The Anthrax Attacks

[Tim Howells]

5. THE ANTHRAX ATTACKS

So ... whoever perpetrated September 11 obviously has tons of money
and a tight military organization. You would expect that this would
not be an isolated event, but the start of a coordinated campaign. If
this was the work of Islamic fundamentalists, then where is the Jihad?
Where are the Holy Warriors who should have been positioned and ready
to follow up on the opening shot of the war?

There was a second wave of attacks--the dissemination of anthrax
letters to both random and carefully selected targets. However,
everyone now acknowledges that this was an inside job--that the
weapons grade anthrax used would only be available to a very limited
number of scientists and military/intelligence officers working in the
United States on highly classified projects.

In fact, according to the leading expert on the anthrax attacks,
Professor Barbara Hatch Rosenberg, the FBI has long known exactly who
was behind these attacks--attacks that have so far have killed at
least five American citizens--but the Bureau has decided to let the
perpetrator off the hook, just as the sponsor of the September 11
hijackings has been let off the hook. Professor Rosenberg is a
microbiologist and an expert on biological warfare who has served as a
Presidential Advisor and testified before congress on this subject.
She was selected by the Federation of American Scientists to
investigate the anthrax attacks. Over one year ago, in January 2002,
Professor Rosenberg stated:

The FBI has surely known for several months that the anthrax attack
was an inside job. A government estimate for the number of scientists
involved in the US anthrax program over the last five years is 200
people. According to a former defense scientist the number of defense
scientists with hands-on anthrax experience and the necessary access
is smaller, under 50. The FBI has received short lists of specific
suspects with credible motives from a number of knowledgeable inside
sources, and has found or been given clues ... that could lead to
incriminating evidence. By now the FBI must have a good idea of who
the perpetrator is.

{"Analysis of the Anthrax Attacks," Professor Barbara Hatch Rosenberg,
Federation of American Scientists, January 17, 2002-September 22, 2002
http://www.inesap.org/bulletin19/bul19art02a.htm }

Another leading expert on biological warfare, Professor Francis Boyle
of Indiana University, concurs with Rosenberg's opinion. Professor
Boyle is a renowned expert on international law who has testified
before Congress on legal issues concerning biological warfare. He was
instrumental in drafting the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of
1989. His analysis of the anthrax attacks has led him to the same
conclusion reached by Professor Rosenberg, which he states even more
bluntly:

I believe that the FBI knows exactly who was behind these attacks and
that they have concluded that the perpetrator was someone who was or
is involved in illegal and criminal biological warfare research
conducted by the US government (the Pentagon or the CIA) or by one of
the government's civilian contractors. For that reason, the FBI is not
going to apprehend and indict the perpetrator.

{"Bio-Warfare and Terrorism," Francis Boyle, Professor of
International Law, University of Illinois School of Law,
Synthesis/Regeneration 30, Winter 2003
http://web.greens.org/s-r/30/30-12.html }

As with the investigation of the funding channel for the September 11
hijackers, the anthrax investigation started off fast and made great
progress only to come to a screeching halt with the perpetrator in
easy reach.

The most obvious pieces of evidence were the notes that accompanied
the anthrax mailings. These contained crude misspellings and praised
Allah while calling for the downfall of the United States. These notes
were quickly recognized as a transparent hoax. As Professor Rosenberg
has stated:

Expert analysts for the FBI believe that the letters were written by a
Westerner, not a Middle Easterner or Muslim, although the text was
clearly intended to imply the latter.

