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Tim Howells Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 03:16 AM
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Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases
Alleged Hijackers May Have Trained at U.S. Bases
The Pentagon has turned over military records on five men to the FBI
September 15, 2001
By George Wehrfritz, Catharine Skipp and John Barry
NEWSWEEK

Sept. 15 — U.S. military sources have given the FBI information that suggests five of the alleged hijackers of the planes that were used in Tuesday’s terror attacks received training at secure U.S. military installations in the 1990s.
THREE OF THE alleged hijackers listed their address on drivers licenses and car registrations as the Naval Air Station in Pensacola, Fla.—known as the “Cradle of U.S. Navy Aviation,” according to a high-ranking U.S. Navy source.
Another of the alleged hijackers may have been trained in strategy and tactics at the Air War College in Montgomery, Ala., said another high-ranking Pentagon official. The fifth man may have received language instruction at Lackland Air Force Base in San Antonio, Tex. Both were former Saudi Air Force pilots who had come to the United States, according to the Pentagon source.

... MORE AT LINK ...
http://www.prisonplanet.com/alleged_hijackers_may_trained_us_bases.html

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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:22 AM
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1. Hey Tim I am hearing you..........
but let me warn you that although the website you provided has a VAST AMOUNT of solid verified evidence and facts, the management at DU decided that we could not distribute his info . Why ? Probably because he holds a single veiw that they dispise. Kinda like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

Actually I like AJ He is 99% of the time spot on. He did predict 9-11 months before it happened. That is never brought up here though.

He has a TON of Solid Info on his site.
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Tim Howells Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 09:54 AM
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2. Yeah, I know ...
But in this case I'm just linking to his copy of a
Newsweek article, so I'm hoping it will continue to
slip by. If not there are other sites that have
copies of the same article.

By the way, I hope that this info about the 911
terrorists training at US military bases answers the
question of why Gladio is relevant to Sept. 11.

Then again, if you have to ask ...

Tim
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 10:06 AM
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3. You will get no responses from the OCTers.
It seems that they dont respond to these type posts. They would rather throw inuendo and talk potatoes or viagra.
Must be there is no chapter for dealing with the supposed hijackers of 911 in the "How to Disrupt a Truth Movement Forum Manual" .
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 01:03 PM
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4. lol, that's a good one Twist!
:hi:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 01:28 AM
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10. It's not exactly new news, TUU.
I'm glad to see you supporting a fairly sensible line of inquiry.
Let's keep it up.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:11 AM
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14. actually............
I could give three turds what you think, but thanks for the encouraging post nonetheless.
Have a great debunking filled day :eyes:
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:18 AM
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16. You're ignoring the explanation for why this thread hasn't gotten much attention.
Whatever.
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Andre II Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 05:07 AM
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17. Confusion
The official explaniation by the Pentagon was that the people having the same names as the alleged hijackers training at military schools "were probably" different people. We have six cases of alleged hijackers who might have trained at military schools.
Now, why until today not one of the six people having the same name and having trained at military schools (but not being the alleged hijackers) have been presented to the public or been interviewed by journalists?
Show us the six people who have the same names and trained at military schools and the case might be closed. The fact that this hasn't been done makes the eyebrows raise.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 01:34 AM
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12. Why not link to one of the other sources? (dc.indymedia, for example)
Why do you think it's important that your link to prisonplanet "slips by", as you put it?

It's almost like you're more interested in linking to prisonplanet than simply disseminating the info contained in the original article.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 08:29 PM
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6. Your right
David Duke might have some good ideas also, but I don't listen to him either.
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 01:26 AM
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9. Im not talking ideas, Im talking facts
Edited on Thu Feb-01-07 01:27 AM by Twist_U_Up
something you people seem to over look.
Like I said, kinda like throwing the baby out with the bath water.

