Internet Archive Authenticates BBC Video

[StrictlyRockers]

Internet Archive's Director of Collections, http://www.archive.org/about/bios.php">Stewart Cheifet, responsible for all video and audio files at the archive, http://www.archive.org/details/bbc200109111654-1736">has authenticated the BBC video:

"I am Director of Collections at the Internet Archive, responsible for all video and audio files.

This video clip is part of a collection from the TV Archive of global television coverage of the events that occurred on and shortly after September 11, 2001.

This clip, among others, has drawn quite a bit of attention because it appears to show a BBC reporter in New York reporting that World Trade Center Building 7, also referred to as WTC7 or the Salomon Brothers Building, has collapsed before it actually did collapse.

Despite some confusion on the issue of time code stamping and UTC conversions to EDT, the timing on the clip appears to be correct. This particular clip was recorded between 4:54 and 5:36 PM EDT. The anchor references to the WTC7 collapsing occur at 4:58 PM and 5:01 PM and then a live reporter says the building has collapsed at 5:08 PM in what appears to be a live shot with the building still in tact behind her. The feed from the live reporter is lost at 5:15 PM and then the building does actually collapse at 5:20 PM.

A subsequent clip from the BBC then shows coverage of the actual collapse in an archived account recorded from 5:36 – 6:16PM. This clip is available at http://www.archive.org/details/bbc200109111736-1818 .

An annotated version of the key sequence from this clip can be seen at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LzxEoEfE_8A .

Further support for the correct timing on the clip comes from another archived clip, this one from the BBC 24 channel which includes a time stamp on the TV screen indicating that the reference to the collapses of WTC7 does occur before the actual collapse.

There is some discussion as to whether or not that time stamp was later edited in by someone tampering with the clip. It is unclear whether that happened or not but the reporting and the time of the reporting as shown does seem to coincide with the other BBC World report. This clip can be seen at various web sites including http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/february2007/280207timestamp.htm.

Also there has been some discussion about whether the shot of the WTC7 still standing was a live shot or a so-called “green screen” shot in which the live reporter was photographed in front of an electronic screen with a superimposed image of videotape of earlier coverage. That could explain the time disparity; however other clips seem to support the view that the video behind the BBC reporter in this clip is indeed live.

This clip is being widely circulated on the web along with other 9/11 news coverage clips that have surfaced. The earliest apparent reports of WTC7 collapsing come from CNN which reports before 5PM that WTC7 is either burning, is collapsing or has collapsed. You can see this clip at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LD0UWq_ORR4 . That story then gets repeated later on BBC 24 and BBC World. Similar coverage on ABC can be found posted at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Qyiov_c6Fg .

Assuming all the time references are correct, there are two possible explanations offered for the confusion. One is that the building was intentionally brought down by its owner and that a press release indicating that was prematurely issued and prematurely reported on by the media.

Another explanation is that there was simply confusion at the time and some journalistic “whispering down the lane” in which early stories that there was something happening at WTC7 led to rumors of its collapsing which then led to on-air reporting of its collapse. The fact that the WTC7 is still standing and visible in the background of the live shot appears to confirm that the reporting of the collapse did take place before the actual collapse.

One possible explanation for the apparent clairvoyance of the reporter, or the alleged deception by those in charge, is that there was a fire at WTC7 when it was first reported on CNN at approximately 4:10 PM and that the BBC then picked up that story from CNN and reported that the WTC7 might be collapsing and in the confusion of live news coverage that story then was communicated to the anchor and the reporter that the building had collapsed.

Additional information may be available from other television network coverage of that same period of time which has also been archived by the TV Archive. This includes coverage from ABC, CBS, NBC, FOX, and CNN. Efforts are underway to gather that additional archive footage so that a more comprehensive picture can be presented of what really happened that day.

Other references and discussions related to this clip can be found at various other web sites including http://www.livelead.com , http://www.911truth.org , http://www.prisonplanet.com , http://www.informationliberation.com , http://www.911blogger.com , and http://www.digg.com .

The official BBC statement regarding its explanation for the mistaken reporting can be found at http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/theeditors/2007/02/27/index.html"

Mr. Cheifet and the other principals of the Internet Archive are very competent, intelligent, accomplished people. For example, Mr. Cheifet's bio states:

"Stewart Cheifet has been an attorney, a media executive, and a technology journalist. He has worked in various capacities for ABC, CBS, NPR, and PBS in the United States, Europe, Asia and the South Pacific. He has managed broadcast radio and television stations and was CEO of several media production and distribution companies.

He was former Executive Producer and host of the PBS series Computer Chronicles and Net Caf�. He has served as President of PCTV, a company focused on broadcast and new media production in the field of personal technology.

He holds a B.S. in mathematics and psychology from the University of Southern California, a J.D. from Harvard Law School, and he was a post-graduate fellow in technology journalism at the University of Chicago."

And Brewster Kahle's bio (he's the gentleman who authenticated the video yesterday), says:

"Brewster Kahle Digital Librarian, Director and Co-Founder
Brewster has built technologies, companies, and institutions to advance the goal of universal access to all knowledge. He currently oversees the non-profit Internet Archive as founder and Digital Librarian, which is now one of the largest digital archives in the world.

As a digital archivist, Brewster has been active in technology, business, and law.

Keywords: MIT'82, helped start Thinking Machines, founder WAIS Wide Area Information Servers, Internet strategist AOL, co-founded Alexa Internet, sold to Amazon.com, directs Internet Archive.

