffer.

To quote Abba Eban, "The Palestinians have never missed an opportunity to miss an opportunity." Sadly the Palestinian people have never been consulted about any opportunities.

[Cassandra]

106. I've seen that map. It's what I was referring to.

Other Arabs refer to Palestinians as shopkeepers, I suspect disparagingly. Palestinians have been a fairly enterprising bunch with better educations than many in the neighborhood. They have been so badly served by their leaders, it's just tragic.

[still_one]

28. that is NOT the point

the point is we shouldn't be in Iraq. Everything else is a diversion

As far as your implications that Israel is the cause of all are problems, I respectfully disagree.

The thing that must be focused on is the real purpose of what Cindy is doing

They lied about Iraq, and we shouldn't be there. If we fall into their trap and are diverted by things that don't relate to why she is there, it will be self-defeating

I hope we don't do that

[Eloriel]

44. This is so funny.

I read your post, then thought you were being ultra-sarcastic. Then I read it again, a bit more carefully, then I had to say: Actually , that's true . Put a little simplistically, though. I wouldn't say Israel "demanded" it, for example, but rather that what the Neocons have dreamed up "happen to coincide" (or something) with Sharon's wish list. But that's irrefutable, frankly. There are people here who might not like it -- or like having it said aloud, but it's true.


http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/entity.jsp?entity=a_clean_break:_a_new_strategy_for_securing_the_realm (many hot links in this document)

July 8, 1996 Complete Iraq timeline
The Institute for Advanced Strategic and Political Studies, an Israeli think tank, publishes a paper titled, “A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm.” The paper advises the new, right-wing Israeli leader Benjamin Netanyahu to make a complete break with the past by adopting a strategy “based on an entirely new intellectual foundation, one that restores strategic initiative and provides the nation the room to engage every possible energy on rebuilding Zionism ....” Much along the lines of an earlier paper by Israeli Oded Yinon, the document urges the Israelis to aggressively seek the downfall of their Arab neighbors—especially Syria and Iraq—by exploiting the inherent tensions within and among the Arab States.

Other suggestions for Israel include abandoning the Oslo Accords, developing a foreign policy based on a traditional balance of power strategy, reserving its right to invade the West Bank and Gaza Strip as part of a strategy of “self-defense,” abandoning any notion of “land for peace,” reestablishing a policy of preemptive strikes, forging closer ties to the US while taking steps towards self-reliance, and seeking an alternative to Yasser Arafat as leader of the PLO.

Some of the paper's authors will later be appointed to influential government and quasi-government positions during the administration of George W. Bush. The lead writer, Richard Perle, will serve on the Defense Policy Board (for the first year and a half he will serve as chairman). Douglas Feith will serve as undersecretary of defense for policy. He will oversee the activities of several controversial offices including the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group (see Shortly after September 11, 2001) and the Office of Special Plans (see September 2002). David Wurmser will help run the Counter Terrorism Evaluation Group (see Shortly after September 11, 2001) through August 2002 and then will be transferred to the State Department to serve as a senior advisor to Undersecretary of State for Arms Control John R. Bolton (see September 2002).

People and organizations involved: David Wurmser, A Clean Break: A New Strategy for Securing the Realm, Richard V. Allen, Richard Armitage, Jeffrey T. Bergner, Douglas Feith, Meyrav Wurmser, Jonathan Torop, James Colbert, Charles Fairbanks, Jr., Robert Loewenberg, Benjamin Netanyahu

[not systems]

73. There you go again pointing out the neo-con paper trail...

that lead to the war in Iraq.

[Tyranny_R_US]

80. I disagree with her

Personally I think the palistinians are the agressors and have always started the agressions they don't deserve any land but that doesnt stop me from supporting Ms. Sheehan's fight when it comes to the bullshit war in iraq that is costing our men their lives and limbs, my heart broke when I went to the mall yesterday I saw a young man with a missing arm and disfigured face.

[not systems]

84. That is some truly bizarre thinking...

so your for ethnic cleansing AKA genocide of people
you don't think "deserve any land".

That is sick minded.

[Name removed]

90. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[not systems]

98. I don't like the accusation...

and I still think it is sick that you deny that the
Palistinians "deserve any land".

[caitlyn]

104. Most Israelis think the Palestinians deserve land...

...and Prime Minister Sharon, during his last campaign, said he would have no Cabinet Minister who did not support the creation of a Palestinian state.