But I know, your way is much more convenient.
If thats the side you prefer to stand on.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 01:32 AM
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11. "May have" is a fact? nt
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Twist_U_Up Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:07 AM
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13. What the hell are you babbling about now ?
Somehow I posted to a poppa guy and you end up chiming in.
Alright Ill play
May Have ? Please explain your rudeness, because I can never understand your posts to begin with.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 08:15 AM
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15. You claimed you were "talking facts".
What did you mean? State those facts.
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leftofthedial Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-31-07 02:54 PM
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5. so if the US military are among the "evil dewars"
the disastrous bush policy in Iraq that is destroying our military makes a kind of perverse sense
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wildbilln864 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 12:56 AM
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7. It's not the U.S. military that are the "evil dewars"...
it's the individuals who control them IMO.
Here's a link.
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greyl Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-01-07 01:14 AM
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8. Wow, you linked to a great article, wb. nt
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-02-07 10:18 AM
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18. Thanks for the original source
I have read about this second hand, but it's amazing to see that it was reported in Newsweek, based on "US military sources."
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Tim Howells Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:01 AM
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19. Yeah, by today's standards this is a remarkable article ...
... The same could be said of a few others that came out
in the immediate aftermath of 911 - real investigative
journalism. But then the fix went in.
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John Q. Citizen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 09:34 PM
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20. there were alot of good local articles that just disappeared as the white wash
took over.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:13 PM
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21. Military sources
Somebody knew. They became a military source. I'd bet they have been stationed in the ME ever since. (rhetoric, oct'ers, rhetoric)

Then we've got the fact that a closely linked to CIA airbase in Fla. was used in flight instruction by some of the supposed hijackers. Well, did the 9/11 commish have any of this in the white wash?

I think not.

What a shame. The octers could use that info right about now in order to make their theory coherent. Anyway, the omissions speak volumes, and there are volumes upon volumes of omissions from the oct. At least we are trying to cover all the bases, eh?



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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:27 PM
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22. Where is
it a fact there is a CIA airbase in FL. and the hijackers used this facility? And out of all the people that "knew", you just one would have come forward to cleanse their soul.
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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 10:40 PM
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23. Big Pappa
The verbatim is "...closely linked to CIA..." It is a private base in Naples, or Venice, Fla. Drugs were thought to have been run through there and many a private owned airplane with CIA connections has been based there.

I am surprised you never heard about this... it's all very. old. news. Indeed, IIRC, Jeb Bush flew in there and scooped up all the records from that place @ Sept 12, 2001.

Really, are you saying you never heard about all this? Of course, again, IIRC, the 9/11 commish never covered these items, so if all you have read was their whitewash, that explains a lot.
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Feb-07-07 11:52 PM
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24. This just gets better.
You are telling me that Jeb flew in and scooped up all the records. Holy shit. Can you show me where this place is on Google map? If it is old news then it should not be a problem.
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Tim Howells Donating Member (224 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 02:23 AM
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25. This is Venice Airport in FLA ..
The best source on this is "Welcome to Terrorland"
by Daniel Hopsicker
Here's a review I wrote when it came out:

=======================================================

Welcome to Terrorland" by Daniel Hopsicker
"Welcome to Terrorland" by Daniel Hopsicker, Mad Cow Press,
Eugene Oregon, 2004.

To its eternal disgrace, the mainstream media in the US has
avoided any investigation into the background of the terrorist
attacks of September 11 2001 like the plague. Lesser crimes,
serial murders and kidnappings, are daily reviewed in every
detail, and the backgrounds and motives of the perpetrators
are scrutinized in the press, but September 11 is almost
completely off limits. The reasons for this are becoming ever
more apparent.

One single journalist has courageously bucked this trend and
paid the ultimate journalistic penalty; although previously an
executive producer for NBC who regularly saw his investigations
aired internationally, his work now can only be self-published
and diseminated on the internet. Given the truly disgusting
state of journalism in the United States, Daniel Hopsicker can
take this as the highest possible compliment. Every american
should immediately go to his website, and purchase his latest
book: "Welcome to Terrorland":

www.madcowprod.com

This book contains a wealth of material concerning lead
September 11 hijacker Mohamed Atta and his associates, and
their activities in Florida in the year prior to September 11.
This has been gathered through determined investigative work:
running down Atta's former girlfriend (who had been frightened
into hiding by the FBI), and interviewing his former neighbors
and fellow "flight students" and employers. Hopsicker has also
made tremendous strides in advancing our understanding of these
events by uncovering to a large extent the network of business
and political connections behind the "flight school" that Atta
and two other September 11 pilots attended in Venice Beach,
Florida. That's in quotes because Hopsicker convincing
demonstrates that Huffman Aviation was a front company for
shady enterprises connected to organized crime, evangelical
Christian organizations, Israel, and the CIA.

Huffman Aviation was run by a Dutch national, Rudi Dekkers, and
financed by Wallace Hilliard of Naples Florida. The financial
arrangements for this partnership are hard to understand by
normal business standards.

