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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:33 AM Original message |
Imagine this... |
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dailykoff
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:36 AM Response to Original message |
1. Yes, it does become laughable. |
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Mr_Jefferson_24
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:44 AM Response to Reply #1 |
2. Is as though they didn't really even care... |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:52 AM Response to Reply #2 |
3. Yeah, would be extremely difficult to pull off |
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greyl
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:38 PM Response to Reply #3 |
19. You speak as though you think some small exact target was hit. |
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JackRiddler
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:01 AM Response to Original message |
4. exaggeration does not serve your argument |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:22 AM Response to Reply #4 |
5. From the ground it is easy to spot |
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DoYouEverWonder
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #5 |
12. No less |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 01:41 PM Response to Reply #12 |
23. Another gross exaggeration. It wasn't a "spiral." But I'm sure you 'really' know that. |
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DoYouEverWonder
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Wed Jan-03-07 03:57 PM Response to Reply #23 |
33. How fast was the plane going |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 04:58 PM Response to Reply #33 |
35. See this NTSB re-enactment from the FDR. |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:41 PM Response to Reply #5 |
20. What makes you say that? |
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mirandapriestly
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:24 AM Response to Original message |
6. It's preposterous, - almost everything is. |
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greyl
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Wed Jan-03-07 03:04 AM Response to Original message |
7. Failure of imagination plus bogus "facts". nt |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:35 AM Response to Reply #7 |
8. I gather you don't fly much |
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greyl
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:21 PM Response to Reply #8 |
15. You must have misunderstood or replied in the wrong spot, eh? nt |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:25 PM Response to Reply #15 |
18. wrong spot |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 05:11 PM Response to Reply #8 |
37. So spotting a building on the ground |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 05:48 PM Response to Reply #37 |
39. No |
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treestar
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:43 PM Response to Reply #8 |
69. It's still flat in appearance and looks hard to crash into |
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Mr_Jefferson_24
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:58 AM Response to Reply #7 |
11. Never have I heard a more apt description... |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:38 AM Response to Original message |
9. Imagine trying to find a runway.. |
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dailykoff
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:01 PM Response to Reply #9 |
24. How about a runway that doesn't exist? |
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KJF
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:49 AM Response to Original message |
10. It wasn't a 747... |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:32 AM Response to Original message |
13. Wow. The OP is so chocked full of inaccuracies it SHOULD..... |
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SidDithers
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:22 PM Response to Reply #13 |
16. Now, don't you go injecting reality into this debate... |
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Bolo Boffin
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:44 PM Response to Reply #16 |
21. I was using Google Maps but can't tell altitude |
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Ezlivin
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Wed Jan-03-07 03:16 PM Response to Reply #13 |
31. I disagree with your assessment of Hani's skills |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 04:47 PM Response to Reply #31 |
34. "You are traveling in a Boeing 747, cruising thousands of feet in the skies above Washington DC" |
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Ezlivin
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Wed Jan-03-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #34 |
40. Thanks for continuing to stray from the OP |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:25 PM Response to Reply #40 |
48. The OP states he was at cruising altitude over the pentagon. |
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Bolo Boffin
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:41 PM Response to Reply #48 |
51. As you point out, the guy who wouldn't rent him the Cessna thinks he could have done it. |
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Ezlivin
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Thu Jan-04-07 10:54 AM Response to Reply #51 |
112. A week after 9/11 Bernard says this - and he wasn't the CFI that checked him out |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:00 PM Response to Reply #31 |
42. Here's the part I never get.... |
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Ezlivin
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:18 PM Response to Reply #42 |
46. Turning a large heavy is tricky |
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Bolo Boffin
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #46 |
55. The guy who wouldn't rent him the Cessna says that he could do it. n/t |
