VIDEO: Did HBO Cover Up Bomb Use At The WTC on 9/11?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9XqXbGDIHcA

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

1. And let us not forget William Rodriguez, a Decorated 9/11 hero who has said

"I was on B1 level, talking to my supervisor, when we suddenly heard a massive explosion," he says.

"It was so strong the walls began to crumble and the false ceiling fell on top of us.

"Then, seconds later, there was another explosion way above, which made the building sway from side to side. And this, we later discovered, was the first plane hitting the North Tower on the 90th floor."

This is a snip for an article that can be read here
http://www.theargus.co.uk/misc/print.php?artid=1219050

[SidDithers]

9. So you agree that the Titanic was also blown up then...

"I was asleep in my cabin when the crash came," said Mrs. Bucknell, beginning her account of the disaster. "I cannot explain just what the noise was like, except that it was horrible and sounded like a mixture of thunder and explosions."

http://gaslight.mtroyal.ca/titnch13.htm

After all, if you hear explosions, it must be a bomb.

Sid

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

10. The point is that William Rodriguez was in the sub-basement when there was an explosion

down there before the first plane hit. Can you explain that? Can you also explain that when he was guiding firefighters up the stairs, there were lower floors that appeared to be bombed out. Can you explain that?


BTW...what did you think of the video and the explosions that could be heard? Can you explain those?

[SidDithers]

12. From that video, there the sound of an explosion...

while the first responders are speaking on the payphone. Are you saying that was a bomb?

Sid

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

13. I didn't say it was a bomb, but it was an explosion and I guess you didn't watch the rest

of the video where other explosions were heard. Then of course, on the very same video, there were reports from reporters (plural) of possible bombs.

[SidDithers]

14. The title of your OP asks about a Bomb!...

and you gave no indication that you thought differently in your posts replying to me. What was I to think?

And yes, I did watch the entire video. There's 5 1/2 minutes of my life I'll never get back.

Reporters got lots of things wrong on September 11. See the BBC, Aaron Brown and reports of explosions at the Captiol Building.

Sid

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

15. That was the title of the video. nt

[SidDithers]

16. Ah, I understand...

so then you don't think it was a bomb.

Sid

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

17. Honestly, I don't know what caused those explosions and frankly, I would love to

know. Wouldn't you?

On edit...too bad most of the evidence was carted out and sold overseas.

[jberryhill]

24. There are a lot of these in any urban area

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674646408572574875

There was an electrical substation under WTC 7, and NINE diesel generators on the fifth floor.

Guess what electrical transformers - like the ones you see on telephone poles - are filled with?

[jschurchin]

31. At one time transformers were filled

with a substance known as polychlorinated biphenyls, but since it was thought to cause cancer it is no longer used. Currently most transformers are filled with oil.

[jberryhill]

33. You shouldn't have tried for the extra credit on that, JS

Power transformers have always been filled with oil. PCB's were an additive to the oil, and PCB use has been discontinued.

But you got the main point right - From the cylindrical ones on the poles outside your neighborhood, to the bigger ones at the nearby substation, and on to the massive ones beneath the WTC towers and the truly huge ones at the Con Ed substation in WTC 7, they are all filled with flammable oil.

Now, what happens when a transformer overloads due to, say, a sudden large electrical transient or physical shock?

Any ideas?

Here's a hint...

http://www.cnn.com/US/9910/16/california.quake.04/index.html?eref=sitesearch

California earthquake injures 4

The earthquake was felt across hundreds of miles of Southern California and as far away as Yuma, Arizona. Between 5,000 and 10,000 people lost power in Los Angeles, and there were reports of transformer explosions.


Okay, don't tell me, let me guess. The Northridge quake was really a secret government op, and that's why there were reports of explosions.

Look for transformer explosion reports whenever you see news of an earthquake, hurricane, tornado, large fire, or other event that suddenly disrupts the grid.