{"Analysis of the Anthrax Attacks," Professor Barbara Hatch Rosenberg,
Federation of American Scientists, January 17, 2002-September 22, 2002
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/anthrax/fbi_drag_feet.html }

The anthrax strain used was consistent in all letters. A detailed
genetic analysis narrowed the search to a single laboratory: the U.S.
Army's Medical Research Institute for Infectious Diseases (USAMRIID)
at Fort Detrick, Maryland:

"Riddle of the spores--Why has the FBI investigation into the anthrax
attacks stalled? The evidence points one way," George Monbiot, The
Guardian, May 21, 2002
http://www.guardian.co.uk/anthrax/story/0,,719367,00.html

Further, the sophisticated weaponization process used to treat the
spores, and the highly specialized expertise needed to store and
handle the spores, narrows the search even much further. This leaves
us with just a handful of suspects involved in the Fort Detrick
program:

"Analysis of the Anthrax Attacks," Professor Barbara Hatch Rosenberg,
Federation of American Scientists, January 17, 2002-September 22, 2002
http://www.tetrahedron.org/articles/anthrax/fbi_drag_feet.html

With the field narrowed down so drastically, Professor Rosenberg
points us to what I believe is the key piece of evidence in
identifying the perpetrator:

On Sept. 21, three days after the first anthrax mailing and before any
letters or anthrax cases were in the news, an anonymous typed letter
was mailed to Quantico accusing an Egyptian-American scientist,
formerly of USAMRIID, of plotting biological terrorism. The accused
scientist was quickly exonerated by the FBI. The letter's writer
displayed familiarity with work at USAMRIID and claimed to have
formerly worked with the accused scientist.

{"The Anthrax Case: What the FBI Knows," Barbara Hatch Rosenberg,
Ph.D., June 13, 2002
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/fas-01.html }

Obviously the anonymous accuser himself fits the profile of the actual
perpetrator. Furthermore he was able to correctly anticipate that
there would be an anthrax attack and that the strain of anthrax used
would lead to Fort Detrick. The conclusion seems inescapable that the
anonymous author of this false accusation was the author of the attack
itself.

The falsely accused was an Egyptian born scientist, Dr. Ayaad Assaad
who worked at USAMRIID during the 1990's. During his employment there
he was the target of racist attacks from a Jewish coworker, Lt. Col.
Philip Zack. In one incident Zack mailed Assaad a rubber camel with a
huge model sexual appendage attached, together with an eight page poem
that described Dr. Assaad among many other things as a "life form
lower than yeast."

"Arab scientists recount hostility and harassment at military anthrax
lab," Lynne Tuohy and Jack Dolan, The Hartford Courant, December 19,
2001
http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=detrick19&date=20011219

As a result of this and a string of similar racist attacks by Lt. Col.
Zack, Assaad filed a harrassment suit and Zack was forced to resign
his position at USAMRIID. However, Zack continued to have access to
the lab illegally with the help of a personal friend there:

"Anthrax Easy To Get Out Of Lab--Security Was Based On Trust In
Scientists," Jack Dolan, Dave Altimari and Lynne Tuohy, The Hartford
Courant, December 20, 2001
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/hcourant.html

Certainly Lt. Col. Zack must be considered to be the prime candidate
as the author of the letter falsely accusing Dr. Assad. In my view
this also makes him the prime suspect in the attacks
themselves--especially when you take into account the fact that his
illegal comings and goings at Fort Detrick occurred at the time when
anthrax spores matching the genetic profile of those used in the
attacks went missing there.

"Deadly specimens disappeared from Army research lab in '90s," Jack
Dolan and Dave Altimari, The Hartford Courant, January 21, 2002
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/nationworld/13439...

In any event, the suspects in this crucial investigation are certainly
NOT fanatical Islamic fundamentalists. Everyone close to the
investigation agrees that the perpetrator is a highly qualified
bio-warfare expert who has worked on highly classified projects for
the United States government. He has very specific and rare skills
that in themselves narrow the field to a mere handful people, without
even taking into account the evidence surrounding the mailings
themselves. The postmarks provide a series of time stamps associated
with specific locations. An investigation like this can stall when
there are thousands of possible suspects; it cannot stall when there
are a handful of suspects and abundant clues to resolve the
perpetrator's identity. Professors Rosenberg and Boyle are quite
correct: the FBI is deliberately shielding the perpetrator of these
terrible crimes, which have taken the lives of five innocent American
citizens and which attack the foundations of our free and open
society.

