Peter Lance - Triple Cross - CSPAN2 - Now.

[Bolo Boffin]

Real things, people, real things.

http://www.cspan.org/watch/cspan2_rm.asp?Cat=TV&Code=CS2

[Bolo Boffin]

1. Anybody with problem concerning the 911CR should be watching this.

And taking notes.

[Bolo Boffin]

2. You ever heard of Ali Mohammed?

If you want to understand 9/11, you need to have...

[Bolo Boffin]

3. "That's treason, baby!" n/t

[seemslikeadream]

4. Peter Lance, Author, "Cover Up": What the Government is Still Hiding

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=125&topic_id=21502

[Bryan Sacks]

5. Lance says Bush Adm got rid of Weldon over Able Danger

That's a conspiracy theory he can embrace.

Lance is a brilliant researcher and a briliant self-promoter (as well as a terrible public speaker and a little too condescending). I'm very grateful for his work. I wish he would realize that his own research supports the view that the FBI was not interested in busting the NY cell (rather than they were just too lazy, or too arrogant or incompetent). He holds out hope in the justice system, when the very people he outs as corrupt RUN the justice system.

He ought to know better.

[seemslikeadream]

6. well I got trashed a bit by posting this a few times

BUDDY BUDDY
http://www.gsnmagazine.com.nyud.net:8090/images/aug_05/atta.jpg
DO THE MATH

24 MINUTES

THERE MUST HAVE BEEN A MILITARY ORDER WATCH THIS VIDEO

http://www.bushflash.com/buddy.html


http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2005/8/24/124834/678


DIA Agents were ordered to put yellow Post-its over Atta's face and the face's of 3 other 9/11 terrorists

"We were directed to take those 3M yellow stickers and place them over the faces of Atta and the other terrorists and pretend they didn't exist," the intelligence officer told GSN."

Intel agents Michael Shaffer and Scott Philpott have confirmed Rep. Weldon's claims that a chart with Atta's face, soon the photos of 3 other members of the 9-11 terror team, were known to DIA team Able Danger by early 2000.

This diary will show that Pete Schoomaker and Philip Zelikow are two of the main Perpetraitors in this scandal, that they deliberately withheld information from the President of the United States that would have prevented 9/11, that they and their neo-con rulers Let It Happen On Purpose.

Of this there can no longer be any doubt.



MUST READ - RE: ABLE DANGER INFO
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4447706

Hopsicker: Able Danger Intel Exposed "Protected" Heroin Trafficking
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x149481


Able Danger: Short Time-line
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4441903

Was Able Danger Shut Down After It Detected Condi-PRC Spy Ring?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4494524



Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
Thursday, August 25, 2005


Able Danger (search) is the code name for a military-intelligence unit that apparently learned a year before the Sept. 11, 2001, terror attacks that lead hijacker Mohamed Atta (search) and other terrorists were already in the United States.

One of the central Able Danger claims — that military lawyers blocked the sharing of the Atta information from the FBI in the late summer and early fall of 2000 — will be a focus of the committee's if a hearing takes place, FOX News has confirmed.

Some analysts involved with Able Danger have recently gone public with their findings, saying they were discouraged from looking further into Atta, and their attempts to share their information with the FBI were thwarted, because Atta was a legal foreign visitor at the time.

"This story needs to be told. The American people need to be told what could have been done to prevent 3,000 people from losing their lives," said Rep. Curt Weldon (search), R-Pa.

Weldon drew attention to Able Danger by speaking about it on the House floor and publicly calling for the Sept. 11 commission to explain why the intelligence information wasn't detailed in its final report.

Some Able Danger analysts, including Army Reserve Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer (search) and Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott (search), claim that in October 2003, they told commission staffers of the presence of Al Qaeda operatives in the United States in 2000.


more
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,166800,00.html


Senate May Hold Hearings on Able Danger, Info Sharing
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1727804&mesg_id=1727804




Condi in Middle of Able Danger ‘Cover Up’"

Weldon is now saying that the Pentagon cover up of able danger “will shake the country to its roots."

...

If the claims made by the Able Danger participants and Rep. Weldon are confirmed, former National Security Adviser Rice and other Bush Administration officials will face a barrage of questions. First would likely be an inquiry into why the administration unceremoniously axed the Able Danger project in May of 2001.

During an August 20th interview on C-Span’s Washington Journal, Able Danger member Lt. Col. Schaffer posed a question of his own:

"The American public should ask themselves: Why would the leadership of DoD shut down, terminate, a project which was aimed at targeting al-Qaeda offensively? ...

"Why would they shut that down, four months before 9/11? That’s the big question right now, we have to ask that. I don’t know the answer to that question because I know my side of the story, I know that when a 2 star general got in my face and said, “I’m a 2 star general and you are not. You are to stop your support of Able Danger.” That’s what I know personally. But the question has to be: Who told him to do that? ...

