Was Willie Brown warned not to fly on 9/11?

[screembloodymurder]

Is there proof? And if so, who warned him and why hasn't that person been investigated?

[Nozebro]

1. You want that person INVESTIGATED? They were trying to save a life.

He said something about being warned by a security advisor. There's also a story that Condoleeza Rice personally warned him. It's also possible that it (warning) never happened, but was publicized as some kind of disinformation tactic - maybe to help convince the public that airliners "really" were used on 9/11 as missiles. It's also possible that someone got the warning publicized as a way of framing Bush for being the Mr. Big of the 9/11 False Flag terror operation, even though Bush probably had only a vague, fuzzy notion of the forthcoming attacks (plausible deniability and all that jazz).

[RedSock]

2. from the 9/11 timeline

http://complete911timeline.org/item.jsp?item=a091001brown

September 10, 2001: Hours Before Attacks, San Francisco Mayor Receives Warning Willie Brown. (Source: San Francisco City Government)
Eight hours prior to the attacks, San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown receives a warning from "my security people at the airport," advising him to be cautious in traveling. (San Francisco Chronicle, 9/12/2001) Later reports claim that this is because someone saw the State Department warning of September 7 (see September 7, 2001), which focused on the threat to military personnel in Asia. Brown is scheduled to fly to New York the next morning. (San Francisco Chronicle, 9/14/2001; San Francisco Chronicle, 9/12/2001; US Department of State, 9/7/2001) The source of the warning, and why it was personally issued to Brown, remains unknown.

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Someone claimed (or made an offhand remark) in a radio interview that Condi Rice was the one who told Brown, but there is no evidence of that.

[Nozebro]

3. So far as YOU know.

"there is no evidence of that."

[RedSock]

5. is this better

"to date, no evidence has been presented to the public in any way, shape or form"

is that better?

...

if there is actual evidnece, i'd love to see it.

someone says something on a radio show is no more believable than bush saying something in a speech.

[FoxOnTheRun]

4. Because you have criminal oligarchy running the US eom

[BootinUp]

6. whos Willie Brown? n/t

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Former Mayor of San Francisco

and a friend of Condi Rice.

He claims that he was warned not to fly on 9-11.

[greyl]

13. Your reply includes a falsehood.

You have zero grounds to say that he claims he was warned not to fly on 9/11.

[mhatrw]

18. So a direct quote from Willie Brown equals "zero grounds"?

How typical of anybody who would promote http://www.911myths.com as a place to get information about 9/11!

All you'd have to do is google "Willie Brown 9/11 warning" and hit "I feel lucky" to find out the truth:

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

But I suppose that's far too much to ask from anyone who thinks http://www.911myths.com is a well researched website.

[greyl]

19. Please, oh please, give me a direct quote

where he says he was warned not to fly on 9/11.

[mhatrw]

22. What was the title of that PDB again, Condi?

Oh, yeah:

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

[BootinUp]

23. You ought to write for Abc entertainment. n/t

[greyl]

24. I said "please". Just admit there is zero evidence to

back up the statement that "Willie Brown was warned not to fly on 9/11".

[mhatrw]

27. Zero evidence? There's a 9/12 SF Chronicle article

by very well respected local reporters stating exactly that.

How in the world is that zero evidence? If Brown's direct quotes in the following article aren't in reference to this widely reported warning, what in the world are they in reference to?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel

Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross

Wednesday, September 12, 2001

Phillip Matier & Andrew Ross

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

[greyl]

30. Read for comprehension.

Try it now: Was Willie Brown warned not to fly on 9/11? True or False?

[mhatrw]

33. True. Otherwise what exactly was the point of the article?

Please explain in your own words what the article was trying to say.

[greyl]

35. I'm happy to let the article speak for itself.

I have no qualms with what that article says, like I have no qualms with what this other sfgate article says:

"Former U.S. Secretary of State George Shultz said yesterday that he was "startled" by a little-noticed State Department memo that was issued a week ago and warned that Americans "may be the target of a terrorist threat."

