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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 07:01 PM
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My favorite quote from the 911 report
Edited on Sat Sep-16-06 07:02 PM by FoxOnTheRun

"To date, the US government has not been able to determine the origin of the money used for the 9/11 attacks. Ultimately the question is of little practical significance"



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mirandapriestly Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 08:48 PM
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1. Isn't that just unbelieveable, well, believable
also, when it was stated that the ISI paymaster was just "an internet rumor". I think that was one of the cable news shows, argh.
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:33 AM
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6. You think Pakistan & OBL are the perps? I think it was an INside job. nt
n/t
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:11 PM
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8. ISI had to chip in as well
After all it was a joint invasion of Afghanistan, so the other member states had to pay entry fee...

Think of it a $1,000,000 admission fee to invade a country... and as usual everybody was more than happy to participate (this world has gone mad I tell ya...)
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Nozebro Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:40 PM
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9. Yes, but there's something fishy about that $100K. Why would "they"

allow it to be so easily discovered? I think the ISI Head's (General? Chief?) timely visit to Washington is suspicious. Possible set up? Some kind of inoculation move? YOU probably have a better idea of what was going on than me, so what do YOU make of that visit (and the $100K)? Was it to somehow help seal Osama's fate as the prime pastie?
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 02:48 PM
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10. It's the George H.W. Bush deal with the muslim countries
They can use the CIA and be equal partners, howveer they have to make the primary investments. That was the deal Poppy made with the Saudis and it also includes the other countries like Pakistan, Kuwait, UAE. Basically they are equal partners now, but they have to take the risk because the CIA had some critism in the past, so the initial investments of black operations have to come from the Saudis etc. They are more than willing to do it, because it means that they are now both equal partners and they have so much money that it doesn't matter anyhow.
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 03:09 PM
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11. Short introduction to the Safari Club
Edited on Mon Sep-18-06 03:11 PM by DrDebug
Basically Congress wanted oversight of the CIA during the Carter administration, because the Church committee and other investigations turned up much wrong-doing, so George H.W. Bush made a deal with Saudis like he had previously done with his oil companies.


(...)

Continuing with analysis of the Fifth Column that assisted the Islamofascists who perpetrated the 9/11 attacks, the program accesses information from a VERY important new book “Prelude to Terror” by Joseph J. Trento. In this book, the author sets forth information about the Safari Club, an “outsourced” intelligence network in which the Saudis financed a privatized espionage establishment that dominated American intelligence operations for the better part of a quarter of a century. Utilizing the Saudi GID and the Pakistani ISI as proxy agencies, this network ran the Iran-Contra, Iraqgate and Afghan mujahideen efforts. The most significant outgrowth of this network was the birth of al Qaeda, with all that has resulted from its conception. One of the points that Trento makes is the fact that outsourcing U.S. intelligence operations eliminated the necessary function of counterintelligence—monitoring one’s allies in order to verify their loyalty and competence. The failure to conform to this basic tenet of intelligence has haunted the U.S., and will continue to do so. It is important to note that the elder George Bush and the Reagan administrations were at the core of the Safari Club. The Safari Club was specifically created to circumvent Congressional and even Presidential oversight!

(...)

The Safari Club began during the period when the elder George Bush was director of the CIA. Long an intimate of the Saudi power elite, the elder Bush (like his son) was deeply connected to the Saudi intelligence milieu at the core of the Safari Club. “ . . . During George Bush’s Zapata- Offshore years, he had met most of the Gulf region’s royals and had developed close personal relationships with several of them. When Saudi money began flowing into Texas in the 1970’s, Bush and his family became very friendly with the most influential Saudis living in the United States.” (Ibid.; p. 100.)

(...)

The official rationale for the establishment of the Safari Club was the alleged handicapping of U.S. intelligence by Congressional investigations of the 1970’s. Not mentioned in the passage quoted here is the fact that the House Select Committee on Assassinations was established at this time, looking into the assassinations of President Kennedy and Dr. Martin Luther King. It is Mr. Emory’s view that this investigation is the one that most vexed U.S. intelligence, not the tame Church Committee or the even tamer Rockefeller Commission. “Both Prince Turki and Sheikh Kamal Adham would play enormous roles in servicing a spy network designed to replace the official CIA while it was under Congressional scrutiny between the time of Watergate and the end of the Carter administration. The idea of using the Saudi royal family to bypass the American Constitution did not originate in the Kingdom. Adham was initially approached by one of the most respected and powerful men in Washington, Clark Clifford, who rose to power under Harry Truman and had enjoyed a relationship with the intelligence community for years. ‘Clark Clifford approached Kamal Adham and asked that the Saudis consider setting up an informal intelligence network outside the United States during the investigations,’ Robert Crowley said. Crowley, in his role as the CIA’s liaison to the corporate world, was privy to the plan, in which worldwide covert operations for the Agency were funded through a host of Saudi banking and charity enterprises. Several top U.S. military and intelligence officials directed the operations from positions they held overseas, notably former CIA director Richard Helms, at this time Ambassador to Iran.” (Ibid.; p. 101.)

(...)