Do you believe there were no transformer explosions in the energy-intensive area of lower Manhattan on 9/11? Yes or no.

It's a simple question.

If your answer is no, then explain why you believe they would not have been likely.

[jschurchin]

42. To answer this question

"Do you believe there were no transformer explosions in the energy-intensive area of lower Manhattan on 9/11?"

Yes, however I haven't seen or read any reports of them. Kinda like a tree falling in the woods if no one is there. Does it make a sound?

[jberryhill]

51. If it is in a building or an underground vault or the other kinds...

...of places where transformers tend to be then, yes, it makes a hell of a big sound.

People heard things going {b]BANG.

Nobody saw the PG&E transformer which blew in downtown San Francisco either. That's because in cities these things are not just sitting on the sidewalk.

Please direct me to the report of anyone who saw a bomb.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

46. The video was about the twin towers and not WTC7, and these eyewitnesses

were talking about what was happening near them.

Also, have you ever read the transcripts of first responders. Many of the transcripts had explosions mentioned.

[HCE SuiGeneris]

21. "Doesn't fit into my made up BS -- lots of reporters got things wrong."

:puke:

[SidDithers]

25. Reporters didn't get things wrong?...nt

Sid

[jberryhill]

23. Watch this

This is what happens when one has "a problem with a piece of the electrical grid"

http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electric-Transformer-Explosion

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

47. Do you have any links that definitely say this happened on 9/11? nt

[jberryhill]

30. The Point Is That Those Are Were Massive Transformers Were

Google "transformer explosion"

Just try it.

Now, find out where the WTC transformer vaults were.

Jeezus.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

48. The big problem I have with this is that I personally have not read or heard of transformer

explosions on 9/11. I do know that the con ed substation was knocked out, but never heard that it exploded. Do you have a link?

[jberryhill]

52. 490,000 liters of transformer oil

You personally haven't read about it, because you personally haven't looked. If you just read the stuff that is spoon fed to you, then, no you won't find it.

http://research.unc.edu/endeavors/win2005/9_11.php


In addition to the 2,749 people killed at the World Trade Center (WTC) on September 11, how many more deaths and disabilities will result from the toxic pollution released in the city? Books have been written to add up all the sources and amounts of pollutants, including asbestos, silica, lead, volatile organic compounds, polychlorinated biphenyls, dioxins, and mercury.

Scientists from Carolina and the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA) have recently added a piece to the puzzle by finding a way to measure the levels of chemical compounds — polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs) — generated by the combustion of fuels and other organic matter. PAHs were created by the WTC explosions involving about 91,000 liters of jet fuel; 490,000 liters of transformer oil; 380,000 liters of heating and diesel oil; and 100,000 tons of organic debris

Here are two witnesses who believed they heard transformer explosions:


http://www.nyjournalnews.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20010912/SPECIAL01/109120307/-1/SPECIAL0106
Kelly Badillo, in the lobby of Building One at the time of the attack, said he began having flashbacks to the 1993 bombing.

"When the first plane hit, it felt like a transformer explosion, and you felt the pressure like when somebody grabs you real hard," Badillo said. "Then the second plane hit, and that's when all hell broke loose."



http://www.flcv.com/wtc1vict.html

91ST FLOOR Mike McQuaid, survivor

I hear this explosion, like a transformer below. What the hell was that? The whole place shook. The hallway started filling up with smoke.


Okay, you have thousands of gallons of transformer oil, and people who believe they heard transformer explosions. That settles it - there were bombs.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

55. Do I concur correctly that the first witness was in the 1993 bombing when

people originally thought it was a transformer exploding and later it turned out to be a bomb?

And the second person, you quoted Mike Quaid. It doesn't say when he heard the explosion. Confusing as some of the other witnesses seem to be talking about when the first plane hit.

[jberryhill]

56. Yes

The first witness is talking about 9/11 and said it felt like a transformer explosion.