But not everyone is going unprotected. With exceptional foresight so
notably absent elsewhere in this case, Vice President Dick Cheney was
able to anticipate that anthrax would become a problem in the Capitol.
He and his staff started taking an anti-anthrax medication (Cipro) on
the night of September 11, before the letters containing anthrax
started to arrive:

"White House mail sorters anthrax-free," Sandra Sobieraj, Associated
Press, October 24, 2001
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2001/ap102401.html

"Judicial Watch Sues Bush Administration For Anthrax Documents--Group
Says Government Had Braced In Advance For Anthrax Attacks," Associated
Press, June 9, 2002
http://s3.amazonaws.com/911timeline/2002/ap060902.html

Obtaining and preparing the anthrax will have been a difficult and
lengthy process. The attacks, beginning just seven days after
September 11, must have been prepared well in advance by a highly
sophisticated government insider. Like the hijackers themselves and
their sponsors in the ISI, the perpetrator clearly has powerful
protectors high inside the U.S. government. The two attacks seem to
have been perfectly coordinated to work towards the same objective.
The ever-incisive Professor Rosenberg observes:

The perpetrator was probably ready before Sept. 11 and simply took
advantage of the likelihood that Sept. 11 would throw suspicion on
Muslim terrorists. Was the perpetrator trying to push the US toward
some retaliatory military action?

{"Analysis of the Anthrax Attacks," Professor Barbara Hatch Rosenberg,
Federation of American Scientists, January 17, 2002-September 22, 2002
http://911review.org/Wget/www.fas.org/bwc/news/anthraxreport.htm }

[greyl]

1. "5"?

What's this from?

[Bolo Boffin]

3. Tim's got this paper posted at physics911.ca

I put the link into the other thread he started.

[Tim Howells]

26. Right, thanks here's the link again ...

... for those who may have missed it:

http://physics911.ca/org/modules/news/article.php?storyid=18

I should have posted that in the first place.

[Big Pappa]

2. Maybe the

FBI does have an idea who is behind these attacks, but are unable build a case. Also, where do you get the notion that this person or persons had "powerful protectors inside the government".

[Tim Howells]

10. The evidence must be very strong ...

... given the very small number of people who were capable of
acquiring and handling anthrax in this very specific weaponized
form, especially once the strain was identified as belonging to
a specific batch produced at USAMRIID, Fort Detrick. As I also
pointed out, the mailings themselves provide abundant clues
once the field is narrowed down to a just few people. Given
what is going at Guantanamo, do you seriously doubt that the
perpetrator is being protected?

Tim Howells

[Big Pappa]

13. Guantanamo?

What has one have to do with the other? Maybe the "Feds" have strong suspicions of who is to blame, but they are not willing to shoot their wad until they have more proof. Arresting this person/s now may not be justified unless they have more direct evidence.

[Tim Howells]

14. Here's some more from Prof. Boyle re the FBI coverup

Although only a "handful" of scientists had the ability to perpetrate the crime, the culprit, or culprits, among them may never be identified as the FBI ordered the destruction of the anthrax culture collection at Ames, Ia., from which the Ft. Detrick lab got its pathogens, the authority said.

This action made it impossible "to pin-point precisely where, when, and from whom these bio-agents had originated," said Dr. Francis A. Boyle of the University of Illinois at Champaign. It was Boyle who drafted the Biological Weapons Anti-Terrorism Act of 1989, the implementing legislation for the Biological Weapons Convention.

Boyle says destruction of the Ames anthrax "appears to be a cover-up orchestrated by the FBI."

...

In addition to then destroying the anthrax, the FBI "retained every independent life-scientist it could locate as part of its fictitious investigation, and then swore them all to secrecy so that they cannot publicly comment on the investigation or give their expert opinion," Boyle said.

Boyle pointed out that Bowman is the same FBI agent "who played a pivotal role in suppressing evidence which in turn prevented the issuance of a search warrant for the computer of Zacarias Moussaoui, the alleged 20th al-Qaeda hijacker on 11 September 2001, which might otherwise have led to foreknowledge and therefore prevention of those terrorist attacks in the first place."