Again, all but the right wing in Israel believe a two state solution is the only just solution. They just don't see how it's going to happen without change on the Palestinian side.

I though this wasn't a right wing forum. I thought that a peaceful solution was something we'd all support. Was I wrong?

[Andromeda]

99. Welcome to DU Tyranny_R_US...

Put on your asbestos suit when you post in this forum. :)

[caitlyn]

101. You have no clue about "truth"

First, there never has been a country called Palestine for Israel to get out of.

Second, the territories in question are in dispute. There never has been an agreed upon set of borders. The last internationally recognized borders were those agreed upon by King Feisal, Chaim Weizmann (for the Zionist movement) and the British in 1919. They set the border at the Jordan River. Obviously that is not a realistic border today but neither is the 1949 armistice line. The U.N., in it's wisdom, voted to partition the land based on demographics. That is still what should be done.

Third, the territories in question were captured from Egypt and Jordan, both of whom have renounced their claims. Until a legitimate Palestinian government that is actually interested in peace (not the peace of the grave for Israelis) there really is no way to settle the issue as called for by U.N. Resolutions 242 and 338, which the international community mostly agrees should be the basis for a resolution to the conflict.

Speaking of Resolution 242 it calls for Israel to withdraw from territories to a secure and defensible border agreed to by the parties. Until there is a peace agreement there is no such border. Lord Caradon, who was British ambassador to the U.N. in 1967, was one of the authors of 242. He repeatedly, in interviews, said the 1949 armistice line (pre-1967 borders) are not acceptable or defensible.

Finally, Israel is withdrawing from Gaza and northern Samaria unilaterally, with no preconditions and no concessions from the Palestinians, as I write this. It is doing so with strong Israeli public support. Except for the right wing "greater Israel" crowd, who are a minority, nobody in Israel believes this process will end with this disengagement.

In other words, Israel *IS* pulling out of part of what will, in the future, be Palestine. It's time for the Palestinians to reciprocate by ending terrorist attacks.

Oh, and Israel gains nothing by us being in Iraq. It only breeds more Islamic radicalism and that hurts Israel as much as it hurts us. Israeli intelligence warned that Iraq was contained and Iran was the threat. They seriously suggested that Bush NOT invade. A little fact you care to overlook, I guess.

Why are we in Iraq? Oil. Two dimensional thinking by a less that smart President. Saddam tried to kill his daddy, remember? Contracts for Halliburton figured in this somewhere. Oh, and did I mention a base of operations to control the rest of Middle East oil exports? Yep, as usual with the Republicans it's all about GREED.

[H5N1]

4. Hope it's true. If you're going to tell the truth -tell the whole truth!

This came up in a bar last night.
Gave me a chance to explain the situation
to a bunch who had no idea what's going on.
Speak up, Cindy: this message is important, as well.

[GoldenOldie]

13. Cindy has picked her fight and it ain't the Israeli/Palistine one.

Cindy is a Mother lioness who has lost her cub to a pack of lying jackals.....she isn't about to be turned away by the likes of Drudge, O'Reilly, Hannity nor any of the other Liberal Media.

[still_one]

33. no it isn't. This is typical divide and conquer bull shit the repukes

are trying to do

If we don't focus on getting out of Iraq, because the war was based on a lie, but instead bring up other issues, we will lose

The Israelli/Palestinian issue may be black and white to you, but not to everyone, and to divert away from that is a mistake

If she said it fine, she is entitled to her views as anyone, but the focus is OUR INVOLVEMENT IN IRAQ!!!

[TechBear_Seattle]

5. Dredge has outright lied before

Most likely, though, he has heard second-hand reports that some of the folks at Camp Casey are pushing other messages than just "out of Iraq." Thus Sheehan and Palestinian supporters have become one and the same in his mind.

[Guaranteed]

8. I'm pretty sure she said this.

I've seen it before, and not from Drudge. On our own threads.

[delen]

43. Actually

This "Cindy says Israel out of Palestine" has been going around for days, Drudge and his ilk would love for the 2 messages (anti Iraq war and Israel- Palestine) to be come one and the same, as this suits right wing purposes.

[Scurrilous]

58. Yep...

...this has been all over the right-wing blogosphere since Wednesday.

LBN? I think not.

[Charlie Brown]

6. What's wrong with Cindy commenting on Israel/Palestine?

There are other injustices committed in the World beyond Iraq. I think it's commendable that she would use her spotlight to bring attention to other transgressions in the world.