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Ezlivin
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Thu Jan-04-07 10:53 AM Response to Reply #55 |
111. A week after 9/11 Bernard says this - and he wasn't the CFI that checked him out |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:13 PM Response to Reply #111 |
125. So, the chief CFI wasn't "in on it" when he refused rental.... |
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Ezlivin
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Thu Jan-04-07 04:54 PM Response to Reply #125 |
127. Speculate as you wish |
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Bolo Boffin
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Thu Jan-04-07 05:05 PM Response to Reply #127 |
128. No speculation: the guy who wouldn't rent him the Cessna said he could pull off the 9/11 attack. |
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Ezlivin
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Thu Jan-04-07 06:02 PM Response to Reply #128 |
130. Fine. One guy who did not fly with Hani said this |
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John Q. Citizen
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Fri Jan-05-07 05:15 PM Response to Reply #130 |
142. Kicking ass and taking names, Ezlivin. Well done. Thanks for the lesson! |
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William Seger
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Fri Jan-05-07 10:03 PM Response to Reply #142 |
144. Really? |
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John Q. Citizen
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Fri Jan-05-07 10:40 PM Response to Reply #144 |
145. Really! Honestly! Yes! Exactly! English is a requirement for a license. Truly. |
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William Seger
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Fri Jan-05-07 10:47 PM Response to Reply #145 |
146. Ah, I see the problem |
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John Q. Citizen
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Fri Jan-05-07 10:58 PM Response to Reply #146 |
148. No, I don't think you see the problem. |
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William Seger
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Fri Jan-05-07 11:37 PM Response to Reply #148 |
150. Oh, another problem there |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:15 AM Response to Reply #150 |
152. So how did he get and keep a license? |
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William Seger
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:33 AM Response to Reply #152 |
154. So ... |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #154 |
156. See below. So how did he get his commercial licence? You haven't yet explained. |
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William Seger
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:41 AM Response to Reply #156 |
157. Please answer my question first |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:51 AM Response to Reply #157 |
159. Somebody got that boy his license, sir.. And it wasn't |
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William Seger
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Sat Jan-06-07 02:34 AM Response to Reply #159 |
160. So, Hanjour never missed a runway, huh |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 02:41 AM Response to Reply #160 |
161. I'll take that as a no, you don't have a better answer. |
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William Seger
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Sat Jan-06-07 02:47 AM Response to Reply #161 |
162. And I'll take that as a consession that you'd really like to change the subject again |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 09:32 AM Response to Reply #162 |
163. He needed a commercial license to get trained on 757s and so that there |
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Kingshakabobo
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Sat Jan-06-07 10:27 AM Response to Reply #163 |
165. You answer is in your own posts: |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 11:15 AM Response to Reply #165 |
167. So what about the 5 complaints from the flight school after that? What about |
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Kingshakabobo
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Sat Jan-06-07 07:35 PM Response to Reply #167 |
174. Do I view it as impossible? No. |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 08:37 PM Response to Reply #174 |
176. Exactly, the help from the inside Hani received allowed him to live the life of a |
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William Seger
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:44 PM Response to Reply #163 |
168. "There's no point in having a patsy..." |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sun Jan-07-07 04:51 PM Response to Reply #168 |
177. Exactly, The FAA inexplicably didn't yank Hani's license and instead |
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William Seger
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Sun Jan-07-07 09:41 PM Response to Reply #177 |
179. No, you're misreading that article |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sun Jan-07-07 10:35 PM Response to Reply #179 |
180. From the article: |
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William Seger
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Mon Jan-08-07 12:31 AM Response to Reply #180 |
181. Yes, I understand that's what you WANT it to say |
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Kingshakabobo
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Fri Jan-05-07 11:55 PM Response to Reply #148 |
151. It's funny how you can take a little scrap and run with it.... |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:31 AM Response to Reply #151 |
153. He had a 0.26 grade point average in English. |
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William Seger
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:37 AM Response to Reply #153 |
155. You're desperately deluding yourself |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 01:42 AM Response to Reply #155 |