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/december2006/241206Anthrax.htm

Interesting connection with Bowman/Moussaoui! See previous thread:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x137607

[CJCRANE]

29. Bushco has given himself the power to detain

any suspected terrorist indefinitely without evidence. Why tread so softly in this case where people have died and a potential WMD used?

[Tim Howells]

31. Right - that was the point, thanks (NT)

[greyl]

4. Antisemitic rubbish?

GD thread 1-15-07 with no response from T.H.

[John Q. Citizen]

6. Are you suggesting the Seattle Post intelligencer of being anti-semetic?

For publishing this article?

http://archives.seattletimes.nwsource.com/cgi-bin/texis.cgi/web/vortex/display?slug=detrick19&date=20011219

Or are you suggesting that TH is anti-semetic for posting the article?

Or are you repeating the claim of anti-semitism by Sagle against TH?

Or do you blame bush for these insider anthrax attacks, as does Sagle?

I'm not sure what you are suggesting, greyl.

Could you please be a little more explicit?

[John Q. Citizen]

18. greyl, cat got your tongue?

[greyl]

19. Actually, my post was waiting for a response from "T.H.". nt

[John Q. Citizen]

20. Perhaps he doesn't understand what it is you are suggesting either? If you clarify

it, maybe they will come.

[wildbilln864]

80. I guess he couldn't clarify. nt

[Twist_U_Up]

70. Could you please be a little more explicit?

Cat got your tongue ?

[Twist_U_Up]

28. Where are your "Freinds" to help you through this one ?

Usually when you post your cohorts tune into said subject.

Alls Im seeing are kicks from folks looking for some feedback from your side of the isle.

I thought for sure that anti-semetic card would work too.
Too bad for you
I would be ashamed if I were you.

[ocean girl]

5. Since I knew one of the victims who died from the anthrax

I'm grateful that you're keeping the subject alive.

Thanks for your work.

[Strange1]

7. MervinFerd

Where are you? Show us your supreme intelligence in this matter! What gives? Please give us a refutation.

[MervinFerd]

32. OK: "It's a piss-poor coverup if CTers can name the perp."

It is probable that the perp is a current or former employee of the Gov't labs. It is also plausible that a public investigation and trial would reveal things the military does not want known and that this has damaged the investigation.

It does not follow, however that:
1.) "The Government" did the deed. Could be an employee of the labs with mental health issues.
2.) That there is any connection to the 911 hijackings.
3.) That the named Colonel is the perp; the case against him is weak.

Overall, just more self-congratulation from the CT crowd.

[mikelewis]

8. What I find especially odd is that Bush broke the story about the Daschle Letter...

...live on a Q&A. The Letter was discovered at 9:45 a.m. and then at 12:11 p.m. Bush is telling the reporters about the letter. It was really fucking bizarre.


He was giving a statement after his meeting with Italian Prime Minister Berlusconi on Oct. 15th 2001 (the day Daschle received the letter)and just blurted out that another letter had been found and stated it was Anthrax.

THE PRESIDENT: We'll answer a couple of questions.

Q These anthrax attacks, sir, do you believe that there is any connection to bin Laden's organization? Your Vice President, on Friday, seemed to indicate there may be some possible link.

THE PRESIDENT: There may be some possible link. We have no hard data yet. But it's clear that Mr. bin Laden is a man who is an evil man. He and his spokesmen are openly bragging about how they hope to inflict more pain on our country. So we're watching every piece of evidence. We're making sure that we connect any dots that we have, to find out who's doing this. I wouldn't put it past him, but we don't have hard evidence, yet.

Q Do you have anything that points towards bin Laden, besides your gut? And has there been any other reports of anthrax tainted mail being received by U.S. businesses or government offices today?

THE PRESIDENT: There has been today. I just talked to Leader Daschle. His office received a letter, and it had anthrax in it. The letter was field tested. The staffers that have been exposed are being treated. The powder that had been field tested is now, obviously, going to the CDC lab.