I'm sorry the second witness doesn't give a time. I guess anyone who thought there were transformer explosions is not a credible enough witness. Is that it?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

57. Well, the first witness appears to be saying it sounded like a transformer exploding

and that same person was there in 1993, where the bombs exploding were mistaken for transformers. I thought I was clear on that.

Then there are many other witnesses who say they heard explosions and explosions that they thought were bombs.

The problem with all of this is conjecture. There has been no official investigation into those explosions. Have you seen any? I certainly haven't.

As to the transformer oil, which I gather was in the subbasements... why were there then reports of bombs and explosions on floors that were lower than impact but much higher than the subbasement?

This is an excellent older DU thread that was posted when transcripts of the Oral Histories of First Responders was released through the NY Times. You will note that several of the first responders said that they heard what sounded like bombs, and never mentioned transformers.

And below that is a direct link to the transcripts.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=51793
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyregion/20050812_WTC_GRAPHIC/met_WTC_histories_full_01.html

I will reiterate. All of this is quite moot. There has never been an official investigation into this.

[jberryhill]

59. "Sounds like"

As to the transformer oil, which I gather was in the subbasements..

An electrical system that delivers power to 20,000 people will have transformers in a variety of places. There was high power equipment on various floors and roofs of the towers.

Anything that goes boom sounds like a bomb going off. It would be unusual for someone to say, "I heard a loud bang, just like the sound made by a 100 gallon spaghetti cooker dropped from 50 feet onto a helium tank" as opposed to "I heard a loud bang that sounded like a bomb".

If these folks were doing some sort of audio signature analysis, then I'd want to know, for example, how many of them had ever heard a bomb of any kind before.

How many bombs have you personally heard explode, so that if you heard it again you'd KNOW it was a bomb?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

60. I've heard a few explosions myself from controlled demolitions. I would think that

some of the firefighters might know the difference between bombs and transformers. But that's my opinion, which is not fact, and this is where the rub lies.

I hate to repeat myself and I don't know why you don't comment on the fact that it is all conjecture. We all know that there were explosions. No one can (or won't) definitely say what happened to cause those explosions on 9/11 and for anyone to say that they were transformers or bombs without proof, without any real Investigation, is just voicing there opinions.

Wouldn't you like a definitive answer? I know I would.

[AZCat]

62. Unfortunately...

the buildings fell on top of a lot of the evidence. Definitive answers were made considerably more difficult (if not impossible) because of this.

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

63. Not only destroyed by the buildings falling on top of evidence but a great

deal of evidence was carted off. The crime scene was compromised.

[AZCat]

64. Not really (at least in my opinion).

Because the state of the structure after the impacts but prior to collapse is not available for inspection (having been changed significantly by the collapse itself) the evidence had reduced value to the investigators. Unless you are going to claim that the whole of the debris pile should have been saved (an undertaking that IMO was unfeasible) then what problem do you have with the method used by the various organizations (SEANY, for example) to "tag" certain pieces for saving?

[jberryhill]

65. At that's another blind spot

Despite the fact that a bunch of organizations such as the WPI engineering department and other did collect samples, and will no doubt be publishing studies for years to come, what you end up with are eyewitnesses who heard things go "boom" and no reason to believe there were bombs, other than the fact that bombs, among lots of other things go "boom".

But I get the impression that there is no "investigation" because of the thousands of people who were in lower Manhattan, Detective Friday has not visited each one to determine the time at which they heard something go "boom", where they were, what was the direction, etc.

Pieces of debris, such as chunks of the aluminum sheathing were falling 80 stories and landing on the street, vehicles, and what have you. These things made no noises, and every "boom" was a bomb going off - no fireballs, no shattered glass being blown out, no secondary fires from them, just "boom". These were special bombs that only made noise.

With all of these people hearing bombs, why aren't there any that see these bombs going off?

[jberryhill]

36. Yeah...

Electrical signals travel at close to the speed of light.

