So what does it look like when a plane crashes at 500mph?

[BootinUp]

thats over 700 ft per second.

Other than the WTC south tower crash or the FLT 93 pictures are there any other pictures of plane wreckage at that speed or video of it? All of you who say the hole in Shanksburg wasn't from a 747 going straight down, what did caused that hole anyways?


**warning graphic pics**





Picture of car meeting tree at very high speed (about 1/5 the speed of FLT 93)

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Well it still looks like a car

and the tree doesn't look like it's going to collapse anytime soon.

[BootinUp]

2. Cars are a bit sturdier than planes

not having to fly and lots of steel and such.

[cherokeeprogressive]

19. My XO died in a crash in 1988. His A-6E first developed a fuel leak

at the "wing-root". His wingman informed him that there was fluid streaming from his starboard "wing-root"

Their flight level was about 1000ft and their airspeed was about 378kts. Nine seconds after his wingman's radio message that he saw fluid...

The starboard wing of the A-6E folded in-flight and the aircraft "corkscrewed" into the ground and made a huge "smoking hole".

The BN (a "nugget" pilot) punched out and survived.

I was called in the middle of the night and assigned to the "recovery team".

We walked a debris field that stretched about 3/4 of a mile, and at its widest point was about 125 yards wide. We were given little yellow flags (2" x 2") to place where we found human remains. I found an eyeball still attached to the muscles that make it turn left/right/up/down.

We picked up EVERY FUCKING PIECE OF THAT AIRPLANE.

The largest part (other than the engines) was no larger than a basketball. The engines (Pratt and Whitney J-52's) were reduced to the size of a Chevy 350 V-8 engine block.

We spent eight weeks identifying the parts, and laying them out inside of an outline of the A-6E.

In those eight weeks, I cried numerous times. This was the A/C I worked on night and day. All a Pilot had to tell me was what it did or didn't do while he was flying it and I had a good idea of what might have been wrong.

I have PERSONAL EXPERIENCE OF WHAT AN AIRPLANE LEAVES BEHIND WHEN IT CRASHES. It leaves pieces no larger than a basketball.

[BootinUp]

20. thanks for sharing that

I am hoping it helps people understand better what happens in these crashes.

[shugh514]

3. Is there a link to this story?

Did the car only hit that tree?
Were there other vehicles involved?
Is that the Autobahn?

[BootinUp]

4. It is the Autobahn, pretty good. You've been there? (link)

scroll down. Not much of a story though.


http://www.bikeroute.com/Recumbents/News/Archives/2004_05.html

[shugh514]

6. Never been there - Just simple deduction

There is a non-US plate on the rear of the car in photo #2.
The car was traveling at a high rate of speed - the Autobahn.
That premise would be supported by spectators that resemble youths I've seen in other photos from the region.

What does it have to do with plane crashes on 9/11?

[BootinUp]

7. "What does it have to do with plane crashes..."

Well, only that it is a picture of a vehicle that has crashed at very high speed and may enlighten some as to how much distortion does occur to vehicles at very high speed. Other than that....not much. I also ask for people to show other pictures of plane crashes that occurred at speeds similar to the planes that struck the towers. I could not find any after a modest effort.

[FoxOnTheRun]

8. I does not look like the Autobahn

more like a Bundestraße with a speed limit of 100 km/h that's about 62 mph,
but of course he was speeding.

The Autobahn has sometimes no speed limit .

And if you have a Bugatti with 987 hp, you can drive 210 mph or more.
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0511_900_Bugatti_Veyron+2006_Bugatti_Veyron_EB_16_4+Full_Front_View.jpg
http://www.automobilemag.com/reviews/coupes/0511_bugatti_veryon/

[DoYouEverWonder]

5. Too bad we have to speculate

You would think there would be at least a few pictures from the WTC that show what a steel beam or column looks like after a 767 has flown threw it.

[Ezlivin]

9. You are out of your mind

All the steel from the terrorist attacks had to be hauled away with GPS-guided trucks immediately and then shipped to China for recycling.

We didn't need a criminal investigation because our Glorious Leader already knew who did it, why they did it and had a plan in hand for them.

While they were hauling the steel away for destruction, Cheney and his staff were poppin' Cipro.

Oh yeah, we can trust these guys....

[dailykoff]

10. Exactly.

This is what makes the planes hitting the WTC so hard to believe. Notice that the car, made of steel, doesn't penetrate, get past, or even particularly damage the trees, which are relatively slender and made of wood.

That's just what I'd expect a passenger plane to have done if it had hit the WTC perimeter columns, which were quite substantial and closely spaced on 3-1/2' centers -- break up and wrap around them, but not pentetrate, pass through, or badly damage them.

No hole, in other words.

[BootinUp]

11. So nobody really saw a 767 penetrate the WTC towers?

I might need another drink.

[dailykoff]

14. People saw a lot of things,

including planes flying to and from the towers, fireballs, helicopters, and missiles fired from the top of the Woolworth Building (just saying), but to my knowledge, no credible witness actually saw a 767 penetrate the towers, no.

For that we have only the cameras of CNN, the Naudet brothers, and Dolores whatshername (can't remember, sorry) whose miraculous plane shot exactly matches a frame of CNN video.

:shrug:

[BootinUp]

15. I disagree, there was a survivor in the building

just below the point of impact who saw it, I saw a recent program where he was interviewed. And then there is probably a big enough difference between the way steel absorbs impacts and wood or trees that I would not make the comparison the way you did. But it the OP was probably not the best post I have made anyways.

[dailykoff]

18. I watched Colin Powell tell the UN General Assembly

that the US had evidence of WMD in Iraq. Turns out he was lying. People do.



p.s. steel is stronger than wood, but aluminum is weaker than steel, so a plane wouldn't have gotten past those perimeter columns, or at least much of it.

[FoxOnTheRun]

12. I think it's 100 t aircraft plus 100 t fuel and payload.

It's a big mass. If you took a truck, the oak would be gone.....

[Sinti]

13. Here ya go, Jim - video with a few angles

Jet hitting a concrete wall at 500 mph

http://www.break.com/index/concreteplane.html

It makes a mess - jet nearly vaporizes. The titanium engines, though, would probably be the surviving bit in a large passenger plane.

[BootinUp]

16. Thanks, thats what I was looking for.

But they must be joking about the pilot.

[FoxOnTheRun]

17. That's why they flew the plane into the reinforced section of the pentagon