158. A Chair If I only had a chair. He's one heck of a Jihadist, that's for sure. Boy, when |
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Kingshakabobo
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Sat Jan-06-07 10:18 AM Response to Reply #153 |
164. Believe it or not, I think we are getting somewhere... |
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John Q. Citizen
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Sat Jan-06-07 10:28 AM Response to Reply #164 |
166. Who got him his license? Find out that and you will find out who his US |
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William Seger
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Fri Jan-05-07 09:57 PM Response to Reply #130 |
143. Silly arguments |
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Bolo Boffin
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Fri Jan-05-07 10:50 PM Response to Reply #130 |
147. Unqualified to do what? Rent the plane. n/t |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 07:01 PM Response to Reply #46 |
58. Correction... |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 07:08 PM Response to Reply #46 |
60. I agree with the ATC |
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AZCat
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Wed Jan-03-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #31 |
64. You can type in a simulator. |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 05:03 PM Response to Reply #13 |
36. From a commercial airline pilot: |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #36 |
38. Can you provide a link? Source? Anything? |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 05:57 PM Response to Reply #38 |
41. The paragraph quoted... |
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Bolo Boffin
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:04 PM Response to Reply #41 |
43. What 33-foot margin of error? The Pentagon was 90 feet high. n/t |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:23 PM Response to Reply #43 |
47. You misunderstand the point |
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Bolo Boffin
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #47 |
53. Again - the Pentagon is 90' high. |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 07:22 PM Response to Reply #53 |
61. You're not taking into consideration |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #61 |
74. How much training did Kamikaze pilots have? |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:07 AM Response to Reply #74 |
81. Their simulators consisted of a wooden box seat and a broom handle yoke. |
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nebula
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Sat Jan-06-07 05:20 PM Response to Reply #74 |
169. Kamikaze pilots were trained on small, highly |
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Kingshakabobo
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Sat Jan-06-07 07:36 PM Response to Reply #169 |
175. No they weren't. Post #81 wasn't a joke. |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:53 PM Response to Reply #43 |
56. By the same token |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:06 PM Response to Reply #41 |
44. Is that from the guy that posts here? |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:30 PM Response to Reply #44 |
49. You got the wrong guy |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:45 PM Response to Reply #49 |
52. Nice edit.....it's the same guy...and he DOES, contrary to your pre-edit post... |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:52 PM Response to Reply #49 |
54. Can I ask you why you edited the post.... |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 07:03 PM Response to Reply #54 |
59. I haven't studied that part about the spiraling dives or 400 knots |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 07:34 PM Response to Reply #59 |
62. Please don't deflect. |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:16 PM Response to Reply #38 |
45. I would compare the amazing stunt executed at the Pentagon |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:39 PM Response to Reply #45 |
50. Try again. |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:52 PM Response to Reply #50 |
70. You don't have to know anything about quantum physics |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:10 PM Response to Reply #70 |
73. I know enough about carrier landings to not try and compare...... |
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William Seger
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Wed Jan-03-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #36 |
65. Sure about that? |
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LARED
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:05 PM Response to Original message |
14. Imagine this..... |
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greyl
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Wed Jan-03-07 12:23 PM Response to Reply #14 |
17. We could also imagine the same stupid points haven't been destroyed here before |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 01:08 PM Response to Original message |
22. imagination in progress.... |
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dailykoff
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:04 PM Response to Reply #22 |
25. Thanks, now the OP makes more sense. |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:20 PM Response to Reply #25 |
26. Considering that |
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dailykoff
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:39 PM Response to Reply #26 |
28. One problem is the skimpy shadow line. |
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sgsmith
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:33 PM Response to Original message |
27. Easy to spot |
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William Seger
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:41 PM Response to Original message |
29. Not so "spectacular" |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 02:58 PM Response to Reply #29 |
30. That's probably fairly accurate. |
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William Seger