An abrupt massive electrical fault at the top of the building would cause damage in the B2 level high voltage transfomers in less than 2 seconds.

Why is 2 seconds important?

Because that is the approximate time it would take for someone at B1 to hear an explosion occurring at the 90th floor.

You see, sound travels a heck of a lot slower than electricity.

The electrical substation at B2 would definitely complain pretty fast if 10% of the building's juice shut off or shorted in an instant.

Someone at level B1 would hear that before they'd hear the plane impact at the 90th floor.

Are you suggesting that Rodriguez saw an airplane? How? From basement level B1?

No. He could only hear the plane impact. Which means that any thing he heard closer to his location for about 2 seconds after the plane impact was, in fact, occurring AFTER the plane impacted floor 90.

And that's only one of several possibilities. The building structure would have transmitted the shock wave a LOT faster than sound travels in air. So he could have heard something being mechanically affected by that shock wave before he heard the explosion of the plane impact.

The fact remains, however, that there was a transformer vault down there through which massive amounts of power had been flowing right up to the impact of the plane.

[The Lone Groover]

40. Where can I find the investigation into explosions...

..in the WTC basements that you all now admit occurred?

(Is that movement? Did somebody blink?)

Where can I find the official documentation ruling out a secondary terrorist ground attack on the WTC on 9/11?

I sure hope they preserved the evidence.

[jberryhill]

50. "admit ocurred"

You don't seem to understand. It is entirely plausible that they ocurred, and it is entirely plausible that someone would hear them in the basement before hearing a plane hit 90 floors above that point.

Did they occur? I have no idea. I wasn't there.

[LARED]

18. Interesting

If Mr Rodriguez is in the basement how would he know the building was swaying side to side?

Sadly Mr Rodriguez changed his story a number of times since 9/11. While his actions that day were heroic, he in not credible anymore

[jberryhill]

38. I agree with you on the swaying bit

...since there isn't jack in the basement that could sway.

However, it is entirely possible that basement level electrical equipment could have reacted in a violent way when the plane hit the building. That reaction would be heard by someone in the basement "several seconds" before they would hear the plane impact at the 90th floor.

His account in that regard is plausible to me.

[LARED]

41. I agree

and I want to say it is entirely possible that the troothers have distorted what Mr. Rodriguez has publicly stated.

[jberryhill]

37. Good thing I looked back for the time interval

Indeed, Rodriguez does seem to be capable of carefully recalling what he observed.

If you are 91 floors below a plane impact, then you will hear the explosion "seconds later" after the plane impact. That's because sound takes time to get from one place to another.

You will, of course, hear other things closer to you prior to the arrival of that explosion sound. Especially if you are in the basement level of a building that has its electrical transformer vault at B2.

I think Rodriguez account is balls-on accurate.

[John Q. Citizen]

61. I looked at your hypothesis, and it doesn't seem to add up. For one thing, the speed

of sound through air would have taken approximately one second to reach the ground from the top of the building.

And two,

the sound was transmitted through materials other than air as well.

Approximate speed of sound
in common materials
Medium Speed of sound
ft/s
Air, dry at 20°C 1,125
Wood (soft - along the fibre) 12,500
Water at 15°C 4,920
Concrete 10,200
Steel 19,000
Lead 7,090
Glass 18,500
Hydrogen at 0°C 4,200

So, from Rodriguez's testimony and from the physics of sound, it appears your hypothesis is incorrect as an explanation.

[BuyingThyme]

2. I have the video, but no audio.

Can you give me an idea of what the firefighters say?

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

4. You can actually hear a huge explosion. Then they have clips in there where y

can hear explosions and of reporters saying that there were reports of bombs. I wish you had audio. Can you download the video, and burn it to dvd?

[BuyingThyme]

5. I'll see it eventually. Just not from this computer.

I want to hear that dude, on the scene, saying there's a bomb in the building. Also want to hear that guy in the hospital (same guy?).