Note that among the benefits for Saudi intelligence was a comprehensive knowledge of U.S. intelligence operations. Coupled with the Saudis’ acquisition of sensitive keyword software developed by the NSA, the foundation was laid for a deep penetration of, and subversion of U.S. intelligence by those elements of Saudi intelligence, Pakistani intelligence and the Muslim Brotherhood that were sympathetic to Osama bin Laden. “Adham worked closely with George Bush on the plan to provide covert banking services for CIA operations. Like most things the Saudis do, there were benefits for the royal family. The arrangement would give the Saudis a comprehensive knowledge of U.S. intelligence operations. In 1976, when the CIA needed an influx of cash for operations, Adham agreed to allow Nugan Hand Bank’s Bernie Houghton to open a branch in Saudi Arabia.” (Idem.)

(...)

http://www.spitfirelist.com/f522.html
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:22 PM
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13. I have Trento's book, but had no time to read it

Maybe I'll give it a try, although I think it's not the full picture
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DrDebug Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Sep-19-06 02:03 AM
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15. It is just one aspect
Edited on Tue Sep-19-06 02:04 AM by DrDebug
You'll notice that there are many thing Trento doesn't even know and he still believes some OCT myths.

What makes it interesting is that it gives an insight into how the "muslim" countries got tied into all these weird things and actively making things worse as well. So Saudi Arabia, Kuwait and Pakistan don't care about the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq, because that's what they wanted as well. They are also actively allowing propaganda for fake groups like al-Qaeda so that the muslim extremists go to Iraq in a sick NIMBY (Not In My Back Yard) mentality. The same with the anti-American sentiments which is just show for the masses as well; just like the anti-Muslim sentiments of the Bush gang is show. They are partners and have been partners for decades now.
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Sinti Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 10:07 PM
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14. How about accomplices? Think about the money to be made by
the folks involved in this. Think of UBL's family, they are raking it in, as are the Saudi Royals, especially with the skyrocketing price of oil, and of course, the American leaders who brought you this GWOT fiasco are making the cream money - not the change their underlings are pilfering.

ISI has been funding/supporting both the Taliban and Al Qaeda for a long time. They started with the Mujaheddin in the late '70s-early '80s. It is vital to them to have friends on that border, they gave their friends the guns and other necessities of war, so they could hold down the fort next door for them. To not include them if it's going to be Al Qaeda or Taliban related would look really funny.

Does anyone know where that Paki head of ISI is now? It's not like they arrested him. Government work doesn't pay jack, you do it to get the contacts and experience for the next job. That's an interesting new angle for me to poke at. :)
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Sven77 Donating Member (645 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Sep-16-06 10:19 PM
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2. two off the top of my head
SEPTEMBER 11: WHAT YOU “OUGHT NOT TO KNOW”
DOCUMENT 199-I AND THE FBI’S WORDS TO CHILL THE SOUL
Published by Greg Palast September 10th, 2004
by Greg Palast

http://www.gregpalast.com/september-11-what-you-ought-not-to-knowrndocument-199-i-and-the-fbis-words-to-chill-the-soul

The Pakistan connection
There is evidence of foreign intelligence backing for the 9/11 hijackers. Why is the US government so keen to cover it up?
Michael Meacher
Thursday July 22, 2004

http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,,1266317,00.html
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:24 AM
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3. They are not very good at covering up
Senator Bob Graham, chairman of the Senate select committee on intelligence, has said: "I think there is very compelling evidence that at least some of the terrorists were assisted, not just in financing ... by a sovereign foreign government." In that context, Horst Ehmke, former coordinator of the West German secret services, observed: "Terrorists could not have carried out such an operation with four hijacked planes without the support of a secret service."

That might give meaning to the reaction on 9/11 of Richard Clarke, the White House counter-terrorism chief, when he saw the passenger lists later on the day itself: "I was stunned ... that there were al-Qaida operatives on board using names that the FBI knew were al-Qaida." It was just that, as Dale Watson, head of counter-terrorism at the FBI told him, the "CIA forgot to tell us about them".
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 09:39 AM
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4. Just another "intelligence failure" like WMD in Iraq. It's all just a
big "mistake," really. Honest.


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pauldp Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 11:30 AM
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5. Could it be that line was a result of this...?
http://www.telegraphindia.com/1060313/asp/nation/story_5962372.asp

<snip>
New Delhi, March 12: The Pakistan foreign office had paid tens of thousands of dollars to lobbyists in the US to get anti-Pakistan references dropped from the 9/11 inquiry commission report, The Friday Times has claimed
<snip>
It claimed that some of the commission members were also bribed to prevent them from including damaging information about Pakistan.
<snip>
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FoxOnTheRun Donating Member (829 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 01:40 PM
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7. Then we get to other questions like,
Who finances the Pakistani ISI?
What conflict of interests do Kean, Hamilton and Zelikow have?
Why is the President/General Musharraf sometimes live with Wolf Blitzer on CNN?


The international environment for Bin Ladin's efforts was ideal. Saudi Ara-
bia and the United States supplied billions of dollars worth of secret assistance
to rebel groups in Afghanistan fighting the Soviet occupation. This assistance
was funneled through Pakistan:the Pakistani military intelligence service (Inter-
Services Intelligence Directorate, or ISID), helped train the rebels and dis-
tribute the arms. But Bin Ladin and his comrades had their own sources of
support and training, and they received little or no assistance from the
United States.
from the 911 report

They won't tell you who created the ISI and they downplay they role of US funding and Bin Laden's CIA career.


It's all a big swamp and Pakistan has certainly a role to play but it's certainly not the origin.
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mhatrw Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Sep-18-06 05:00 PM
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12. You've heard of plausible deniability.
This is implausible ignorability.
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