A LIHOP/MIHOP combined theory

[boolean]

Ok, how about this.

I've never been a believer of MIHOP. I've always been skeptical of LIHOP, but open to the SLIGHT possibility.

But why can't it be both? Consider this: Members of a very SMALL cabal in the bush administration (Rove, Cheney, etc) get wind that Osama Bin Laden is planning an attack. They keep bush in the dark about the whole thing. (Really, there is NO WAY bush knew about it before hand. It's been clear from the very beginning of his presidency that he's a puppet).

I've always had a problem with MIHOP because it seems way too unnecessarily complicated. They'd have to find a way to control the planes remotely, or substitute them for "fake" missile planes, they'd have to set it up so the towers fell perfectly, etc....It's just too much. A simpler MIHOP conspiracy would've been to simply drive a truck full of explosives into the parking lot and blow the towers up a la the 1993 bombing.

No, no, MIHOP is bullshit. HOWEVER, there are certain parts that could've been added to the attack. The falling of WTC 7, for example. There are legitimate reasons to bring that building down, and I'll admit it DID look like an actual demolition (as opposed to the twin towers, which did NOT look like a demolition. Stop deluding yourselves). Since they knew the terrorists would hit the towers, and they knew there would be chaos all around, deliberately destroying WTC 7 would be easy to accomplish and would be easily believed.

Then there's the Pentagon. Here's a wild theory: Flight 93 was part of the actual terrorist attack orchestrated by Bin Laden, but it was SHOT DOWN. 93 was meant for the White House and they couldn't have that. However, that does not mean they couldn't conveniently ignore the plane that was headed for the pentagon. Again, this is LIHOP, not MIHOP, but they did "make it happen" by shooting down flight 93, which was headed for a target that even to them was far too important to mess with. (After all, they still needed a functioning government to get all the shit they got out of 9/11: The Iraq war, Patriot act, etc...)

What I'm saying here basically is that for the most part, the "let it happen", but they also "helped" a little bit. What do you think?

[petgoat]

1. That's "FIHOP:" facilitated it happen on purpose.

Really, the difference between LIHOP and MIHOP is just the question
of whether Osama was wearing his CIA hat when he ordered the attacks
(assuming he did order the attacks). He could recruit patsies who
honestly thought they were attacking the Great Satan, but still working
for the CIA all along.

[canetoad]

2. Build a database

Columns could be all the variations on ...HOP, rows - they can be whatever you like.

What the hell happened to people having an opinion.

Now I happen to agree with you on one thing only, that GW probably was purposely kept in the dark. The rest I am still trying to figure out, but I have ideas that are plausible and possible - and lacking firm evidence to the contrary, I'm goning to work with those ideas until they are proven to not be possible or plausible. But I'll be dammed if you can induce me to commit to a groupthink.

People and their opinions cannot be databased unless you build one with INFINITE rows and columns, because that is exactly how diverse the human race is. Yep, I know for the purposes of gathering stats we must limit choices to the best of four or five. What do you do with someone who is outside the parameters of the questions? Slot them into the closest?

I'm sorry, I know your post was made in good faith but this is important to me. I admit to being guilty of throwing out the 'OCT' disparagement, but only in response to 'tin foiler' comments. I for one, not interested in trading insult for insult in sarcastic terms because that diminishes everyone and detracts from the main aim of getting to the bottom of what really happened on 911.

Maybe it is an indication of the times we live in, when everyone must chose from one of four buttons to express their view. To me it is not that simple.

[rman]

3. "find a way to control the planes remotely" - no, the technology exists

since the 60's. Same for the conception of a plan to swap a real plane for a drone.
See Operation Northwoods:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Northwood

Operation Northwoods or Northwoods was the code name for various false flag actions, including domestic terror attacks (such as involving the use of "hijacked" planes) on U.S. soil, proposed in 1962 by senior U.S. Department of Defense leaders to generate U.S. public support for military action against Cuba.

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In response to a request for pretexts for military intervention by the Chief of Operations, Cuba Project (Col. Edward Lansdale), the document lists methods (with, in some cases, outline plans) the author believed would garner public and international support for US military intervention in Cuba. These are staged attacks purporting to be of Cuban origin, with a number of them having real casualties. Central to the plan was the use of "friendly Cubans" —right-wing Cuban exiles seeking to oust Fidel Castro and establish an anti-communist state —perhaps similar to the earlier Batista regime.

The suggestions included:

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- Destroying an unmanned drone masquerading as a commercial aircraft supposedly full of "college students off on a holiday". This proposal was the one supported by the Joint Chiefs of Staff.

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[FoxOnTheRun]

4. Without the 15 war games, the planes would have been shot down

It's MIHOP and Rumsfeld, Cheney & Meyers certainly knew what they were doing

[John Q. Citizen]

5. Have you read Welcome to Terrorland? Read it free on line at

the online library:
http://www.american-buddha.com/911.welcometoterrorlandhopsicker.htm
free registration required. (just a name, choose a password, and an e-mail address) quick easy.

This investigative journalism book looks at Mohamed Atta's time in Florida, who he hung out with, where he stayed, what locals observed and knew, the people who ran the flight schools where three of the four 9/11 pilot/suspects trained.

This book does not deal with controlled demolition of any of the 3 buildings that fell, the attack on the Pentagon, or the downing of flight 93. If you are interested in what happened on 9/11, please check it out. It will give you much more insight to form theories.

They also have Synthetic Terror, Made in the USA on line there. Another good book. just use the search function on the site to find the book.

I recomend this to you because you may notice that almost all of the MIHOP/LIHOP debunkers only post in and dispute topics dealing with the collapse of the 3 buildings, the attack on the Pentagon, the downing of flight 93 in PA.

They (MIHOP/LIHOP debunkers)almost never address the activities of the hijack suspects priot to 9/11, who the suspects knew, how they came to be here, and how they escaped detection. They also don't address movies such as 9/11 Press for Truth which is available for free down load and viewing at
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083

[pauldp]

6. The physical evidence is a red herring. Pakistan is the smoking gun.

Not that the physical evidence is not suspicious, much of it is very suspicious. It's just that it has almost all been destroyed
so arguing about it is ultimately a waste of energy if the goal is to get to the truth quickly.

To understand how it was an inside job I think one just has to understand the Pakistani connections -
The ISI manipulates Al Qaeda, and the CIA built the ISI.

There is evidence the ISI paid for 911 and that Pakistani officials compromised the 911 Commission.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/cms.dll/html/uncomp/articleshow?msid=107432
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp

As John Q. said - 911 Press for Truth lays out the cover up and the connections without jumping to conclusions,
but the implications are clear.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1016720641536424083