JEB DECLARES MARTIAL LAW IN FLA 4 DAYS BEFORE WTC QUESTION??

[westcor]

http://rds.yahoo.com/_ylt=A0geupngCg5FAi0AxQdXNyoA;_ylu=X3oDMTE2dTg1YWd2BGNvbG8DZQRsA1dTMQRwb3MDNQRzZWMDc3IEdnRpZANGODE1Xzgw/SIG=12hs45tdo/EXP=1158634592/**http%3a//www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi%3fread=12014

Does anyone know why Jeb Bush declared martial law a few days before 9/11?

[CarlVK]

1. This topic has aleady been posted somewhere else.

[Whoa_Nelly]

2. Could you redo your URL using www.tinyurl.com?

It's so long, and all I get is a current Yahoo page, and the rumnormill page doesn't link.

Thanks

[bobbieinok]

3. I asked students from FL---they said it was b/c of hurricane coming

That's what they said.

I don't think it was ever pursued (surprise!!!!).

We could start a list of the 9-11 stories that just 'died.'

[grytpype]

4. It must be because he knew the attack was coming, he's a conspirator.

At least you spelled "martial" right.

[westcor]

5. hum

how can this story just stop, seriously

[OldSiouxWarrior]

6. Simple. He didn't.

The last time Martial Law was declared in the U.S. for in Hawaii during WWII. The rumor is completely, totally, absolutely false. Of course, the fact that it is false makes it all the more believable for idiot conspiracy types.

[westcor]

7. ahh

thats what i thought, wondering why there wasnt more info on it

[tenseconds]

10. no

It is not false.

[OldSiouxWarrior]

13. Link to news story about Martial Law, Please?

If Jeb had really declared Martial Law, it would have been major news. Therefore a solid link to a news story about it should be available.

[salvorhardin]

24. It's not a link to Yahoo

The OP's link redirect's to Rumor Mill News, a conspiracist site
www.rumormillnews.com/cgi-bin/archive.cgi%3fread=12014

Rumor Mill News is owned by Rayelan Allan according to the DNS registry, who is a New World Order conspiracy theorist and believes the CIA has a contract out to kill her and has failed at least 6 times.

In the next two years, six more attempts were made to kill her. On Christmas Eve, 1992, she sat in her darkened room, with a Glock 9 millimeter in her lap. The Director of the CIA had put a contract out on her. If she survived the night, and the flight, she would be under the protection of her husband’s Godfather, the President of Austria...
http://www.rumormillnews.com/AMAZING_LIFE.htm

According to this page, I would suspect Rayelan also practices some form of extreme right wing or Christian identity politics...

Rumor Mill News was started in June of 1996 by Gunther and Rayelan Russbacher and several of Gunther's colleagues. Gunther and two of his best friends were the men who gave Paul Wilcher the information that is contained in the Wilcher Report

Paul Wilcher was a lawyer and investigator who had met Gunther and Rayelan shortly after Gunther had gone public that he was the October Surprise Pilot. This revelation on Gunther's part, earned him a 21 year prison sentence.
http://www.rumormillnews.com/wilcher.htm

Rayelan also owns http://bloggernation.info where she has a copy of the website for The Cicada Foundation for some reason.
http://cicadafoundation.com

And I also found Rayelan owns this site where she is selling her book, among other things.
http://www.dianaqueenofheaven.com

[OldSiouxWarrior]

26. Wow. Thanks for that link.

From the linked site: When she began to hear voices,...

Says it all.

[salvorhardin]

27. ROFL!

Yeah, when someone says something like that there's pretty much no need to go any further is there? :rofl:

[DoYouEverWonder]

29. There is a difference between declaring Martial Law nationally

and declaring it locally.

They certainly declared Marshall Law after the Liberty City riots in Miami. Too bad they waited until the riots were over to do it. It was a joke to have to go through check points just to go home after everything had already settled down.

[Sven77]

8. Advanced Knowledge ?

FBI warned Attorney General Ashcroft not to fly by commercial airlines just before 9/11.
Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat.
Rushdie warned not to fly.