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

7. Different guy. This is a must hear. It's wonderful that those who have access to these

clips are finally releasing them.

[truthpowertruth]

3. Nothing to see here.

<insert random irrational hyperbole here>

[BuyingThyme]

6. How 'bout, "You can't believe a firefighter,

unless he's pretending to be an engineer who can predict the all-encompassing, random implosion of a building, based solely on a bulge some other dude saw through a pipe fitted on a tripod."

[jberryhill]

26. I think if a firefighter heard this, or saw it

Then the comment "shit is exploding" is pretty accurate:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674646408572574875

Electrical transformer explosions are very powerful:

http://www.rgj.com/news/stories/html/2003/07/29/48134.php?sp1=rgj&sp2=Umbrella&sp3=Umbrella

Explosion rocks Reno office building
By Elaine Goodman, Carla Roccapriore and Marilyn Newton RENO GAZETTE-JOURNAL
Posted: 7/29/2003 09:19 pm


A transformer explosion Tuesday on the side of the Wells Fargo office building in downtown Reno sent flaming oil through the streets, slightly burning a woman and forcing the evacuation of more than 200 workers, officials said.

Reno city spokesman Steve Frady said many workers had left for the day before the explosion.

Crews were investigating what caused the transformer at 200 S. Virginia St. to explode shortly after 4 p.m. The ensuing fire sent up a smoke plume visible for miles and charred the outside of the eight-story building.

The oil used as a coolant for the transformer caught fire and sent flames down Virginia Street toward Court Street, fire officials said.

Chris Christiansen said she was walking near the transformer when it exploded, burning her face and neck.

“I was walking along looking at the big building when suddenly there was an eruption from behind the brick area,” said Christiansen, of Cheyenne, Wyo. “It was a big explosion, and a fireball shot across at me burning me on my face and neck and my ears are rumbling from the noise.”

“The fire came down the curb and glass started shattering. Papers were flying out of the broken windows. The trees were on fire and were burning pretty good.”

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

11. See response #9

from an OCTer. Notice no comment from that poster on the video as of yet.

[The Lone Groover]

8. It's collapsing!

The OCT that is.

[Ezlivin]

19. That was one hell of an explosion

No wonder the cameraman and others instinctively ducked. Did you hear the sharp crack or double-stutter (explosion) at the beginning?

According to the reporter, Jack Kelley, from USA Today, "Apparently what appears to happen is at the same time two planes hit the building the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings which also exploded at the same time and brought both of them down. That is the working theory at this point."

Why would the FBI posit this theory unless preliminary evidence indicated additional explosive devices? There were plenty of witnesses who heard, felt or directly experienced the explosions, so there was ample eyewitness testimony. Couple that with the audio and video evidence and it seems like there were additional explosions taking place. The cause of these explosions are unknown but could not be the result of jet fuel.

Excellent video!

[Bolo Boffin]

20. Yeah. Didn't actually cause collapse or anything, though, huh?

And the explosions in the basement? Probably just mangled reports of the jet fuel explosions down in the basement. The clue there is that they happened "at the same time." The basement is where the '93 bombing happened, so hearing about explosions down there again, the FBI could easily have thought this was the same thing.

Jack Kelley also said that this was "unconfirmed," that it was a working theory. Subject to revision, in other words, when more facts came to light. And as it turns out, it did change. There were no bombs in the basement.

[jberryhill]

28. There were lots of these in the WTC basement too:

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674646408572574875

They are called electrical transformers.

They explode if you don't treat them nicely.

[eyl]

39. I would be very leery

of basing anything on Kelly; he was fired from USA Today for fabricating stories.

[jberryhill]

22. Has anyone ever heard what electrical transformers do in an earthquake

...or other serious electrical disruption?

Listen carefully to the bang, and compare it to the one in that video:

http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electric-Transformer-Explosion

And remember that WTC 7 was built over a Con Ed substation.

[jberryhill]

27. They covered up this too

There was an electrical substation at WTC 7, and nine diesel generators on the fifth floor.

