Surviving the 81st floor of WTC 2

[DoYouEverWonder]

SURVIVING THE 81ST FLOOR OF WORLD TRADE TOWER TWO

Delise and Stanley got on the elevator and went down to the 78th floor. Some other people were there. The company's president, the CEO, the human resources director and two other gentlemen joined the group and headed down to the concourse level of Two World Trade Center.

If they had continued on and exited the building, all of their lives would have been spared. As it was, that's not the way it happened.

"As soon as we reached the concourse level, the security guard stopped us and said, 'Where are you going?' Stanley explained about seeing the fire in Tower One. According to Stanley, the guard said, "Oh, that was just an accident. Two World Trade is secured. Go back to your office."

That turned out to be fatal advice--aside from Stanley, Delise was the only one of that group to survive.

"We were joking, and I told Brian Thompson, 'This is a good time to think of relocating this building--it's not safe anymore.' " Stanley headed back to his office, but before he got there, he told Delise, that with the events of the day, she should go home and relax.

Thompson went to the 82nd floor, the president and CEO went to the 79th floor and Stanley got out on the 81st floor. When Stanley got to his office, his phone was ringing. "It was someone from Chicago calling to find out if I'm watching the news," he said. He told the caller everything "was fine."

But everything wasn't fine--far from it. As Stanley was talking, he looked up and saw American Airlines Flight 11 heading straight
for him.

"All I can see is this big gray plane, with red letters on the wing and on the tail, bearing down on me," said Stanley. "But this thing is happening in slow motion. The plane appeared to be like 100 yards away, I said 'Lord, you take control, I can't help myself here.' "

Stanley then dove under his desk. "My Testament was on top of my desk," explained Stanley. "I knew, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that the Lord was going to take care of me once I got there." As he curled into a fetal position under his desk, the plane tore into the side of the building and exploded.

http://across.co.nz/Surviving81floorWTC.htm

I don't know whether or not Mr. Praimnath ever went back to work for Fuji Bank, but he now has a new career doing the Christian speakers route, talking about his 9-11 experience. http://www.ambassadoragency.com/category_view.cfm/categories_id/17

Funny, another Bushbot fundie with key pieces of the 9-11 myth who was in just the right place. The 81st floor of WTC2 is the floor that failed first when the building collapsed.

[DoYouEverWonder]

1. Well there are at least a couple of holes in this guy's story

Flight 175 hit the 2nd tower was an United plane. They have grey bodies with white letters, not red letters like American Airlines does.

Also, found another recount of his story from a year later where 'Delise' has changed her name to 'Phyllis'.

"Now, something was wrong with this picture," says Praimnath. " So, I turned to the young lady with me and I (said), 'Phyllis, why don't you take the rest of the day off.' So she's happy, she's gone out the door, but all of my co-workers are looking at me like, 'Stan, what are you doing? We still have a job to do.' They're holding the elevator door for me -- the president, the CEO, the head of Human Resources -- all these good folks were there. So I walk back in."

http://www.ctv.ca/special/sept11/hubs/canadian/ctv_lopes_survivors.html

[Lithos]

2. Probably not connected with anyone

Just your basic con artist who, if he was there, probably didn't go back up and spent the majority of the event running away from the buildings.

L-

[DoYouEverWonder]

3. Seems he was really there

Brian Clark is the man who got him out of the 81st floor collaborates his story, but there are significant differences between their versions of what they did after they found each other. Stanley's story seems to evolve over time.

[Lithos]

4. He may have found a living then

Some people do that. He probably will continue embellishing it every day of his life.

L-

[seatnineb]

6. It is one thing to embellish...it is a another thing to lie..........

The truth about what witnesses like Stanley Praimath saw is absolutely crucial.......

But........

Since when did United Airline N612ua AKA flight 175.......... have red lettering on it's wings and tail?





Even if United Airline 767's did have red lettering on their wings and tails.....would you be able to notice it ...if it were travelling at 400-500mph...straight towards you!

[mirandapriestly]

13. He also smelled sulfur

but then decided it was jet fuel (Does jet fuel smell like sulfur?)
The smell of jet fuel was all over. I thought it was sulfur.
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/09/earlyshow/main521270.shtml

He can't get to me and I can't get to him, and by this time I can't breathe," Stanley said. "I don't know if it was sulfur or what , but I can smell this thing. http://www.ambassadoragency.com/print_client_profile.cfm/cid/29

[DoYouEverWonder]

8. Some people do that

Seems that among the more famous 9-11 survivors and/or victim spouses, a very high percentage are either doing the christian circuit or have established major faith based foundations to remember their loved ones.

Everytime I turn over another rock looking for something, I find another xian.

[mirandapriestly]

5. The other plane witness has also taken the evangelical route

George Sleigh also says he saw the plane, in fact he saw inside the cockpit, and now he is doing the evangelical circuit. I posted the same thing about Praimnath here and other evangelical stuff:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=103531&mesg_id=103531

Good find about Phyllis and the wrong colors of plane.

[DoYouEverWonder]

7. Seem Stanley's savior, Brian Clark is also cashing in

on the fundie circuit.

World Trade Center survivors Stanley Praimnath and Brian Clark recount their experiences of September 11, 2001, and tell how the tragedy of that day and its aftermath affected their faith in God. Part 1 of 2.

http://www.rbc.org/radio_and_tv/words_to_live_by/32057.aspx

Funny, seems whenever you start to dig around about the people who helped create the 9-11 myth, they almost always turn out to be a major fundie or a true believer Bushbot.

[treestar]

9. There are something like 50,000 survivors who escaped the

two building, if I'm not mistaken. Yet very few of them are heard from. I wonder if the media just doesn't find it dramatic enough if they don't start pontificating about God.

[DoYouEverWonder]

10. Actually, there weren't that many

For a number of different reasons, each building only had about 5000-6000 people at the time of the attack.

Four factors that made a big difference that day were 1) NYC was having a primary election 2) It was the first day of school for elementary students 3) Most people in NYC offices don't even think about showing up until after 9:00 AM. 4) The Observation Deck and the Top of the World don't open until later in the morning.

[treestar]

11. OK, still that's 5-6000 stories

IIRR, 5-6000 was the number of people the media first claimed to be killed - lasted a few days after 911 before it went down to the more accurate 3000 and eventually 2800.

[mirandapriestly]

12. Now, isn't that interesting,,,then throw into the mix

the director of the abc movie and the producers for the Stone film, hmmm. And also some guy who said that flight 93 debris was found on his property was some kind of minister I think it was an evangelical church, not sure.