****** QUOTE ON *******

The Dekkers-Hilliard partnership lost money from the first
day it began. There is no hint it mattered to either man.
It is widely known - and confirmed by Hilliard
himself in filings at the Sarasota Courthouse - that the
Naples financier lost between five and seven million
dollars in his aviation partnerships with Dekkers.
But that was clearly all right with him, because
when they bought Huffman Aviation, they were ALREADY
losing sizable amounts of money every month at the FIRST
flight school they'd purchased, in Naples.
"When they bought Huffman, they were already losing
$40,000 a month on the Naples school, said Stuart
Burchill, a former Hilliard accountant. "It was
ridiculous. No one could understand why they'd want to
double the pain." (Hopsicker, pg 184)

****** QUOTE OFF ******

The "losses" of the Hilliard/Dekker enterprises at Venice
airport far exceed the the five to seven million dollars
reported in Sarasota. According to Hilliard's jet manager at
Venice, John Vilada, Hilliard lost $40 million in three years
(Hopsicker, pg 260).

It's not hard to guess how Hilliard and Dekkers maintain their
lives of luxury in the face of such losses. One of Hilliard's
airplanes was raided by the DEA, resulting in the confiscation
of 43 pounds of heroin. According to the Orlando Sentinal this
was "the largest find of its kind in the southearern United
States in recent years." But this was no doubt the tip of the
iceberg since the pilot told the DEA he had made the exact same
run 30 times in the last 9 months (Hopsicker, pgs 245 - 252).

In spite of being the owner of the airplane and co-owner of
the charter company that arranged the flights, Hilliard was
never charged, although in a blatant contradiction the DEA
refused to return his airplane. It's safe to say that this
solves the mystery of Hilliard's very evident wealth in the
face of of a long string of business "failures" and bankrupcy
proceedings.

But how was Hilliard able to avoid prosecution for drug
trafficking? Again the answer is not hard to find. Wallace
Hilliard is very tight with many powerful politicians. In
spite of his dismal history in legtimate busniss, Florida
governor and presidential brother Jeb Bush has personally
endorsed his airline (Hopsicker, pg 328), as has Florida
Secretary of State Katherine Harris (Hopsicker, pg 239). A
photograph of Hilliard with Bill Clinton is on display in
Hilliard's $3 million mansion (Hopsicker, pg 262). In fact,
when Hilliard's plane was confiscated for drug running, Truman
Arnold, the chief fund-raiser for the Democratic party in 1995,
stepped in and "loaned" Hilliard, for the grand sum of one
dollar, a Beechcraft King Air 200 worth over $2 million.
(Hopsicker, pg 326).

The other co-owner of Hilliard's drug running Venice based
charter company, Mark Shubin, is also involved in a partnership
with Ken Good. Good was a major player in the notorious
"Silverado" scam with the OTHER presidential brother, Neil
Bush. The scam relieved the american taxpayer of roughly one
billion dollars, and again, no one was charged.

Hopsicker's conclusion seems hard to dispute: The flight
school attended by Mohammed Atta and two of the other
September 11 pilots was a front company for a drug-running,
CIA-protected racket.

It's very easy to see why neither political party has shown the
slightest interest in mounting an investigation of September 11.
No one wants to turn over this rock.

****** QUOTE ON *******

Records from flight school were deemed
sensitive enough to have merited being ecorted back to
Washington by Florida Governor Jeb Bush aboard a C-130
cargo plane which left Sarasota less than 24 hours after
the September 11 attack. (Hopsicker, pg 185).

****** QUOTE OFF ******

I have only scratched the surface of what Hopsicker has
uncovered here; there's much, much more. Just a quick hint
of what else you will find here. According to his girlfriend
and others who knew him, Atta was hardly the novice flight
student/Islamic fundamentalist portrayed by the media. He
acted more like an instructor than a student, and had pilot
licenses from several countries. He was fluent in several
languages, including Hebrew. He had a serious cocaine habit,
and was always dressed to kill. People who encountered him
frequently said that they had the impression he was mafia.
His associates in Venice were primarily other highly qualified
pilots - mostly european.

Anyway - GET IT AND READ IT YOURSELF!! This is the most
important investigative report on September 11 since "War on
Freedom" by Nafeez Mosaddeq Ahmed came out.

Tim Howells
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Big Pappa Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-08-07 02:59 AM
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26. I do not
know about their business practices, or the fact one of his pilots got busted. That may very well be. But if this is truly run by the CIA then what was DEA doing busting their operation? You think they would have been told hands off. Also why would Clinton or Jeb be seen with these guys would that not bring suspicion. I am having a hard time with its plausibility. I mean hell anything a President does is closely scrutinized down to "what book he was reading to a classroom". I cannot believe that the CIA would let anyone of importance around this place if it is CIA. Your source was an interesting read none the less. Thanks Tim.
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