Beyond that, I don't know more about it. I spoke to the Leader; he is, obviously, concerned, as am I. The key thing for the American people is to be cautious about letters that come from somebody you may not know, unmarked letters, letters that have got -- that look suspicious. And give those letters and packages to local law authorities.

Again, the process is working; but, today, the Senate Majority Leader, his office did receive a letter.

Q Was it definitely anthrax, or just a preliminary test, do you know?

THE PRESIDENT: The field test shows it to be anthrax. Ron, there's more tests being conducted as we speak. The Leader believes it is anthrax, but we'll find out more as time goes on.

They've got the letter. As he said, it was a letter that had been wrapped a lot and that the powder was within the confines of the -- within the envelope. It wasn't on the outside of the envelope, it was within the envelope. And a staffer opened the letter. They obviously became suspicious of the material within the letter and immediately called in for a field test. The field test was done, shows it to be anthrax, and then all people are being treated.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/10/20011015-3.html#

I'm not sure what to think about that... The way this rather astonishing information was released seemed so surreal. Think about it... the leader of the Senate was just attacked and Bush handles the press release in a Q&A session? How does that make any sense? Also the announcement was made 2 hours after the discovery of the letter and yet in all that time, no one noticed that the Senate Office's were suddenly surrounded by police cars, ambulances and federal agents from all letters of the alphabet? This happened before 10:00 in the morning on a Wednesday... how is it that the press doesn't already know? If they did already know... who told them to hold the story until Bush could release the info in person... along with a wild speculation of Bin Laden's involvement in the attacks?

[wildbilln864]

9. Yes that's...

very curious indeed! There's so many problems with the PNAC/Government conspiracy theory. Unbelievable this gets no exposure at all! :grr:

[Tim Howells]

25. Right ...

The mainstream media was all over this story when they thought it
would lead to Arab terrorists, but when it became obvious that this
was an inside job they dropped it immediately, and now you never
hear a word about anthrax.

Tim Howells

[John Q. Citizen]

11. That's weird.

[MinM]

72. Connecting the Daschle Dots

Was Tom Daschle being blackmailed or intimidated?

Bush asks Daschle to limit Sept. 11 probes

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11, congressional and White House sources told CNN.

The request was made at a private meeting with congressional leaders Tuesday morning. Sources said Bush initiated the conversation.

He asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said

Tuesday's discussion followed a rare call to Daschle from Vice President Dick Cheney last Friday to make the same request.

"The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism," Daschle told reporters..
http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe/index.html

Bush/Cheney stalled just long enough to never have to face Senate Hearings or a single subpoena ( in a timely manor at least ).


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kma-zvuq5bY

http://www.rollingstone.com/politics/story/11717105/robert_f_kennedy_jr__will_the_next_election_be_hacked/print

[CJCRANE]

12. "Anthrax 2001"

will be a fascinating documentary one day.

For me I think the anthrax attacks were like a second wave of attacks after 9/11 and the thing that kept the fear and paranoia stoked up.

[vincent_vega_lives]

78. Yes it will

For me I think it was completely unrelated to the 9-11 attacks.

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[wildbilln864]

17. great work Tim!

keep it up!
Kick!
:hi:

[file83]

21. This is the dog that didn't bark.

The Anthrax attacks were covered up. I mean, if our own government is doing this shit, why wouldn't it get covered up?

What could possibly be any other explanation? Not some B.S. explanation, but a logical, straight forward, explanation.

If someone has one, please share.

As far as that personal squabble between Lt. Col. Zack and Dr. Assad? Well, there may or may not be something there. But that is totally beside the point.

The point that debate misses is that the Anthrax attack investigation culminated in a cover up.