[seriousstan]

9. Diluting the message

[Cocoa]

14. one unconfirmed clause in one sentence

Sheehan has been talking nonstop for weeks, she's said about a zillion things, and this one thing that we don't even know she said is going to dilute her message?

Only if we let Drudge, et al blow it out of proportion.

[Charlie Brown]

16. How? There's more to the anti-war movement than Iraq

Plenty of other world leaders could stand to hear what Cindy has to say.

[still_one]

35. you are exactly right

this is exactly what the neocons want to do

that is how they have suceeded. Dividing us

One issue at a time please

[Kire]

7. How would you like "settlers" coming into your town?

[HereSince1628]

21. That's Mr. Mattlage's opinion, too. n/t

[Kire]

48. Who's got the guns?

[caitlyn]

103. Was it ever their town?

The Etzion settlement bloc was Jewish prior to 1948. It was Jordanian occupation that rendered it free of Jews. Tell me, is it the Palestinian's town or a Jewish town?

In Hebron Jews and Palestinians had lived side by side in peace for about 900 years. Then, in 1929, after incitement by Grand Mufti Haj Amin al-Husseini, the Hebron massacre forced the evacuation of what was left of the Jewish community. Is Hebron, the burial place of Abraham, Isaac, and Jacob, Palestinian or Jewish? If there was justice in the world it would be both, would it not? The settlement enclaves in Hebron are on *part* of what was the old Jewish community.

In 1854 the population of Jerusalem, according to a New York Tribune reporter, was 2/3 Jewish. The reporter's name was Karl Marx. Jewish settlement outside the old city walls started in 1865. There was no Jerusalem outside of what the press now calls "Arab" East Jerusalem at the time. What made east Jerusalem an Arab city? 19 years of Jordanian occupation.

The last Ottoman census put the population of what would become British Palestine at 155,000. In 1947, at the time of the U.N. vote to partition Palestine 80% of the Jewish population was first generation. 80% of the Arab population was also first generation. Why aren't the Arab newcomers called "settlers" too?

Mark Twain, after visiting the Holy Land, wrote of desolation and the lack of people.

During the 500 years of Ottoman rule Jews were either a majority or a plurality of the population in Jerusalem. For over 400 years of that period there was a Jewish majority.

Outside of Hebron please name one Jewish settlement built in or on top of an Arab village or town. (Clue: you can't.)

Suggested reading: Alan Dershowitz: "The Case for Israel"

[Cocoa]

10. she's not anyone's representative

she has a perfectly valid opinion there, why shouldn't she express her personal political views?

Anyway, if she said that (and I'll believe it when I see a reputable source print it) it's for sure not her main point. She's given tons of interviews and said lots of things, and one clause in one sentence is irrelevant, though Drudge and the RW machine will make a big deal about it.

[seriousstan]

12. though Drudge and the RW machine will make a big deal about it

My point exactly. The only views that gets widely distributed is the ones that that are widely distributed.

[Mairead]

25. So maybe you think she should just keep quiet altogether?

For sure the slime aren't going to give her a pass. They'll find something to blow out of proportion; we know that with complete certainty. The only way to prevent them doing that is for her not to say anything at all. Is that what you want? If not, what do you hope to achieve with this thread?

[seriousstan]

29. No, the only way was to keep on message.

[Windy]

49. Yes, if she did this, it was a fatal mistake

If she didn't, she needs to clear it up somehow, but then again, if she trys to "clear that up" she will be attacked from all sides. This is a no win situtation for what was (and hopefully will continue to be) a great grassroots effort.

[Soup Bean]

55. If she didn't say it, SAY SO NOW.

Failure to respond to BS is what's killed Dems in the last two elections. I know people there at the Camp read the DU, so GO ASK HER TO CLARIFY THE STATEMENT. NOW. PLEASE.

[Caleb]

15. "Israel out of Palestine"

What exactly does she mean by that though?

[Cocoa]

23. she means a resolution of the conflict

she doesn't have her own road map, she isn't making foreign policy, she isn't running for anything, she's just a mother who lost her son in the war and who made a pretty obvious observation about the ME conflict and terrorism.

[caitlyn]

105. I'm not so sure you're right...

...and I'll leave it at that since I can't ask Ms. Sheehan myself.

I agree with those who say it dilutes her message and ruins the sympathy many Democrats who support Israel would have for her.

