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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:08 PM
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If journalists write that they believe LIHOP/MIHOP, will they be banned from the mainstream media?
I would guess a fair number of journalists believe in LIHOP or MIHOP, but realize their careers as journalists would be effectively over if they put it in writing or a public speech.

Am I right or are there examples of LIHOPERS/MIHOPERS still being published in the corporate media?
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Breeze54 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:18 PM
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1. I think so.
They're banned from DU!
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Viva_La_Revolution Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 03:48 PM
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2. beat me to it.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 04:53 PM
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3. Want to know what would happen, just read "Into the Buzzsaw"

Flexing the Power of the Press

By Michelle Goldberg, AlterNet. Posted April 23, 2002.

Kristina Borjesson talks about "Into the Buzzsaw" and her excommunication from mainstream journalism after she began challenging government assertions about TWA Flight 800.

Kristina Borjesson never expected to write an exposé of the business she'd devoted her life to. A 20-year veteran of mainstream journalism, she was a successful insider who produced for the country's most well-regarded news shows, including Frontline and 60 Minutes. Working with industry stars including Dan Rather, she'd won one Emmy and had been nominated for others. She said she imagined spending the rest of her life "going around the world, doing the stories, doing documentaries, having a great time and putting out important information."

As she writes in her book "Into the Buzzsaw", "Trust me, never in a million years did I ever imagine that I'd find myself in my current position as some kind of rebel trying to take on America's journalism establishment. I was reared a member of Haiti's Morally Repugnant Elite‚ and educated, for the most part, in private institutions, including Columbia University's Graduate School of Journalism. Not a thing in my frankly elitist background prepared me for this experience."

The experience she's talking about is her excommunication from mainstream journalism for digging too deep on the TWA 800 story, which she'd been assigned to research for CBS. Like the other reporters whose stories she collected in "Into the Buzzsaw," she essentially lost her job for doing it too well.

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Besides, those who challenge the powerful are likely to be denied access in the future, and a journalist without access to top people is at a huge professional disadvantage. Michael Levine, a DEA agent turned drug war critic and best-selling author who now works with Borjesson, recalls "icing out" a CBS executive who challenged the authenticity of a major DEA raid. "He had no access and it hurt his career," says Levine. More often than not, the threat was enough to make news organizations compliant. "Quite frankly, when I was a DEA officer, I was astonished at how easy it was for our public affairs people to put out anything they wanted," Levine says.

http://www.alternet.org/story/12941/



From Publishers Weekly
In this uneven yet illuminating anthology, editor Borjesson succinctly explains the journalist's predicament: "The buzzsaw is what can rip through you when you try to investigate or expose anything this country's large institutions be they corporate or government want kept under wraps." Indeed, if members of the general public read this book, or even portions of it, they will be appalled. To the uninitiated reader, the accounts of what goes on behind the scenes at major news organizations are shocking. Executives regularly squelch legitimate stories that will lower their ratings, upset their advertisers or miff their investors. Unfortunately, this dirt is unlikely to reach unknowing news audiences, as this volume's likely readership is already familiar with the current state of journalism. Here, Murrow Award-winning reporter Borjesson edits essays by journalists from the Associated Press to CBS News to the New York Times. Each tells of their difficulties with news higher-ups as they tried to publish or air controversial stories relating to everything from toxic dump sites and civilian casualties to police brutality and dangerous hospitals.

http://www.amazon.com/Into-Buzzsaw-Leading-Journalists-Expose/dp/1591022304/sr=1-1/qid=1170020922/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-4938084-5107059?ie=UTF8&s=books
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 04:55 PM
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4. The offical story by
Fred F. Fielding, Blackwater lawyer and now White House lawyer (also Reagan and Nixon), with parts left out courtsy of Philip D. Zelikow.


http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=NGJhZWU0ZDQ2YTBmZThkMGUyMmYxZWE4NDYwMGVlYmY=