[bobthedrummer]

24. A cover-up and more, here's a crosspost from GD that is factual.

"BUSH ADMIN Allocating $43 Billion To Create An Illegal Biological Weapons Program" started by kpete 2-5-07
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x128146

[Tim Howells]

27. Once the trail lead to Fort Detrick ...

... and Fort Detrick is the location of USAMRIID, the premier US
biowarfare facility ... Once the investigation led straight into
the heart of our own military-industrial complex the FBI suddenly
reversed themselves and claimed that the trail had "gone cold".
As Profs Rosenberg and Doyle point out, this makes no sense at all.
Knowing the exact batch of anthrax that was used and the lab that
produced it, the FBI MUST know who the perpetrator is. (See the
original post).

Tim Howells

[RedSock]

42. cover up

Isn't it the FBI's story that the trail went cold and they have no clues?

[wildbilln864]

22. Five Americans Murdered in Cold Blood!

And no one has yet brought justice to their families. :wtf:

[wildbilln864]

23. kickung...

:hi: for the Bush/PNAC CT supporters!

[wildbilln864]

30. kick!

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

33. kick again!

:hi:


Why are the perpetrators of these murders getting away with it?
Just like Usama Bin Laden. :shrug:

[The Lone Groover]

34. Kick...

...don't you just love it when the Posse stays away from certain threads.

(greyl's lame attempt to make it an anti-semitic issue excepted).

[Bolo Boffin]

35. Down to a single laboratory?

http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/theamesstrain.html

Over the years, the Army and civilian scientists at USAMRIID have tested new variations of the vaccine, and it was for just such a test that the Army requested a strain of anthrax from the Department of Agriculture lab in Ames in 1980. What they received was a subculture of the anthrax that had killed the cow in western Iowa the year before.

In working with their new isolate, the scientists discovered something remarkable about it: the Ames strain excreted an especially potent toxin. Ames became known as a "hot," or highly virulent, strain, and by the late nineteen-eighties it had become the gold standard for anthrax strains. "It's hot, so people like to challenge their animals with the Ames to determine how well their vaccine or their treatment modality is working," Patrick says.

The Ames strain's reputation among laboratory scientists created a demand for it, and the demand was handily met. Philip Brachman says that if he had wanted to get hold of an anthrax strain, he could have simply written to a laboratory that had it and they would have sent it to him. Germ banks around the world maintain and sell from collections of bacteria, and hundreds of university and research laboratories freely exchange strains of various organisms. There are some limitations, particularly in the United States. The 1996 Anti-Terrorism Act requires that anyone dealing in dangerous pathogens must show a legitimate scientific purpose and must register with the Centers for Disease Control. But the law does not prohibit possession of those dangerous pathogens by non-scientists. Nor are background checks, such as those required before the purchase of a handgun, conducted upon the hiring of technicians who have access to pathogens in laboratories.

Ron Suskind, The One Percent Doctrine, p. 251:

One disclosure was particularly alarming: al Qaeda had, in fact, produced high-grade anthrax. Hambali, during interrogation, revealed its whereabouts in Afghanistan. The CIA soon descended on a house in Kandahar and discovered a small, extremely potent sample of the biological agent.

...What's more, it was produced, according to the intelligence, in the months before 9/11. And it could be easily reproduced to create a quantity that could be readily weaponized.

Carry on.

[The Lone Groover]

36. Wahey!

Bolo.. you surprise me.

What rational did Al-Qaeda have for the targets they selected in the Anthrax attack?

(I presume you think Al-Qaeda did it judging by your second post?)

[Bolo Boffin]

37. I don't know.

Al Qaeda can't be ruled out. If they did it, then focusing on Bush's political opponents and tabloid owners sounds like a "divide and conquer" strategy. Sowing seeds of distrust to polarize Washington further. I think the mostly Saudi composition of the hijackers was designed to have Americans abandon Saudi Arabia. Polarizing Democratic congresspeople further against Bush would make them scrutinize his ties further. And just general "We got this stuff" terror bullshit. Slow down the postal system and put one more damper on the American economy.

[The Lone Groover]

38. You mean a kind of...

...false flag operation carried out by Al Qaeda?

That is a beaut!!!!

Oh the sweet blessed irony.

[The Lone Groover]

40. Sorry.. I can't resist... it's too good...

...you have a conspiracy theory about Al Qaeda?