[Charlie Brown]

26. Perhaps she was referring to the Gaza pullout

or the West Bank or the wall. It's ridiculous to draw conclusions on what she meant from such a vague statement. But she's clearly including that conflict with the larger anti-war movement, which is commendable. There's no reason to limit the message to Iraq.

[Jacobin]

18. Well, do you support American Indians forcibly evicting

Caucasions from the United States?

I dunno, if I weren't a Caucasian, I might think it was a just cause.

:shrug:

[Soup Bean]

20. I wish Israel didn't have to be injected into "Camp Casey".

I know, I know, what in the world ISN'T connected to Israel/Palestine? However, it is a really good thing to say to muddy up the waters.

I know it's a legitimate issue. I just hope the laser focus isn't taken off Bush..

[liberaliraqvet26]

39. it is offbase...

if there is anything at all we can learn from the repukes it is MESSAGE DISCIPLINE.

[rodeodance]

68. the waters are already muddy--it is not bad that she said--but as

others have said--it will be amnuition for the Repugs

[still_one]

22. first I wouldn't trust drudge

but most important they must be in full panic mode if they are going on the attack like this

we are in iraq based on a lie. THAT IS THE ISSUE. Anything else is a diversion

[madrchsod]

24. here`s another post and threads about this

check my thread about the the "reporter"..they are making her out to be a bitch and of course crazy..just another trick from the old soviet union-question the government-you are crazy-off to the funny farm!
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=132x2008546
Democratic Underground - Cindy Sheehan Blasts Bush and U.S. Policy With Harsh Remarks

[seriousstan]

32. I am borrowing your link, thanks.

[Windy]

30. Look it DOES dilute the message

I thought her protest was about the Iraq war and the lies that got us into it and resulted in the death of her son for less than a "noble cause"? The administration's continued failure to tell the truth? The failure of this administration to respect and support the troops. While I think Drudge is full of it and I too will believe it when I see it in a "legitimate" news source, I for one hope this isn't true. She should be pounding the DSM,Yellowcake, the UN fabrications, Iraq/AQ lies etc into the ears of the media who are listening now and not stray off course into other areas, which although are important in the overall picture of world security, should be saved for another forum. She will begin to turn people off is she becomes a sounding board for political causes as opposed to seeking answers about her personal loss and the personal loss suffered by other families of deceased and currently serving military that have assembled there.

If she's said this, she is playing into their hands. They will exploit it for all its worth. An offhand statement could lessen her support base. I'm sorry, but that's how I feel.

[still_one]

37. I agree 100% with you

look how people here are already jumping on the band wagon. How we should bring up every issue they consider unfair.

They are doing this because they are in panic mode, and if we fall for it, we deserve the results

[Soup Bean]

47. I hate this, but it was bound to happen.

She's not a professional politician, and no message is being crafted for her by some suit-and-tie committee. She's just hurt, she's got a TON of "intense" activists around her, and so many people telling her what's wrong with the world.

It really isn't HER job to have to do this stuff. Unfortunately, since all of our "professional politicians" have given up on the PEOPLE, she's had to fill the void.

"Message Drift" was bound to occur. She's doing the best she can, and SHAME ON the "PROs" for not doing their jobs.

[Windy]

51. agreed n/t

[onehandle]

31. No Drudge. See Rules:

5. Whenever possible, post excerpts and links from reputable mainstream news sources that are available online. Do not link to blogs, vanity sites, or blatantly biased sources, except in cases where reputable mainstream sources are not available. Please make an effort to link directly to the original source of an article, instead of linking to sites that have re-published someone else's content, or re-packaged someone else's content as their own. The moderators have the authority to decide which websites are appropriate for posting in the Latest Breaking News forum and which are not.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=102x87249

[seriousstan]

38. except in cases where reputable mainstream sources are not available

see rules. I have seen numerous posts from drudge in the DU. I have also updated the OP to include a non-drudge link. I do not doubt the validity of the quote so the original opinion stands firm.

[onehandle]

53. Keep reading.

"Please make an effort to link directly to the original source of an article, instead of linking to sites that have re-published someone else's content, or re-packaged someone else's content as their own."

"allheadlinenews" is not a source. And the ads there seem to be right-wing.

Drudge is not acceptable in LBN, ever.

Neither is counterpunch.