Details:
After graduating from the Massachusetts Institute of Technology (MIT) in 1982, he helped start a supercomputer company, Thinking Machines, that built systems for searching large text collections. In 1989, he invented the Internet�s first publishing and distributed search system, WAIS (Wide Area Information Server). WAIS Inc. created the online presence for many of the world's largest publishers, and was purchased by America Online in 1995. In 1996, Brewster co-founded Alexa Internet, which provides search and discovery services included in more than 90 percent of web browsers, and was purchased by Amazon in 1999.

Brewster has also worked to revise law and policy in light technical advances. He is a board member of the Electronic Frontier Foundation, and a plaintiff in Kahle v. Gonzales (formerly Kahle v. Ashcroft), which challenges recent copyright term extensions.

Brewster is profiled in Digerati: Encounters with the Cyber Elite (HardWired, 1996). He was selected as a member of the American Academy of Arts and Sciences in 2005, the AlwaysOn/Technorati Open Media 100 in 2005, the Upside 100 in 1997, the Micro Times 100 in 1996 and 1997, and the Computer Week 100 in 1995.

APPOINTMENTS:

* Univeristy of North Carolina, School of Library and Information Science, Visiting Scholar 2006-Present
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* Internet Archive, Digital Librarian, Director, Co-Founder 1996-present
* American Academy of Arts and Sciences, elected as a member in 2005
* Electronic Frontier Foundation, Board Member
* Alexa Internet, President, CEO, Co-Founder (sold to Amazon.com) 1996-2002 The Library of Congress, National Digital Strategy Advisory Board April 2001
* America Online, Internet Strategist 1995-1996
* Wide Area Information Servers, Inc (WAIS), Founder, President (sold to AOL) 1992-1995
* Thinking Machines with Apple, Dow Jones, KPMG, WAIS Inventor and Project Leader 1989-1992
* Thinking Machines, Scientist 1983-1992. Helped start company, chips, boards, architected CPU of CM2"

If these highly credible people at the Internet Archive say the video is real, then I accept their verification.

SR

[Bolo Boffin]

1. Was there a question about its authenticity?

Do you just like making up controversies so that you can pretend you've won something?

[StrictlyRockers]

2. Not from me.

Are you just trying to pretend that no one in the OCT camp was questioning the authenticity of the video so you can act like this is not a victory for truthers?

SR

[Bolo Boffin]

3. Who in the OCT camp was questioning the video?

I remember Jack Riddler getting all nuts about the EST/EDT thing.

[greyl]

6. Come up with evidence that some in the OCT camp questioned its authenticity.

Otherwise, you're left having made a baseless accusation.

[jberryhill]

11. There's a camp?

Dang. I don't get paid, and nobody even told me about the camping.

I'm switching sides if the perks are better.

[CJCRANE]

4. Maybe not on DU.

But on every other blog I've read there were many comments about "it's green screen" or confusion over the BST/EDT timestamp.

[greyl]

5. Yes, on DU.

JackRiddler was yelling that the video was disinformation and deliberate deception.

JackRiddler: "...you may just have been taken in by this manipulative post on 911blogger.com"
"The argument was based on a misreading of timezones that could only have been deliberate."
"The "member" who posted this deception had joined 911blogger FIVE HOURS before."

[Bolo Boffin]

7. Well, my God.

The way people on this board gets all huffy when you call them a no-planer and they're really a plane-hugger al-Cokeda guy, could we be a little upset at being accused of something that happened on an completely different board entirely?

:shrug:

[CJCRANE]

8. Not really.

The OP is just new information. I don't see why it's such a big deal. It depends if your purpose here is to be kept up to date or not.

[CJCRANE]

9. BTW I don't know what a "plane-hugger" is.

I'm more interested in who paid the hijackers. The allegation is that it was people who are allies of Bushco which I find quite alarming.

I guess that makes me a "follow the money"-hugger, or something...

:shrug:

[jberryhill]

10. Hijackers?

If you believe you know who the hi-jackers were, then you are a deluded fool, an "OCT'er", and a Bush supporter.

If you believe those planes hit those targets, instead of radio controlled military aircraft, then you are a deluded fool, an "OCT'er", and a Bush supporter.

Planes? If you believe there were planes, then...

[CJCRANE]

13. In a way yes. I believe "OTC Plus".

I believe there were hijackers, planes etc. But what the OTC doesn't tell us - is who paid them? Why were their visas extradited?
Why were so many policies changed? Why did Bushco ignore so many warnings? What was Cheney doing on 9/11 with his terror exercies?

One can believe the bare bones of the OTC - because that's all they are, there is so much missing, so many unanwered questions (although I think many of the answers are in fact on the public record or official documents but few are brave enough to point them out).

I'm also CT in that I think the jury is still out as to if United93 was shot-down, what did happen to the plane at the Pentagon, why did WTC7 fall down the way it did? But these are questions that should be asked after the main political, financial and intelligence ones have been answered.

So, even if we accept the Official Theory, there is one unanswered question that could bust this wide open:

WHO PAID THE HIJACKERS?

Why are the majority of OCTers and CTers not interested in this question?

For instance if someone paid a hitman to do some dirty work for them wouldn't we want to find out who his financier was?

[Bolo Boffin]

12. A "plane-hugger" is the term used by the no-plane believers to describe us

It is used a lot by Nico Haupt. It isn't something I normally use, and only used it there to illustrate the distinct camps that exist in 9/11 CT discussions.