The memo, issued just four days before the attacks on New York and Washington, identified the threat as coming from "extremist groups with links to Osama bin Ladin's al Qaeda organization."

"I have not idea what intelligence lies behind the warning," Shultz said, ''but they put this out because they had some sort of intelligence."

Shultz, who served as secretary of state under President Reagan, said he received a copy of the Sept. 7 "worldwide warning" in his San Francisco office on the day before the fatal attacks. The memo addressed concerns for Americans overseas and made no mention of any possible attack on U.S. soil...

Officials at San Francisco International Airport said they weren't aware of the State Department warning - but someone in the airport security section knew of it and passed word of the warning onto Mayor Willie Brown when he called to check on the status of flight he was planning to take to New York.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/14/MN92245.DTL&type=printable

[BootinUp]

21. Where did it say he was warned not to fly on 9/11???

Was it written in disappearing ink in your link?

[mhatrw]

25. What was the title of that PDB again, Condi?

Oh, yeah:

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

[greyl]

28. "It was not an abnormal call." - Willie Brown.

The question in the OP has been answered.

He was not warned not to fly on 9/11.

[mhatrw]

32. What is it with you?

War is Peace.

Ignorance is Strength.

An Article Stating Willie Brown Was Warned Not To Fly on 9/11 Proves He Was Not Warned Not To Fly on 9/11.

JUST READ THE HEADLINE!

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel

Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross

Wednesday, September 12, 2001

Phillip Matier & Andrew Ross

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

[greyl]

34. Call me a careful reader. nt

[mhatrw]

36. A careful reader? More doublespeak.

You are contending that the San Francisco Chronicle wrote a 9/12/01 article entitled "Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel" to tell us that Willie Brown was NOT warned about flying on 9/11.

Do you realize how ridiculous (but typical) this is?

[greyl]

37. Your reply is pathetic.

When you come across evidence that Willie Brown was warned not to fly* on 9/11, please share it.

*"warned not to fly" meaning "warned not to fly"

[mhatrw]

39. Well, what was he warned about then?

Or does that depend on what the definition of "was" is?

[greyl]

41. I thought you read the article.

http://www.911myths.com/html/willie_brown.html

[mhatrw]

42. So typical of that site.

War is Peace. Ignorance is Strength. http://www.911myths.com is Truthful.

[greyl]

43. I knew it. That site links to the same fucking article you've been.

Please, in the name of Willie Brown, stop saying that he was warned not to fly on 9/11.

[mhatrw]

45. Of course you knew it. It's your Bible. n/t

[greyl]

47. You misunderstand.

What I "knew" was that you'd attack 911myths.com instead of staying on the subject.
It's just hilarious to me that the quote you've been using during this thread is one that 911myths highlights and links to.

[DoYouEverWonder]

49. Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel

September 12, 2001

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

Would you like to retract you accusation?

[greyl]

50. Yeah, no kidding.

I've linked to the article myself.

You said "He claims that he was warned not to fly on 9-11."

That is false.

[mhatrw]

8. That's what he said at the time.

I heard him say it on the news.

[screembloodymurder]

9. If he said it, he should have been questioned.

Did the 911 Commission question Brown?

[Extend a Hand]

10. from the Sept 12, 2001 San Francisco Chronicle...

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

Mike McCarron, assistant deputy director at SFO, said the Federal Aviation Administration "routinely" issues security notices about possible threats. He said two or three such notices have been received in the past couple of months, but none in recent days.

Whatever the case, Brown didn't think about it again until he was up, dressed and waiting for his ride to the airport for an 8 a.m. flight to New York, where he was to attend a state retirement board meeting. That was when he turned on the TV, and like millions of other Americans, saw the twin towers of the World Trade Center crumble and the Pentagon go up in smoke.