[insane_cratic_gal]

36. Since when is drudge LBN? n/t

[Yavin4]

40. This Doesn't Dilute Her Message. It Kills It

Anyone who says anything negative about Israel is automatically deemed anti-semetic by the media, and your message will be killed. It's that simple. No criticism of Israel will ever be allowed by the American corporate media.

The American corporate media now has a reason to ignore her, and they will.

[Windy]

46. Yes they do....

Wait and see what happens by the end of the week. I hope this isn't true, but as someone else posted in response to my previous message, its even put DU into panic mode. Can you imagine what they are doing at Freeperville? HOw about Fox? Anyone checked in on Fox? Unfortunately, they still have the majority of the 24 hour news watchers. I can't bear to watch it, but just wait until Hannity and O'Liely get ahod of this!

[Charlie Brown]

52. There was a time when anyone who opposed Iraq war was deemed un-American

We all voted last November for two candidates who unapologetically supported using force in Iraq. The media and most Democrats wrote-off the anti-war movement as a fringe, and still did, until very recently. Did you think that candidates who opposed the war when it mattered were wrong to do so?

Cindy has already gotten the maximum amount of publicity. She's decided to get the most out of her spotlight while she can and try to link the message with other injustices in the World. As she lost a son to an act of aggression and occupation, I don't see why she should shy away from criticizing other such acts. The fact that this issue is taboo makes Cindy's comment on it all the more powerful, as the anti-war message was in the early days.

[against all enemies]

42. Cindy is right, good for her. She wants peace, no more killing.

If we ever want peace, Israel must change. We must help them.

[Charlie Brown]

56. Thank you

I think a lot of people here think the message of peace is moot outside of the Iraq conflict. Cindy would be a hypocrite if she opposed one act of occupation by force and remained silent on others.

[delen]

60. Not just Israel

Both sides must be willing to compromise. The British colony Palestine was divided by the UN in to a Jewish sector and an Arab(Islamic) sector and it was the Arabs who attacked first at the urging of some Islamic leaders (who had spent WW2 in Berlin as Hitlers honored guests)

I know this might get me in trouble.

[Andromeda]

100. Welcome to DU, delen...

Your statement is not going to get you into trouble with anybody who actually knows the history of the I/P conflict.

It's a lot more complicated than just what happened after WWII. There has been conflict going back farther than that.

No peace agreement negotiated so far has worked so it's going to take some pretty extraordinary people on both sides to make it happen.

[OzarkDem]

50. Source looks bogus

It appears someone is trying to stir up trouble and disrupt the forum.

[seriousstan]

54. I currently have three independent links

so if the "someone you are referring to is me.....BLOW ME!

I know LBN when I see it. This is what you will be seeing if the MSM gets hold of it. Knowledge is much better than keeping your head up your ass, but the decision is always yours.

[DixieDem]

74. Seems to me that YOUR the one

trying to stir up shit here. Do you actually think that the Israeli occupation of Palestinian land
(140,000 last count) is helping the peace process? Cindy spoke the truth.

[seriousstan]

77. Don't let me disturb your sleep. News is what happens.

If you don't like it, stay in the lounge.

[DixieDem]

83. Bwaaa Haaa Haaa!

Your the one that can't handle Cindy's message. Why is that?

[Media_Lies_Daily]

91. Keep posting comments like that, and you won't be taken...

...seriously at all, "serious"stan.

Don't like it here? Take a hike.

[buzzard]

57. I don't know how accurate that report is but in my opinion

she is entitled to speak for herself and if that is how she feels so be it. I don't think she claims to speak on behalf of anyone but herself so whether you agree or not she does have a right to speak ( at least until she is jailed as some kind of threat to national security). I feel so bad for the sane Americans that did not vote for your idiot King.

[insane_cratic_gal]

59. But they are all quoting the same source

Drudge!



Plus there isn't anything wrong with telling Israel to get out of Gaza.

[Garbo 2004]

61. From transcript of Cindy's speech to Vets For Peace Convention

posted on truthout.org:

And I'm gonna say, "And you tell me what the noble cause is that my son died for." And if he even starts to say "freedom and democracy," I'm gonna say "bullshit."

You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of Pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East. You tell me that, you don't tell me my son died for freedom and democracy.

Cuz, we're not freer. You're taking away our freedoms. The Iraqi people aren't freer, they're much worse off than before you meddled in their country.

You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine.