Fred Fielding held one of the most important jobs on the Bush transition team of 2000-01. He was the guy who met with potential cabinet nominees one-on-one, in a locked room with the windowshades drawn, and asked what was potentially a very sensitive question: "Anything in your background that might embarass the president?" The guy is presumably a world-class keeper of secrets.
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sweetheart Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 08:25 PM
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9. no *this* is the official story
Bilbo was hiding in the back of the cave when osama the dragon told him that he had some
airplanes prepped for revenge for beirut and american meddling. Bilbo then sneaked around with
gandalf and set magic explosives all around the villiage that osama smaug was about to attack.
With clever timing, whilst the bowmen of the villiage were shooting at the dragon, it crashed
down in to the villiage church towers, which collapsed strangely afterwards in mushroom clouds
with gandalf snickering greedily on all the bux he'z be rakin' in:

Meanwhile sauron buffed up his defenses at baradur, and the cloud continued to gather over gondor
and the shire.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:49 PM
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27. This offense against my countryman and relative will not go unanswered.
:rofl:
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:56 PM
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13. Can't access the article. Can't google it either. All links go back to yours.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 02:58 PM
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14. I just tried it
and got there, try it again :hi:
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TahitiNut Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 04:57 PM
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5. It's not their job to "write what they believe."
That's what common-taters and columnists do, not journalists. Journalists journalize ... report. :shrug:

For example, Keith Olbermann does both: commentary and reporting. More of the former than latter, thankfully.

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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 05:21 PM
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7. I mean journalist in the broader sense. Reporters are just one type of journalist.
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RegimeChange2008 Donating Member (183 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 04:57 PM
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6. Mike Malloy was fired from Air America not long after he said that he did NOT accept .....
...the "official story" of 9-11. He has never categorized his beliefs as LIHOP or MIHOP or anything in between, only that he thinks the official story is (in his own words) "batsqueeze". I would guess that it was at least a factor in those corporatist right wing pigs firing him.
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 08:17 PM
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8. Well considering that the role of the lamestream media
is to cover up as much as possible goverment malfeasance and corruption rather than to expose it (see evidence below), yes they probably would get the sack.


How the Washington Post Censors the News

A Letter to the Washington Post
by Julian C. Holmes

April 25, 1992
Richard Harwood, Ombudsman
The Washington Post
1150 15th Street NW
Washington, DC 20071

Dear Mr. Harwood,

Though the Washington Post does not over-extend itself in the pursuit of hard news, just let drop the faintest rumor of a government "conspiracy", and a klaxon horn goes off in the news room. Aroused from apathy in the daily routine of reporting assignations and various other political and social sports events, editors and reporters scramble to the phones. The klaxon screams its warning: the greatest single threat to herd-journalism, corporate profits, and government stability -- the dreaded "CONSPIRACY THEORY"!!

It is not known whether anyone has actually been hassled or accosted by any of these frightful spectres, but their presence is announced to Post readers with a salvo of warnings to avoid the tricky, sticky webs spun by the wacko "CONSPIRACY THEORISTS".

Recall how the Post saved us from the truth about Iran-Contra.
Professional conspiracy exorcist Mark Hosenball was hired to ridicule the idea that Oliver North and his CIA-associated gangsters had conspired to do wrong (*1). And when, in their syndicated column, Jack Anderson and Dale Van Atta discussed some of the conspirators, the Post sprang to protect its readers, and the conspirators, by censoring the Anderson column before printing it (*2).

But for some time the lid had been coming off the Iran-Contra conspiracy. In 1986, the Christic Institute, an interfaith center for law and public policy, had filed a lawsuit alleging a U.S. arms-for-drugs trade that helped keep weapons flowing to the CIA-Contra army in Nicaragua, and cocaine flowing to U.S. markets (*3). In 1988 Leslie Cockburn published Out of Control, a seminal work on our bizarre, illegal war against Nicaragua (*4). The Post contributed to this discovery process by disparaging the charges of conspiracy and by publishing false information about the drug-smuggling evidence presented to the House Subcommittee on Narcotics Abuse and Control. When accused by Committee Chairman Charles Rangel (D-NY). of misleading reporting, the Post printed only a partial correction and declined to print a letter of complaint from Rangel (*5).