The entire electrical system of lower Manhattan was screwn on 9/11.

Transformer explosions happen for a lot of reasons. You'll see a lot of earthquake stories where people talk about the transformers on the poles going pop-pop-pop right down the street. Any serious disruption to the electrical system can trigger them. They are loud and violent.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2674646408572574875

The substation in that video is SMALL compared to the one WTC 7 was built over and around.

Maybe I'm biased because of my background in electrical engineering, but I'd be surprised if people didn't hear and see a LOT of transformers popping in lower Manhattan that morning.

What was being covered up in these urban explosions:


http://cbs5.com/topstories/local_story_231131708.html
Explosion In PG&E Vault Rocks Downtown SF

Joe Vazquez
Reporting

(CBS 5) SAN FRANCISCO An explosion in an underground PG&E utility chamber in downtown San Francisco sent manhole covers flying, shattered store windows, and started fires Friday. Two people were injured.

The blast struck at the intersection of Post and Kearny about 10am, buckling a section of the sidewalk. The explosion ignited the awning of the Ralph Lauren store on Post, and broke its windows. Several manhole covers weighing several hundred pounds were blown into the air. Broken glass and debris was strewn on the sidewalk.

http://abclocal.go.com/wpvi/story?section=local&id=5027073


Delmarva Worker Injured in Transformer Explosion

February 12, 2007 - A Delmarva Power worker was seriously injured in a transformer explosion in Claymont, Delaware Monday afternoon.


The explosion happened just before noon at a substation located at the BOC Gas Plant.

The resulting outage caused the plant to burn flares, which sent black smoke over the facility.

http://wtnh.com/Global/story.asp?S=6121583

One dead in transformer explosion near UConn campus

(Waterbury-WTNH) _ One person was killed in an underground transformer explosion near the UConn-Waterbury campus. A second smaller explosion rocked the area a few hours later.

The victim was identified as Elias Anchunvia, 34 of Long Island.

Anchunvia and two other contractors from American Electrical Testing Co., Inc. were doing maintenance work on the transformer around 4:00 p.m. when something went wrong. Two workers were able to make it out, but the third did not.

The explosion rocked nearby buildings. East Main Street in town was closed down, and hundreds of power outages were reported, including the Marriott Hotel. The immediate area was expected to be closed overnight.

[jschurchin]

32. John, you really should get in touch with

FEMA and NIST and inform them that you have solved the crime of the century. Those idiots are picking nat shit out of rice trying to determine what caused WTC 1,2 and 7 to collapse. And here all along it was oil filled transformers.

[jberryhill]

34. NIST just issued a report on the Titanic in 1999

I don't think you have the least grasp of how failure analysis works.

Transformers did NOT bring down any buildings on 9/11. There were certainly transformer explosions. People certainly heard them and felt them, and the conflagration of the transformer oil, among other fuels readily available in those structures, certainly contributed to the fires.

I bring up the decades-long analysis of the Titanic, because I don't think you understand the nature of analytic inquiry.

The morning after the Titanic sank, it was clear that "The ship hit an iceberg and sank."

Well, that leaves questions. The ship was designed not to sink, even if the hull was ruptured. So, did the compartments fail to do their job? Did the iceberg rip open too many compartments? How does ice cut steel? And so on...

There has been a lively discussion for DECADES about various theories of how the Titanic hull failed. Not all of these theories agree - even today.

Now what folks like you do - and I've seen it in action in creationism/evolution "debating" for a very long time - is that you pick up on discrepancies between various theories of building failure and then claim that the "experts don't know" or have not provided "a definitive final answer", therefore they must be wrong. Creationists are particularly good at that tactic, and you might want to study their techniques because they are quite good at it. They will go on and on about how "gradualism" and "punctuated equilibrium" don't agree, and therefore these disagreements and inconsistencies - which attempt to explain the FACT of evolution - demonstrate that evolution did not occur.