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Wed Jan-03-07 03:20 PM Response to Reply #30 |
32. Yup, just a simple turn to kill the altitude |
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Thu Jan-04-07 03:00 PM Response to Reply #32 |
126. Diving |
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SidDithers
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Wed Jan-03-07 06:54 PM Response to Reply #29 |
57. THAT'S the view I was hoping for... |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 08:09 PM Response to Reply #57 |
63. Even THAT view seems a little .....distorted???? |
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William Seger
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Wed Jan-03-07 08:29 PM Response to Reply #63 |
66. It's from Google Earth, not a true perspective |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:28 PM Response to Reply #66 |
67. Again, spotting an object on the ground from an airliner |
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William Seger
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Thu Jan-04-07 10:44 AM Response to Reply #67 |
110. "Imagine this" |
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treestar
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Wed Jan-03-07 09:42 PM Response to Original message |
68. The thing that is remarkable from most of these pictures is |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 10:53 PM Response to Reply #68 |
71. And by the time you got close enough to the Pentagon to see it |
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jberryhill
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:03 PM Response to Reply #71 |
72. What makes you think he hit his "target" |
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treestar
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Thu Jan-04-07 11:17 AM Response to Reply #72 |
113. But who cares how large it is when it is not tall? |
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jberryhill
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:17 PM Response to Reply #113 |
118. Now you're thinking... |
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John Q. Citizen
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Thu Jan-04-07 05:47 PM Response to Reply #118 |
129. The FBI had an informant on the inside of the cell, according to |
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William Seger
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Fri Jan-05-07 02:44 PM Response to Reply #129 |
140. Another one bites the dust |
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John Q. Citizen
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Fri Jan-05-07 11:24 PM Response to Reply #140 |
149. Hey, I encourage reading. Have you read Hopsicker or Lance? If not, you |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:19 PM Response to Reply #71 |
76. "And by the time you got close enough to the Pentagon to see it" |
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Kingshakabobo
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:13 PM Response to Reply #68 |
75. Think nine story building........ If that helps. |
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nebula
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:35 PM Response to Reply #75 |
77. A 90 foot tall building is a very small target |
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Bolo Boffin
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Wed Jan-03-07 11:48 PM Response to Reply #77 |
78. First, an apology: the Pentagon is 77 feet 3.5 inches high. |
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nebula
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:02 AM Response to Reply #78 |
79. Tail height of 757 is 44 feet. |
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jberryhill
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:10 AM Response to Reply #79 |
84. WELL THEN ITS A GOOD THING FOR HIM HE WASN'T FLYING BACKWARDS! |
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Bolo Boffin
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:14 AM Response to Reply #79 |
85. That's irrelevant. |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:19 AM Response to Reply #79 |
87. What about with the gear up? Minus what? 10-15 feet? |
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treestar
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Thu Jan-04-07 11:21 AM Response to Reply #87 |
115. The question is how long did he have to do that? |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 11:39 AM Response to Reply #115 |
116. I'm not sure what your question is? Time to do what? |
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jberryhill
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #115 |
121. Why do that? |
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treestar
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Thu Jan-04-07 08:14 PM Response to Reply #121 |
131. Where is the flight data recorder? |
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jberryhill
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Fri Jan-05-07 08:56 AM Response to Reply #131 |
135. Yes, you are mistaken - AA77's FDR was recovered |
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nebula
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:23 AM Response to Reply #79 |
88. My mistake |
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greyl
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:08 AM Response to Reply #78 |
82. There's still no reason to believe the target was the side of the Pentagon. |
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nebula
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:34 AM Response to Reply #82 |
92. Thats ridiculous |
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jberryhill
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Thu Jan-04-07 07:08 AM Response to Reply #92 |
107. Now you're thinking... |
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AZCat
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:05 AM Response to Reply #77 |
80. Your logic doesn't make sense. |
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:09 AM Response to Reply #80 |
83. I don't get that either...... |