http://www.copi.com/articles/holmes1.html



A Study of Bias in the Associated Press

By Peter Phillips, Sarah Randle, Brian Fuch, Zoe Huffman, and Fabrice Romero

On October 25, 2005 the American Civil Liberties (ACLU) posted to their website 44 autopsy reports, acquired from American military sources, covering the deaths of civilians who died while in US military prisons in Iraq and Afghanistan in 2002-2004. A press release by ACLU announcing the deaths resulted from torture was immediately picked up by Associated Press (AP) wire service, making the story available to US corporate media nationwide. A thorough check of Nexus-Lexus and Proquest electronic data bases, using the keywords ACLU and autopsy, showed that at least 95 percent of the daily papers in the US did not to pick up the story nor did AP ever conduct follow up coverage on the issue.

The autopsy reports provide positive proof of widespread torture by US forces. Our research team at Project Censored felt that this story should have been front page news throughout the country. Instead the story was hardly covered and quickly disappeared. One of forty-four US military autopsy reports reads as follows: “Final Autopsy Report: DOD 003164, (Detainee) Died as a result of asphyxia (lack of oxygen to the brain) due to strangulation as evidenced by the recently fractured hyoid bone in the neck and soft tissue hemorrhage extending downward to the level of the right thyroid cartilage. Autopsy revealed bone fracture, rib fractures, contusions in mid abdomen, back and buttocks extending to the left flank, abrasions, lateral buttocks. Contusions, back of legs and knees; abrasions on knees, left fingers and encircling to left wrist. Lacerations and superficial cuts, right 4th and 5th fingers. Also, blunt force injuries, predominately recent contusions (bruises) on the torso and lower extremities. Abrasions on left wrist are consistent with use of restraints. No evidence of defense injuries or natural disease. Manner of death is homicide. Whitehorse Detainment Facility, Nasiriyah, Iraq.”

A second report describes how a 27-year-old Iraqi male died while being interrogated by Navy Seals on April 5, 2004 in Mosul, Iraq. During his confinement he was hooded, flex-cuffed, sleep deprived and subjected to hot and cold environmental conditions, including the use of cold water on his body and hood. The exact cause of death was “undetermined” although the autopsy stated that hypothermia may have contributed to his death.
Another Iraqi detainee died on January 9, 2004 in Al Asad, Iraq, while being interrogated. He was standing, shackled to the top of a doorframe with a gag in his mouth, at the time he died. The cause of death was asphyxia and blunt force injuries. Anthony Romero, Executive Director of ACLU stated, “There is no question that US interrogations have resulted in deaths.” ACLU attorney Amrit Sing adds, “These documents present irrefutable evidence that US operatives tortured detainees to death during interrogations.”

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Our research showed that the Los Angeles Times covered the story on page A-4 with a 635-word report headlined “Autopsies Support Abuse Allegations.” Fewer than a dozen other daily newspapers including: Bangor Daily News, Maine, page 8; Telegraph-Herald, Dubuque Iowa, page 6; Charleston Gazette, page 5; Advocate, Baton Rouge, page 11; and a half dozen others actually covered the story. The Pittsburgh Post-Gazette and the Seattle Times buried the story inside general Iraq news articles. USA Today posted the story on their website. MSNBC posted the story to their website, but apparently did not consider it newsworthy enough to air on television.

Given that nearly every daily newspaper in the United States subscribes to AP wire service and that AP had in fact sent out the torture story led us to question if story selection bias was widespread within US newspapers and if bias was evident within the AP system itself.

http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/ap_bias.html




Big Media Interlocks
with Corporate America


By Peter Phillips

Mainstream media is the term often used to describe the collective group of big TV, radio and newspapers in the United States. Mainstream implies that the news being produced is for the benefit and enlightenment of the mainstream population—the majority of people living in the US. Mainstream media include a number of communication mediums that carry almost all the news and information on world affairs that most Americans receive. The word media is plural, implying a diversity of news sources.

However, mainstream media no longer produce news for the mainstream population—nor should we consider the media as plural. Instead it is more accurate to speak of big media in the US today as the corporate media and to use the term in the singular tense—as it refers to the singular monolithic top-down power structure of self-interested news giants.