[vincent_vega_lives]

79. Perhaps so

But I rule them out. This was a domestic terrorist attack like OK City.

[The Lone Groover]

39. Kick...

for people who want a laugh.

[The Lone Groover]

41. kick-a-roo-ski. nt

[mhatrw]

43. There have been no successful terrorist attacks since 9/11!

NOT!

[The Lone Groover]

44. Al Queda did it as a false flag operation.

It's an intricate story of deception, but they definitely did it.
An OCTer told me.

[JackRiddler]

71. Don't you know, 9/11 was also a false-flag attack orchestrated by al-Qaeda

They left all these clues designed to make it look like a covert operation run by a U.S. intel group. And it worked. They out-double-thunk us!

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. From GD - Rep Holt Wants Hearings On FBI Anthrax Investigation

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=337179

[The Lone Groover]

46. Great!

Its about bleedin' time.

[The Lone Groover]

47. Great!

Oops dupe - sorry.

[wildbilln864]

48. kick!

:hi:

Who killed five Americans and is getting away with it?

[The Lone Groover]

49. Who killed 5 Americans...

..the OCTers are a bit short of ideas on this one. Well not all of them.

[The Lone Groover]

50. Kick...

..In the hope I hear more about the Al Queda false flag operation.

[The Lone Groover]

51. The K word.. I think OCTer's have missed this thread and...

..might like to make a belated contribution.

[wildbilln864]

52. Kick...I'm with you....

Groover! :hi:

[AZCat]

53. Considering that at least three of the first four replies...

were from posters normally considered to be OCTers, I think you can safely assume we haven't "missed" this thread.

[The Lone Groover]

54. Yep... they really engaged in this one.

Do you believe it was an Al Queda false flag operation as well AZCat?
Now's your chance to enlighten us.

[AZCat]

55. I'm not interested in discussing it.

That's why this particular "OCTer" hasn't participated in this thread until now.

[The Lone Groover]

56. Don't you think it's important? nt

[AZCat]

57. Why does that matter?

That doesn't determine whether I want to discuss it or not.

[The Lone Groover]

58. Well it points at an inside job.

Are you not interested in that?
You're normally quite vocal.

[AZCat]

59. I'm only vocal about issues I want to discuss.

I stay out of a lot of threads, including this one (at least until now) because regardless of how important I think something might be, I might not be interested in discussing it. This is one of those topics where I am not interested in discussing it.

[The Lone Groover]

60. Oh go on... tell us what you think.

You must admit it looks like an inside job.
Why do you think the media is not interested in this story?
How else could it be explained.

(There is of course always Bolo's conspiracy theory).

[AZCat]

61. Find someone else.

I'm not your Huckleberry.

[The Lone Groover]

62. Aren't you worried that you...

...a very vocal OCTer have no wish to discuss this extremely important issue?

What does that seem like?

It's got inside job written all over it. Do you agree?

[AZCat]

63. Why in the world would that worry me?

There are plenty of important issues that I don't wish to discuss, and I am not worried by that at all.

[The Lone Groover]

64. Your deliberate silence on the issue will be...

...be viewed with interest. Especially as you (and the other OCTers) are not so shy on other topics.

People will draw conclusions.

You wouldn't want them to come to the wrong ones would you.

A simple question: Do you think people are right to think that the anthrax attacks point to an inside job?

[AZCat]

65. I don't really give a shit what conclusions you come to.

Good luck finding other people to talk to about this - I'm done.

[The Lone Groover]

66. You're done.

Yep.

[wildbilln864]

67. kick!

:hi:

[greyl]

68. It is LoneGroover who is done.

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[wildbilln864]

69. Never forget!

:hi:

[Twist_U_Up]

74. Thanks for the reminder WB

;-) Truth to Power

[wildbilln864]

75. no probs twist.

:hi:

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[MinM]

76. Anthrax Investigations: Dead Microbiologists Revisted

http://www.opednews.com/maxwrite/diarypage.php?did=8559

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