[greyl]

12. No, it isn't. False memory, I suppose. nt

[mhatrw]

14. Why don't you give us his exact quote, then?

You call me a liar with no evidence to back your contention?

[greyl]

17. I didn't call you a liar.

Could you read more carefully, please?

[DoYouEverWonder]

57. I did too

I remember him on TV answering questions about being warned not to fly on 9-11.

However, the OCTers want to make you waste your time argue about nonsense. Don't let them get you too distracted. It's not worth wasting your time.

[greyl]

11. No, he wasn't.

Let alone "no proof" for a warning not to fly, there isn't even any evidence that he was warned not to fly on 9/11.

[mhatrw]

15. I SAW him make the statement that he was warned.

Did he or did he not make the statements attributed to him in the below article?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel

Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross

Wednesday, September 12, 2001

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind. "It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

[greyl]

16. You did not

see him make a statement that he was warned not to fly.

Can you admit that please?

[mhatrw]

20. Sure, I did. Why are you questioning this?

He gets asked this question ALL THE TIME, and he freely admits that he was warned, although he always tries to deflect further questioning by saying it wasn't the first time he was warned not to fly and that it wasn't anything too unusual. I also heard him say the same thing on the radio. He had a radio show (with some partner) in SF for awhile and they took questions from callers every day.

[greyl]

26. No, you didn't.

I'm not questioning anything, I'm making a positive assertion.

[mhatrw]

29. Based on what? Can you prove he's never said what he obviously DID say?

What was Willie Brown taking about in these direct quotes if not a warning against flying on 9/11?

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel

Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross

Wednesday, September 12, 2001

Phillip Matier & Andrew Ross

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

[greyl]

31. Did he obviously say he was warned not to fly on 9/11?

Hell no!

Will conspiracy theory sites ever be re-written in accordance with the evidence?

Maybe! Some of them! Definitely not most of them, though!

[mhatrw]

38. Article Title = "Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel"

However, as representative of many OCTer's typical "logic", you contend that this means that Willie Brown did NOT get a low-key early warning about air travel on 9/11.

[greyl]

40. Invincible Ignorance.

"you contend that this means that Willie Brown did NOT get a low-key early warning about air travel on 9/11."

That is totally untrue statement, and guess what? You have zero evidence to base it on.

[mhatrw]

44. So you are just splitting semantical hairs here?

What puerile sophistry.

What is the difference -- other than sophistical -- between being warned about traveling by air and being warned not to fly?

[greyl]

46. Mom said "Be careful driving today. It's icy."

Mom said "I don't think you should drive today. It's icy."

One of those statements includes a warning not to drive. According to your logic in this thread, however, they are both warnings not to drive. It is not puerile or sophist to recognize such.

[mhatrw]

51. Except the weather was great that day in both SF & NYC.

So in your mind, what was the threat supposed to be? How could a plane passenger possibly "be careful" against it?

The apt analogy would be "Be careful driving today. The mob may have rigged your car with a bomb."

More critically, what difference does it make concerning possible foreknowledge if Brown was warned not to fly or "just" to "be careful" while flying?

[Will Scoffield]

60. Headline writers, they're a funny bunch.

Haven't you ever noticed that the headline often does not match the actual facts of the story?

[mhatrw]

62. Not in this case. n/t

[Name removed]

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[Nozebro]

55. Maybe all the OCT'er was doing was wasting time by distraction

Sometimes it seems like OCT'ers will say anything to disrupt, distract, and discourage people from getting the truth out about 9/11. Reminds me of the long-standing GOP policy of using tactics designed to discourage people from even bothering to go to the polls. They know they can't win an election any other way. The numbers just aren't there. Their voters WILL vote, but there aren't enough of them to win if the Democrats can get their voters to particpate.