A research team at Sonoma State University has recently finished conducting a network analysis of the boards of directors of the ten big media organizations in the US. The team determined that only 118 people comprise the membership on the boards of director of the ten big media giants. This is a small enough group to fit in a moderate size university classroom. These 118 individuals in turn sit on the corporate boards of 288 national and international corporations. In fact, eight out of ten big media giants share common memberships on boards of directors with each other. NBC and the Washington Post both have board members who sit on Coca Cola and J. P. Morgan, while the Tribune Company, The New York Times and Gannett all have members who share a seat on Pepsi. It is kind of like one big happy family of interlocks and shared interests. The following are but a few of the corporate board interlocks for the big ten media giants in the US:

New York Times: Caryle Group, Eli Lilly, Ford, Johnson and Johnson, Hallmark,
Lehman Brothers, Staples, Pepsi
Washington Post: Lockheed Martin, Coca-Cola, Dun & Bradstreet, Gillette,
G.E. Investments, J.P. Morgan, Moody's
Knight-Ridder: Adobe Systems, Echelon, H&R Block, Kimberly-Clark, Starwood Hotels
The Tribune (Chicago & LA Times): 3M, Allstate, Caterpillar, Conoco Phillips, Kraft,
McDonalds, Pepsi, Quaker Oats, Shering Plough, Wells Fargo
News Corp (Fox): British Airways, Rothschild Investments
GE (NBC): Anheuser-Busch, Avon, Bechtel, Chevron/Texaco, Coca-Cola, Dell, GM,
Home Depot, Kellogg, J.P. Morgan, Microsoft, Motorola, Procter & Gamble,
Disney (ABC): Boeing, Northwest Airlines, Clorox, Estee Lauder, FedEx, Gillette,
Halliburton, Kmart, McKesson, Staples, Yahoo,
Viacom (CBS): American Express, Consolidated Edison, Oracle, Lafarge North America
Gannett: AP, Lockheed-Martin, Continental Airlines, Goldman Sachs, Prudential, Target,
Pepsi,
AOL-Time Warner (CNN): Citigroup, Estee Lauder, Colgate-Palmolive, Hilton

http://www.projectcensored.org/newsflash/big_media_interlocks.html

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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:07 PM
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10. Thanks for the links. Kick nt
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JohnyCanuck Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 11:32 PM
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12. You're most welcome. n/t
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:33 PM
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15. Fwiw, from a year ago "Reality vs. perception management:the tinfoil controversy"
yep, there really is information warfare here in HOMELAND(tm), and a propaganda network aka MSM.
DU archive thread started 1-6-06
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=364x71919
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 03:54 PM
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16. Thanks for bringing that thread back. Lots of valuable links there.
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bobthedrummer Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 04:03 PM
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17. Use them liberally, spread them around...
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blm Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-28-07 10:33 PM
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11. Journalists who reported the truth on IranContra were blackballed - and some
were suicided for reporting other crimes of Reagan-Bush years.

I am sure the same fate would happen even quicker to any reporter who laid out that case on 8-11 in any mainstream way.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-29-07 04:11 PM
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18. Remember Charlie Sheen
on CNN's Showbiz tonight? That's the only breakthrough into the MSM that I can recall.

The story ran three nights in a row and seemed to be picking up steam but then just suddenly vanished as if it had never happened.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 05:02 AM
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19. BTW I'm referring
to an interview with Charlie Sheen where he talked about controlled demolition of the WTC and other wacky ideas. It seemed that there were other Hollywood stars who agreed with his ideas but they never came forward in the end as Sheen was either ignored or ridiculed because of this interview.
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 05:52 AM
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20. OK, I see what you mean. The NY Post and Boston Herald pieces are gone from the Net.
Google Caught Censoring Charlie Sheen 9/11 Story
Google is again embroiled in a censorship scandal after being caught blocking information about Charlie Sheen's 9/11 comments, despite the fact that every other major search engine had indexed the pages.

For days, major search engines like Yahoo and others contained tens of thousands of web pages relating to Sheen's comments first broadcast on the Alex Jones Show on Monday afternoon. Last night CNN aired a piece on the issue and by early this morning both the New York Post and the Boston Herald ran articles.