Public Officials Warned

Then political and media opponents of Bush get Anthrax letters. Which officals were on Cipro after 9/11 ?

Judicial Watch Wants to Know Why White House Went on Cipro Beginning September 11th

[RedSock]

12. not so for brown

Mayor of San Francisco Willie Brown was set to fly into New York on the morning of September 11. However, he got a call from what he described as his 'airport security' late September 10th advising against flying due to a security threat.

not true.

there is a long thread about this in the dungeon -- he was told that all Americans should be careful when travelling.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x116740

that's all.

...

now the two newsweek reports in september 2001 that top pentagon brass received an urgent warning on the night of 9/10 and cancelled travels plans for the next morning ... that might be worth something.

[City Lights]

9. Here's the executive order I think you're refering to:

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-261

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the statutory responsibility to provide support to law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard has the responsibility to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must train to meet such responsibilities; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard is funded for any such training by budgetary appropriation or grants before any such training; and

WHEREAS, the Florida National Guard must conduct such training in active service of the state, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes (also known as active military service and state active duty) for members of the Florida National Guard to be covered by Section 250.34, Florida Statutes; and

WHEREAS, as Governor, I may delegate the authority contained in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to order training to help respond to civil disturbances, natural disasters, and counter drug operations to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida; and

WHEREAS, it is in the best interest of the State of Florida that I delegate such authority, so that the Florida National Guard is adequately trained to meet its obligation to help respond to civil disturbances, natural disasters, and counter drug operations and so that members of the Florida National Guard performing such training are covered by Section 250.34, Florida Statutes; and

WHEREAS, the Governor may order the Florida National Guard to provide extraordinary support to law enforcement upon request and such a request has been received from the Florida Department of Law Enforcement (FDLE) to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections.

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution, and by Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:

Section 1.

Based upon the foregoing, I hereby find that the public welfare requires that the Florida National Guard train to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.

Section 2.

I hereby delegate to The Adjutant General of the State of Florida all necessary authority, within approved budgetary appropriations or grants, to order members of the Florida National Guard into active service, as defined by Section 250.27, Florida Statutes, for the purpose of training to support law-enforcement personnel and emergency-management personnel in the event of civil disturbances or natural disasters and to provide training support to law-enforcement personnel and community-based organizations relating to counter drug operations.

Section 3.

The Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active duty for service to the State of Florida pursuant to Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes, to assist FDLE in performing port security training and inspections. Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism, and inhibiting the smuggling of illegal drugs into the State of Florida, the use of the Florida National Guard to support FDLE in accomplishing port security training and inspections is "extraordinary support to law enforcement" as used in Section 250.06(4), Florida Statutes.

Section 4.

The Adjutant General shall not place members of the Florida National Guard into active service for longer than necessary to accomplish the purposes declared herein.

Section 5.

This Executive Order supersedes Executive Order Number 01-17. Executive Order Number 01-17 is hereby revoked.

Section 6.

This Executive Order shall remain in full force and effect until the earlier of its revocation or June 30, 2003.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and have caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 7th day of September 2001.

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-261-09-07-01.html

I have no idea why he did this. :shrug:

[OldSiouxWarrior]

14. That is NOT a declaration of Martial Law.

All that does is have the NG do some training in assisting Law Enforcement.

[City Lights]

16. I didn't say it WAS.

I said it's an Executive Order, which is what it is. You're jumping to conclusions. The OP talked about martial law. I provided the Executive Order I believe the OP was referring to.

[reorg]

20. it's not only about training

This Executive Order outlines the tasks of the National Guard. If you compare it to the Executive Order it replaces (01-17), you will note that section 3. is added, wherein it is explicitly stated that the "Florida National Guard may order selected members on to state active duty for service ... to assist FDLE in performing port security ... inspections.

Based on the potential massive damage to life and property that may result from an act of terrorism at a Florida port, the necessity to protect life and property from such acts of terrorism ... the use of the Florida National Guard to support FDLE in accomplishing port security ... inspections is "extraordinary support to law enforcement" ... ".