Think maybe that kind of thinking has crept into the minds of the OCT'ers here - otherwise, how do you explain their aggressiveness? You don't normally expect PROGRESSIVE DEMOCRATS (and they are, AREN'T they? aren't they?) to be that way, right? These folks here seem h---bent on picking a gnat until everybody ends up so frustrated they just go home. THAT is a WIN for them...in their eyes. It's all in the game of true lies, propaganda, and disinformation.

[AZCat]

61. As opposed to the game of distortion...

currently being played in this thread?

Please explain to me how promoting accuracy (which greyl is doing) is equivalent to "disrupt(ing), distract(ing), and discourage(ing)" because I don't understand.

[BootinUp]

52. Maybe I can clear this up, lol.

I would answer yes if the question was worded this way.

On September 10 2001 was Willie Brown told that Americans traveling by air should be cautious by his security staff?

[greyl]

53. I would also answer yes.

"The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/chronicle/archive/2001/09/12/MN229389.DTL

[RedSock]

59. i agree with greyl

Read the article. It's pretty clear.

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Willie Brown got low-key early warning about air travel
By Phillip Matier, Andrew Ross
Wednesday, September 12, 2001

For Mayor Willie Brown, the first signs that something was amiss came late Monday when he got a call from what he described as his airport security - - a full eight hours before yesterday's string of terrorist attacks -- advising him that Americans should be cautious about their air travel.

no warning NOT to fly, it said "be cautious" -- and it wasn't even a personal warning. it talks about all Americans being careful

The mayor, who was booked to fly to New York yesterday morning from San Francisco International Airport, said the call "didn't come in any alarming fashion, which is why I'm hesitant to make an alarming statement."

nothing about a warning, nothing about cancelling his flight

In fact, at the time, he didn't pay it much mind.

"It was not an abnormal call. I'm always concerned if my flight is going to be on time, and they always alert me when I ought to be careful."

nothing about a warning, nothing about cancelling his flight; only "be careful"

Exactly where the call came from is a bit of a mystery. The mayor would say only that it came from "my security people at the airport."

nothing about a warning, nothing about cancelling his flight

***************

the timing might seem odd, and he can't say where the call came from (if i was brown i'd be curious about it), but it's clear that told him:

"for god's sake willie, do not fly tomorrow morning!!!!"

[Nozebro]

63. The intent & meaning are clear, but if you were trying to defend the OCT,

you'd probably consider the Clintonian defemse of parsing words. What else can they do? The facts, logic, common sense, and coverup aren't on the side of the OCT'ers, so they try a little of whatever will pass as sounding reasonably like they may be on to something...other than more BullSpinning.

[Nozebro]

64. The intent & meaning are clear, but if you were trying to defend the OCT,

you'd probably consider the Clintonian defense of parsing words. What else can they do? The facts, logic, common sense, and coverup aren't on the side of the OCT'ers, so they try a little of whatever will pass as sounding reasonably like they may be on to something...other than more BullSpinning.

[FoxOnTheRun]

54. Brownie did a heck of a job, but Ashcroft is more important

he switched to a private plane in July

http://www.911pressfortruth.com/

[mhatrw]

56. More documented advance warnings

http://911research.wtc7.net/sept11/warnings.html

[rinsd]

58. Here's what Willy had to say recently.

Here's what Willy Brown had to say about the whole thing

"
Brown's warning: In the five years since 9/11, the question of how then-San Francisco Mayor Willie Brown got a warning about flying that day continues to live on in the blogosphere -- and conspiracy theories abound.

"The latest version is that Condoleezza Rice alerted me personally,'' Brown said this week. "It's all part of the ongoing myth."

The "myth" has its origins in the night before the attacks, when Brown called "my security people at the airport'' to check on his flight to New York the next morning.

What the mayor got from his source was a warning that Americans should be concerned about traveling.

http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2006/09/13/BAGG9L4KI81.DTL

I had to stop because of DU fair use rules but read the rest of the article, the Brown bit starts in the middle.