Where The "Loose Change" Money is Going

[Brainster]

The Loosers put together a video of their "preparations" for the 9-11 Denial festival in New York City. We see Jason in his "cap room" at about 4:00, and about 13:38 we see Dylan and Korey riding their brand new four-wheel ATVs (sans helmets).

Their digs aren't quite up to "Cribs" standards, but it's pretty obvious they're doing rather well. Unfortunately, no shots of the 90-inch TV (mentioned in an interview with Richard Andrew Grove).

[dailykoff]

1. I heard they're trying to buy yellowcake in Niger.

I think it was on CNN.

[FoxOnTheRun]

2. I looks normal, I don't know what standards Americans have

Is it not allowed to earn Federal Reserve notes anymore?

[frylock]

3. what you do with your paycheck?

[whistle]

4. Ultimately a great nation is a compassionate nation - - -

All we say to America is be true to what you said on paper ---

Hatred paralyzes life; love releases it. Hatred confuses life; love harmonizes it. Hatred darkens life; love illuminates it ---

The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy ---

Freedom is never voluntarily given by the oppressor; it must be demanded by the oppressed ---

Many of the ugly pages of American history have been obscured and forgotten....America owes a debt of justice which it has only begun to pay. If it loses the will to finish or slackens in its determination, history will recall its crimes and the country that would be great will lack the most indispensable element of greatness--justice ---

When we let freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's children, black men and white men, Jews and Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!
--Dr. Martin Luther King Jr.

[Ignacio Upton]

5. Their video is just a big ego trip

I mean, why the fuck do they spend 5-7 minutes driving around in the back woods on their ATV vehicles? What's the fucking point of putting that in?

[canetoad]

6. Because they are young guys? nt

[rman]

7. Loose Change not best evidence 9/11 was inside job

(originally posted by another DUer)

Loose Change does not address the best evidence for 9/11 as inside job - in fact, does not for the most part deal with the best evidence for its claim of demolition - and since the case for inside job predates LC/LC2 by three years, all the "debunking" directed at it is irrelevant to the main question of whether 9/11 was an inside job.

http://911research.wtc7.net/reviews/loose_change/index.html
http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/green/loose_change.html

[canetoad]

9. Whatever Avery & Co.'s intentions

LC has found it's own niche, which is not presenting sound evidence.

Dylan Avery & LC captured the attention of the media and the public like nothing before it. His age, approach, the whole viral hype about the vid, all got people paying attention and (shock and awe) talking and expressing opinions. It's willfully malicious to criticize it on the pretension that it is anything more than an exuberant, well intentioned, youthful effort.

[rman]

12. To bad this popular flick makes the truth movement vulnerable to discredit

[John Q. Citizen]

15. Too bad Loose Change has brought more energy and juice to the

movement than any other single source? Is that really your position?

Look. i hate to have to be the one to tell you this, but perfection is an ideal that doesn't exist in the real world.

Many people claimed that the Black Panthers made the civil rights movement vulnerable to discredit too , but do you know what? The Black Panthers actually made Martin Luther King acceptable to main stream America. Hamburger A (King) or Hamburger B? (Panthers)

Loose Change is a creative, exciting and sincere effort to expose people to the BS of the official story. It isn't going to go away because you have websites or movies you prefer over Loose Change.

Heck, I do too. But if you think that the Truth Movement would be somehow less vulnerable to discredit absent Loose Change, you are either fooling yourself or you are jealous of the attention Loose Change is getting instead of those other movies or websites you prefer.

I haven't been able to figure out which of these is your personal motivation to continually bemoan and attack the obvious contribution of this work.

To paraphrase a very effective slogan which was the trademark of a tiny yet very effective and media savvy group of AIDS/gay rights activists back in the 80's

"They are there, they care, get used to it."

[rman]

25. don't put words in my mouth

thanks

[mhatrw]

8. And the guys who made "United 93"?

What are they doing with their money?

[MervinFerd]

10. Despicable Hucksters.

And if these guys are crooks, how many -other- 9/11 luminaries are feed you bull-for-money?

[johnnie]

11. Should they move into an old refrigerator box

And live in the park?

[MervinFerd]

13. No, they should make an HONEST living. Or stay in school.

Every huckster claims he's just makin' a livin'.

But, you average con-man is more decent than these jokers.