IOW, this new version of the EO, incidently signed 4 days prior to a certain well-known event, mentions a new task for the Florida National Guard, namely controlling the ports (borders) in the incident of an "act of terrorism". Terrorism was never mentioned in the previous version of the EO (01-17).

Like No Surrender, I have no idea why Mr. Jeb Bush did this. Although I can understand that people are wondering about this strange coincidence, particularly when four days later the same Mr. Jeb Bush actually declares a state of emergency and authorises his representative "to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity". In Florida, of all states, following a terrorist attack in other states.

[OldSiouxWarrior]

21. It still isn't Martial Law.

And that is my only point. One often sees threads here about Martial Law and it is obvious the poster knows nothing about Martial Law and has gone "Chicken Little". I thought the guy I answered was doing that.

[gbwarming]

22. Port security was a hot topic in summer 2001

Well, maybe not hot exactly, but senators Hollings and Graham (D-FL) offered a bill asking for more federal funding for port security. (Which was eventually adopted in Nov 2002). There had apparently been bomb threats against cruise ships earlier in the year.
http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/cpquery/?&dbname=cp107&sid=cp107bBxzw&refer=&r_n=sr064.107&item=&sel=TOC_17953&

USCG Admiral Loy testified at Senate hearings:
http://commerce.senate.gov/hearings/072401Loy.pdf

[City Lights]

11. Here's the EO he signed on 9-11:

EXECUTIVE ORDER NUMBER
01-262
(Emergency Management)

WHEREAS, on September 11, 2001 a combination of persons unknown carried out a series of terrorist acts resulting in the destruction of the World Trade Center in New York City and an explosion at the Pentagon, costing the lives of many persons and resulting in injuries to many more; and

WHEREAS, the scale of the destruction and the coordination, orchestration, and timing evident in these acts of terrorism suggest that they may be part of a larger pattern of acts of terrorism; and

NOW, THEREFORE, I, JEB BUSH, as Governor of Florida, by virtue of the authority vested in me by Article IV, Section 1(a) of the Florida Constitution and by the Florida Emergency Management Act, as amended, and all other applicable laws, do hereby promulgate the following Executive Order, to take immediate effect:

Section 1.

Because of the foregoing conditions, I hereby declare that a state of emergency exists in the State of Florida. I further find that the precautions needed to protect the State from a recurrence of such terrorist acts require a coordination of efforts by a number of agencies, and that central authority over these activities will be needed to ensure such coordination.

Section 2.

I hereby delegate to the Department of Law Enforcement the operational authority to coordinate and direct the law enforcement resources and other resources of any and all state, regional and local governmental agencies that the Department may designate to take the precautions needed to protect the State of Florida from terrorist acts. I hereby place all law enforcement resources under the operational authority of the Department of Law Enforcement while this Executive Order remains in effect, and I hereby designate the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement as Incident Commander for this emergency.

Section 3.

I hereby designate the Interim Director of the Division of Emergency Management as the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency, and as my Authorized Representative. In exercising the powers delegated by this Executive Order, the State Coordinating Officer shall lend all available operational support to the Commissioner of the Department of Law Enforcement, and shall confer with the Governor to the fullest extent practicable. In accordance with Sections 252.36(1)(a) and 252.36(5), Florida Statutes, I hereby delegate to the State Coordinating Officer the following powers, which he shall exercise as needed to meet this emergency:

The authority to activate the Comprehensive Emergency Management Plan;

The authority to invoke and administer the Statewide Mutual Aid Agreement, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources under that Agreement so as best to meet this emergency;

The authority to invoke and administer the Emergency Management Assistance Compact and other Compacts and Agreements existing between the State of Florida and other States, and the further authority to coordinate the allocation of resources from such other States that are made available to the State of Florida under such Compacts and Agreements so as best to meet this emergency;

The authority to distribute any and all supplies stockpiled to meet the emergency;