We first noticed that there were no search results related to the story on Google the day after we broke the Sheen story. At first we decided to be fair and wait another day for Google to index an article which was by now linked on thousands of other websites and blogs. By Thursday afternoon, and with the story receiving more traffic, Google still had not indexed any material relating to the Sheen interview, from Prison Planet.com or any other websites. This despite the fact that the Drudge Report had briefly directly linked to our article, sending it millions of visitors.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/march2006/230306googlecensoring.htm

MSM Attacks Charlie Sheen Over 9/11 Comments
Finally covers story, Neo-Cons start frothing at the mouth
The mainstream media has finally seen fit to cover Charlie Sheen's comments on 9/11with both the New York Post and the Boston Herald penning hit pieces that seek to smear Sheen as an unstable crackpot. Several smaller Neo-Con websites are also frothing at the mouth at the latest example of what they see as a Hollywood led 'vast left-wing conspiracy'.

On Monday Charlie Sheen appeared on the Alex Jones Show to go public on his serious doubts about the official story behind 9/11. Despite an early link on the Drudge Report which was quickly pulled, only the Defamer, a LA gossip rag picked up the story. Until today.

New York Post
The New York Post's popular and influential celebrity gossip 'Page Six' section ran with the story today and immediately castigated Sheen as a member of the tin foil hat wearing crowd.

"CHARLIE Sheen has joined the 9/11 gone-bonkers brigade," wrote the Post before quoting some of his statements from the interview.

Boston Herald
The Herald immediately went for the yellow journalism tactic of attacking the messenger rather than the message, going for the throat of Sheen's personal life.
http://www.propagandamatrix.com/articles/march2006/230306attackssheen.htm

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Donald Ian Rankin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:22 AM
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21. Well, not unreasonably, people will stop taking them seriously.
Clearly demonstrating that one is unable to distinguish fact from fiction will certainly not increase respect for one in journalistic circles, although I don't know whether one would end up "banned".
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oblivious Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 06:39 AM
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22. I imagine many readers will take them seriously, but I mean the editors and publishers.
The gatekeepers.

Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks
Released: August 30, 2004
Half of New Yorkers Believe US Leaders Had Foreknowledge of Impending 9-11 Attacks and “Consciously Failed” To Act; 66% Call For New Probe of Unanswered Questions by Congress or New York’s Attorney General, New Zogby International Poll Reveals

On the eve of a Republican National Convention invoking 9/11 symbols, sound bytes and imagery, half (49.3%) of New York City residents and 41% of New York citizens overall say that some of our leaders "knew in advance that attacks were planned on or around September 11, 2001, and that they consciously failed to act," according to the poll conducted by Zogby International. The poll of New York residents was conducted from Tuesday August 24 through Thursday August 26, 2004. Overall results have a margin of sampling error of +/-3.5.

The poll is the first of its kind conducted in America that surveys attitudes regarding US government complicity in the 9/11 tragedy. Despite the acute legal and political implications of this accusation, nearly 30% of registered Republicans and over 38% of those who described themselves as "very conservative" supported the claim.
http://www.zogby.com/search/ReadNews.dbm?ID=855
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Anarcho-Socialist Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:12 AM
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23. Mainstream journalism considers MIHOP/LIHOP conspiracies to be nuts
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Bryan Sacks Donating Member (732 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:50 AM
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26. Just as they considered Iran/Contra to be nuts, right up until it was fact n/t

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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 01:55 PM
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28. great point!
:yourock:
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Norrin Radd Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:38 AM
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24. Mainstream journalism is soooo admired by DU.
:sarcasm:
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Jan-30-07 11:48 AM
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25. New York Magazine journo admitted to being LIHOP/MIHOP
Don't have time to get his name right now, but a year or so ago, New York Magazine ran an extensive and fairly sympathetic overview of the truth movement.

The journalist who wrote it was interviewed in Rachel Maddow's show. At the end, she asked if he was LIHOP or MIHOP, and if I remember, he said he was LIHOP but leaning toward MIHOP.

BTW, he was at the WTC on 9/11 and watched the collapse of WTC 7, which apparently had a big effect on his thinking about it.
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