[John Q. Citizen]

16. Right, Glad you have appointed yourself a attorney general, Merv. You

couldn't have chosen a better guy than yourself for the job, I'm sure.

[MervinFerd]

18. Who said anything about prosecution?? Public ridicule will do.

SO touchy.

[FoxOnTheRun]

14. You can see the TV in the Spiegel TV reportage

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7890733516808023347&q=spiegel+tv+loose+change&hl=en

I'm ashamed of Spiegel and his dead owner Rudolf Augstein is probably spinning in his grave.
They were responsible for a hit-piece on Wisnewski's documentary that got him fired from public broadcasting at WDR.

[LARED]

17. This is not far removed from why the on-line porn industry

exists. There is a growing market to feed and expand a 9/11 CTer's desire for fodder. There will alway be someone low enough to fill the market void. Like porn, and drugs.

[Nozebro]

19. Yes, can't we all just get along? Who needs anything more than OCT'er

"explanations", evasions, distractions, distortions, disruptions, messenger shootings, messenger smearings,lgocial fallacies,and other nonsense designed to undermine legitimate inquiry into the largest (to date) False Flag operation ever conducted in the U.S.A.?

[LARED]

20. I love legitimate inquiry

When it comes to CD, no planes, missiles, energy weapons, thermite, thermate, plus manifold other nonsense I've yet to see legitimate inquiry by the CT'ers.

[Nozebro]

24. Have you considered Lasik treatment? Might help you "see" better.

nt

[FoxOnTheRun]

21. I admit that the Loose Change boys aren't Andrew Blake,

but 911 Mysteries is maybe going for it.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-7143212690219513043&q=911+mysteries&hl=en-CA

There are two more DVDs planned (hijackers, war games) and (who benefits) as far as I can remember

[John Q. Citizen]

22. Actually, studies have shown that Loose Change is more addictive than

doing meth amphetimine everyday for a month. Especiallly for school aged children.

That's why right thinking people, like yourself, are calling for an outright ban and life imprisoment for those unfortunates caught watching it, downloading it, or divulging it's contents.

Let's face it, Guantanamo is too good for so-called people like Dylan Avery. He's at least as bad as Osama bin Laden. No, really!

[LARED]

23. What are you babbling about?

I was merely pointing out that there is always someone to fill a market, no matter how illegitimate it might be.

[JackRiddler]

26. Oh shit, it's Americans

About 90 million people in this country live just like these kids do. Your attributing it to money earned off LC2 is speculative. It's just as likely that they're middle class college kids. You'll be hard pressed to find politicians or energy traders who aren't living at least this well, and almost none of them are doing anything socially redeeming either. This is an ad hominem attack.

[Brainster]

27. You Do Know What An Ad Hominem Attack Is?

If I were to say that Dylan is a dork and therefore we should not listen to his arguments, that would be an ad hominem attack.

As for whether they've made their money off Loose Change, they acknowledge as much. Dylan worked at Friendly Ice Cream and Red Lobster to make the money he used to make the movie (plus borrowing some dough from Phil Jayhan). Jason was working two jobs but quit those in February.

[JackRiddler]

29. Ad hominems attack the person

rather than the argument, and specifically go after irrelevancies. This is what you are doing. It's completely irrelevant whether they've made money off LC. Even if neither of us likes it.

[greyl]

30. Follow the money!

Gee, where have I heard that?

This isn't an ad homimem attack. This is an argument about their character.

[Sir Jeffrey]

28. Where the World Trade Center (movie) money is going...

http://www.cagefactor.com/photos/nic-toys.html

Personally, I like the Lamborghini.

But hey, Nic Cage spends a lot of his own money fighting for the 9/11 truth movement, right?

In all seriousness though, the three LC guys live together and RENT a house in upstate New York. They put their movie online FOR FREE. They give away FREE copies when they travel and organize events. And they've put together an imperfect movie that is getting people THINKING about the nature of the world we live in. So what if it isn't 100% accurate. It is marketed to young people and it is getting them involved.

IMO Every 9/11 truther who endures the crap we've put up with since early 2002 should be driving Lamborghinis...and that includes the LC crowd, the Jersey Girls, and everyone else. More power to them. They're fighting a fight that our elected representatives should fight. Instead, our elected representatives are fighting to give Bush the right to torture people.