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AZCat
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:16 AM Response to Reply #83 |
86. I don't know how this happens. |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:26 AM Response to Reply #86 |
89. Were you around for the OPs "combustible steel" sub-thread yesterday? |
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:29 AM Response to Reply #89 |
90. I think I saw it after the fact. |
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Fri Jan-05-07 04:40 PM Response to Reply #86 |
141. Did it ever teach critical thinking skills? nt |
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:30 AM Response to Reply #80 |
91. You're wrong |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:36 AM Response to Reply #91 |
93. Are you saying the faster the plane travels, the less maneuverable it is? |
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:41 AM Response to Reply #93 |
95. Are you denying the fact |
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AZCat
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:49 AM Response to Reply #95 |
98. That's exactly what we were wondering yesterday... |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:56 AM Response to Reply #95 |
99. YOU said control DECREASES with speed. |
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AZCat
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:38 AM Response to Reply #91 |
94. You probably should read up on this stuff... |
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:45 AM Response to Reply #94 |
96. You speak nonsense |
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AZCat
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:47 AM Response to Reply #96 |
97. That's not what you claimed at all. |
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nebula
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:01 AM Response to Reply #97 |
100. Let me quote it for you... |
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AZCat
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:03 AM Response to Reply #100 |
101. Except that's not what you said in post #96. |
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nebula
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:06 AM Response to Reply #101 |
102. What exactly did I say?? |
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:09 AM Response to Reply #102 |
103. You really can't tell the difference between the two statements? |
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:13 AM Response to Reply #103 |
104. I beseech you |
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AZCat
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:16 AM Response to Reply #104 |
105. And with that, I'm done. |
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Thu Jan-04-07 01:17 AM Response to Reply #104 |
106. Explain to me what the difference is |
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AZCat
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Sun Jan-07-07 07:07 PM Response to Reply #106 |
178. If you can't see the difference... |
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Thu Jan-04-07 08:57 AM Response to Reply #91 |
108. Make up your mind |
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Thu Jan-04-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #108 |
109. A vehicle that is very 'maneuverable' describes |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:52 PM Response to Reply #109 |
123. 'Maneuverable' does not describe, as you suggest, the sensitivity of the controls." |
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jberryhill
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Fri Jan-05-07 10:01 AM Response to Reply #123 |
138. You misunderstood him, King |
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Thu Jan-04-07 11:18 AM Response to Reply #75 |
114. I know that, but am thinking in perspective |
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William Seger
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:03 PM Response to Reply #114 |
117. You should try it yourself in Flight Simulator, with NO training |
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #117 |
119. I don't know, Seger. |
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Thu Jan-04-07 08:16 PM Response to Reply #117 |
132. Then explain to us how he had time to do it |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:18 PM Response to Reply #114 |
120. What are we talking about? Finding it or hitting it? |
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:33 PM Response to Reply #120 |
122. What is so frustrating |
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Kingshakabobo
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Thu Jan-04-07 12:59 PM Response to Reply #122 |
124. Yep. I just took another look at the OP...... |
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Sat Jan-06-07 05:26 PM Response to Reply #124 |
170. This from an OCTer who claims |
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Thu Jan-04-07 08:22 PM Response to Reply #122 |
134. I guess you're not very good at getting your opinions and ideas |
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Thu Jan-04-07 08:19 PM Response to Reply #120 |
133. I'm curious; why don't you just explain it to us ignorant masses |
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Fri Jan-05-07 09:07 AM Response to Reply #133 |
136. Read post 135 |
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Sat Jan-06-07 05:58 PM Response to Reply #136 |
172. You compared the difficulty of maneuvering a small, |
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Sat Jan-06-07 05:45 PM Response to Reply #133 |
171. Because OCTers have nothing but hot air and insults to go on |
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Fri Jan-05-07 09:57 AM Response to Reply #114 |
137. Perspective |
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Fri Jan-05-07 11:39 AM Response to Original message |
139. NEW SHOCKING DISCOVERY |
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Sat Jan-06-07 06:19 PM Response to Reply #139 |
173. That's got to be the goofiest analogy ever |
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