So, no, "the ship hit an iceberg" does NOT explain how or why the Titanic sank. "The ship hit an iceberg" does NOT explain why the ship is found in three major pieces across a debris field in the North Atlantic. Just what happened to that vessel that night will continue to be an area of study for a long, long time, and there will continue to be new theories that deal with various aspects of how or why the Titanic sank.

The events of 9/11 were on a large scale, were chaotic, and involved complicated structures and systems. A video of some people standing on a street and hearing something go BANG does not persuade me that a shadow government was running around lower Manhattan that day, or any previous day, planting explosives so that we would believe in an attack by Saudi Muslims as a pretext for an invasion of a secular Baathist country.

But you claim to be seeking "truth". Okay, fine, but you have to consider among various alternatives - all of which may be a "truth" - for things that you observe and for which you do not have a ready explanation.

I'm willing to bet two things - (1) you've seen lots of reports about people hearing explosions, and (2) you've seen the video where something goes BANG.

I'm willing to bet on a third thing - you probably never really thought too much about transformer explosions, how frequently they happen in a variety of circumstances, or how powerful they are.

So you have a choice. You can spew shit that's posted somewhere else, or you can think for yourself. I've never read the NIST, FEMA, or 9/11 Commission Report. I wouldn't know if they mention transformer explosions or not. And I further don't give a shit if they do or do not.

What's funny is that you think there is something "odd" about someone simply using their own power of critical thinking as applied to why people would hear random explosions in a disaster area which have no apparent connection to the disaster. It's bleedingly obvious to me that there had to be transformers popping like corks on New Year's Eve down there.

But, yeah, if one's idea of "thinking" consists of spewing crap that other people wrote then, sure, I can see why you find original thinking to be a character flaw.

Now, WHAT IS THE PREMISE OF THIS THREAD? The premise here is that HBO is hiding evidence of bombs used to blow up buildings, because they cut a clip of some people on a street hearing something go BANG at a point in time obviously after the collapse of at least one of the towers. Does a video of something going BANG in a disaster area persuade me that there were bombs planted in buildings? No. There are lots of things already in buildings that can go BANG. I can't imagine the type of mind that can only believe that BANG means "shadow government planted explosives to bring down large buildings". But, yeah, if that's what's been spoon-fed to you, then I guess that's what you'll believe until you get off the teat and think for yourself.

[greyl]

35. Great post. nt

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[hack89]

44. Transformers = big bangs was his point

there are other things besides high explosives that explode - the WTC was full of things that would explode in a massive fire and collapse. That is his point.

[jberryhill]

49. I brought up the subject...

Because the issue in question is a video taken at a point in time AFTER something had already collapsed (look at the debris and dust), and a guy is on the phone telling someone he is okay. Then, there is a loud bang.

That kind of thing is common in urban areas when there is a major electrical fault.

[jberryhill]

53. Odd, that you decide someone is "closed minded"

If you believe that only one thing in the world goes bang in a disrupted urban area, and if you become insulting upon the mention that there are other things that go bang, then that sounds pretty closed minded to me.

I would love to see more investigation of 9/11. You seem to believe that postings on a bulletin board by someone you've never met, and about whose character you feel privileged to judge, are somehow going to cause or prevent such investigation.

Enjoy your disgust with a human you've never met. It suits you.

[Contrite]

29. Ever seen this eyewitness video?

The woman videotaping and her companion agree they saw a military plane hit the second tower. There is some "strange" editing in this film. Also shows the second tower basically erupting at the top like a volcano, preceded by explosive sounds with the people videotaping jolted just prior to that, saying "Oh my God"

Very interesting sections at 11:45, 19:20-19:40

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

45. You forgot the link to the video! Thanks in advance! nt

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54. Here it is

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7833904338509188897&q=censored+eyewitness+video

[OmmmSweetOmmm]

58. Thank you! I can't watch it right now but in a few hours. nt