Full transcript, dated August 5, at bottom of page here: http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml

I recall a previous thread here where a poster expressed concern about her comments regarding Israel, that they would be taken up by others and used against her. I only wondered what took Drudge so long to get the "scoop."

[Scurrilous]

63. Previous thread:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=124x98254

[ECH1969]

62. I remember hearing her say this

But, who cares, she is entitled to her opinion.

[zippy890]

64. exactly

she is entitled to her opinion about Israel.

she's not running for president

[rodeodance]

66. the only thing wrong here is that drudge and his types will make

political hay out of her comments.

[onehandle]

65. Mods? Sleeping late? nt

nt

[rodeodance]

69. there is no reason we can not have a good discussion about this

issue.

[onehandle]

71. Not in LBN.

Sources are bogus.

[seriousstan]

75. Bogus?? How's this? AfterDowningStreet.org

http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/?q=node/1226

And I’m gonna say, “And you tell me, what the noble cause is that my son died for.‿ And if he even starts to say ‘freedom and democracy’ I’m gonna say, bullshit.

You tell me the truth. You tell me that my son died for oil. You tell me that my son died to make your friends rich. You tell me my son died to spread the cancer of pax Americana, imperialism in the Middle East. You tell me that, you don’t tell me my son died for ‘freedom and democracy.’

Cuz, we’re not freer. You’re taking away our freedoms. The Iraqi people aren’t freer, they’re much worse off than before you meddled in their country.

You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine…

(massive round of applause)

[onehandle]

81. I'm not saying it's not true.

I'm saying follow the forum's rules.

I can come up with "interesting" posts all day long if these sources are acceptable.

[insane_cratic_gal]

92. Notice the time & Date

Mon, 2005-08-08 01:36.

don’t want him using my son’s death or my family’s sacrifice to continue the killing. I don’t want him to exploit the honor of my son and others to continue the killing. They sent these honorable people to die, and are so dishonorable themselves.


Matter of fact it's quite possible Drudge, Or Maher took all of those quotes from that page!

Inc which case it's not LBN it's OBN (Old breaking news)

[jobycom]

70. That's nice. She also likes the color blue. Now, back to point at hand

Which is that she is camping in Crawford until Bush answers her question about her son.

[rodeodance]

76. in her own words--on Truthout transcript--speech to Vet for Peace

http://www.truthout.org/cindy.shtml

Address to Veterans For Peace Convention
Cindy Sheehan
t r u t h o u t | Transcript

Friday 05 August 2005


.......Cuz, we're not freer. You're taking away our freedoms. The Iraqi people aren't freer, they're much worse off than before you meddled in their country.

You get America out of Iraq, you get Israel out of Palestine.

(massive round of applause)

And if you think I won't say "bullshit" to the President, I say move on, cuz I'll say what's on my mind.

[jobycom]

78. Good. She has political views. Now, back to Bush avoiding her, and refusin

to explain why we fought a war and why her son died.

[rodeodance]

82. yes, I realize that is the point--but seems to me some were concerned

or wondering if indeed she did say this. Now we know--and so what!

[jobycom]

85. Ah. Thanks for the info. Didn't mean to snub you on it, I was

just trying to be snappy.

[rodeodance]

86. no problem.

[rodeodance]

79. I think this is how she ended up in TX--she had gone to a convention

--as the story goes-in TX and decided to go to see Bush--spontaneous camp out as it turned out.

[Caleb]

88. Well, she has David Duke on her side now

http://www.davidduke.com/index.php?p=350

[Media_Lies_Daily]

94. Well, we know why Duke has a problem with Israel being in Palestine....

...do you think that's the same reason Cindy believes Israel should be out of Palestine?

Nice smear by association. You should receive a "Swift Boat Smear" award for your work.

[Name removed]

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[Tyranny_R_US]

95. "anti-american jew"

Why would they be anti-american I've combed though posts about Larry Mattlage and regardless of the threats he's spewed out no one called him "anti-american" any reason why you are targeting "jews" and not him?

[pecwae]

93. She does have the right

to state her opinion. Seems to me she was out there all alone just a few days ago stating her opinions then. She knows who will smear her and how. She's lost her child; she's got nothing left to lose. If the left feels she's diluting the message it's up to the left to redilute.

[DubyaSux]

97. Some people...

....will never be happy until someone finishes Hitler's work and exterminates every Jew on the planet.

Anybody that thinks that the Israeli/Paelstinian conflict has anything to do about land needs to see me about some beach-front property I own here in Ohio...