The authority to suspend the effect of any statute or rule governing the conduct of state business, and the further authority to suspend the effect of any order or rule of any governmental entity, to include, without limiting the generality of the foregoing, any and all statutes and rules which affect budgeting, printing, purchasing, leasing, procurement, and the conditions of employment and the compensation of employees; provided, however, that the State Coordinating Officer shall have authority to suspend the effect of any statute, rule or order only to the extent necessary to ensure the timely performance of vital emergency response functions;

The authority to relieve any and all state agencies responsible for processing applications or petitions for any order, rule, or other final action subject to the Administrative Procedure Act, as amended, from the deadlines specified in that Act and in other applicable laws for the duration of this emergency, if the State Coordinating Officer finds that such deadlines cannot be met because of this emergency;

The authority to direct all state, regional and local governmental agencies, including law enforcement agencies, to identify personnel needed from those agencies to assist in meeting the needs created by this emergency, and to place all such personnel under the direct command of the State Coordinating Officer to meet this emergency;

The authority to seize and utilize any and all real or personal property as needed to meet this emergency, subject always to the duty of the State to compensate the owner;

The authority to order the evacuation of any or all persons from any location in the State of Florida, and the authority to regulate the movement of any or all persons to or from any location in the State;

The authority to regulate the return of the evacuees to their home communities; and

The authority to designate such Deputy State Coordinating Officers as the State Coordinating Officer may deem necessary to cope with the emergency.

Section 4.

I hereby order the Adjutant General to activate the Florida National Guard for the duration of this emergency, and I hereby place the National Guard under the direction of the State Coordinating Officer for the duration of this emergency.

Section 5.

In accordance with Sections 252.36(5)(a) and 252.46(2), Florida Statutes, all statutes, rules and orders are hereby suspended for the duration of this emergency to the extent that literal compliance with such statutes, rules, and orders may be inconsistent with the timely performance of emergency response functions.

Section 6.

I hereby give all agencies with employees certified by the American Red Cross as disaster service volunteers within the meaning of Section 110.120(3), Florida Statutes, the authority to release any such employees for such service as requested by the American Red Cross as needed to meet the emergency.

IN TESTIMONY WHEREOF, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the Great Seal of the State of Florida to be affixed, at Tallahassee, the Capitol, this 11th day of September, 2001.

http://sun6.dms.state.fl.us/eog_new/eog/orders/2001/september/eo2001-262-09-11-01.html

Did other governors do these things on, before, or around 9-11-01? :shrug:

[OldSiouxWarrior]

15. That is NOT Martial Law either.

I think that you don't know what Martial Law is.

[City Lights]

17. Can you READ?

All I'm doing is providing copies of the Executive Orders Jeb signed. My post numbers 9 and 11 don't even mention "martial law" in them. Sheesh. :eyes:

[OldSiouxWarrior]

18. OK, I was fast on the draw.

This is the nutty conspiracy theorist's forum with loads of unfounded paranoid Chicken Little garbage being posted. I thought you were trying to support the OP's delusion that Martial Law had been declared by a Bush.

Sorry for the fast shot.

[City Lights]

19. No problem.

:hi:

[Norrin Radd]

23. Nutty? So...epithets and ad hominem are perfectly acceptable in this

particular forum, or toward fellow DUers, in general, or is "nutty" listed in the DSM-IV-TR?

[OldSiouxWarrior]

25. When a theory is blatantly nutty, then it fits.

The 9-11 CTs are in the same league as Flatearthers, UFO abductions, Creationists, Moon Landings were facked, Chemtrails and similar idiocy. For those who hold to that type of stupidity I do not withold my mockery.

A person can escape that by simply ditching their delusion and facing truth. But a nut will hold to his delusions.

[Norrin Radd]

28. And which theory is that? There is only one?

The 9-11 CTs are in the same league as Flatearthers, UFO abductions, Creationists, Moon Landings were facked, Chemtrails and similar idiocy. For those who hold to that type of stupidity I do not withold my mockery.

This looks like an association fallacy.