"And why did the rest of the project, I’m talking about Special Operations Command and the Army portion of this, why was that terminated?

"Those are the questions that need to be asked."


more...

http://www.theinternationalpost.com/z30082005.html

Congressman Weldon -- Why now? Why ever?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=104&topic_id=4500623

Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader By Will Dunham

WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Three more people associated with a secret U.S. military intelligence team have asserted that the program identified September 11 ringleader Mohammed Atta as an Al Qaeda suspect inside the United States more than a year before the 2001 attacks, the Pentagon said on Thursday.

The Pentagon said a three-week review had turned up no documents to back up the assertion, but did not rule out that such documents relating to the classified operation had been destroyed.

Navy Capt. Scott Phillpott and Army Lt. Col. Anthony Shaffer last month came forward with statements that a secret intelligence program code-named "Able Danger" had identified Atta, the lead hijacker in the attacks that killed 3,000 people, in early 2000. Pennsylvania Republican Rep. Curt Weldon (news, bio, voting record), vice chairman of the House of Representatives Armed Services Committee, also went public with the allegations.

Pat Downs, a senior policy analyst in the office of the undersecretary of defense for intelligence, told reporters that as part of the review, the Pentagon interviewed 80 people.

Downs said that three more people, as well as Phillpott and Shaffer, recalled the existence of an intelligence chart identifying Atta by name. Four of the five recalled a photo of Atta accompanying the chart, Downs said.

Pentagon officials declined to identify the three by name, but said they were an analyst with the military's Special Operations Command, an analyst with the Land Information Warfare Assessment Center and a contractor who supported the center.

Downs said all five were considered "credible people."

But officials said an exhaustive search of tens of thousands of documents and electronic files related to Able Danger failed to find the chart or other documents corroborating the identification of Atta. Phillpott has said Atta was identified by Able Danger by January or February of 2000.

"We have not discovered that chart," Downs said.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20050901/pl_nm/security_attacks_pentagon_dc


Three more assert Pentagon knew of 9/11 ringleader
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1744982&mesg_id=1744982

Specter Wants Answers About 'Able Danger'
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1796658&mesg_id=1796658


NYT/Reuters: Pentagon Blocks Testimony at Senate Hearing on Terrorist
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1795221&mesg_id=1795221

NOW - ON CAPITOL HILL - Able Danger Inquiry CSPAN3 9:30am et
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=104x4836496

Able Danger ties Condi Rice to Chinese espionage! (really!)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=4846388&mesg_id=4846388

VIDEO-the Senate Judicial Committee ABLE DANGER saga
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Official: (Curt Weldon) Attack on Cole foreseen (ABLE DANGER)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=102&topic_id=1915365&mesg_id=1915365

New 9/11 Timeline update, with new Able Danger page
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?

Weldon seeks Defense testimony on al-Qaida
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1931300

Weldon rips 9/11 commission over intelligence failures
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1959226

General gave OK for Able Danger (confirms al-Qaida mission prior to 9/11)
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=1973724

[CJCRANE]

11. What differentiates

incompetance/negligence from complicity is motive. Proving motive is the hard part.

[frylock]

22. can't really disagree with what you've posted there

[naboo]

7. Thanks for the tip

That confirms my suspicion that he is bogus, as I suspected. Why research and analyze the lies told by intelligence agents? It's like studying the Easter bunny and his comings and goings.

[Bolo Boffin]

8. Have fun storming the castle!

:hi:

[wildbilln864]

9. hello naboo...

:hi: and welcome to the dungeon!

[naboo]

16. Thank you wilbill

I\'ve enjoyed what I\'ve seen of your posts so far!

[Dover]

10. He seems to be supporting the 'negligence' or 'incompetence' theory

It doesn't occur to him that perhaps it was intentional negligence?

[StrafingMoose]

12. Right

The most ridiculous part of this is when they try to spin the events about Mohamed's detention by the RCMP in Vancouver. He clearly told 'em to just call his "FBI handlers" (aka "FBI control agent") and was promptly released then went on to plan the embassies attack in 1998. All incompetence of course, I mean, it's not like they get more funding and "tools" out of incompetence...

[John Q. Citizen]

34. They call it the Oops Theory. I like the name. There seems to be a pandemic of oops

among US LEO/intel around the world as concerns the accused hijackers and their associates.

That guy Lance worked with Paul Thompson on various lines on the 9/11 time line. I think he's telling his story (and a fascinating story it is) the best way he knows how. He certainly documents numerous opportunities for the LEO/Intel crowd to shut down the whole 9/11 deal. Numerous. He's got a pretty strong resume.

When we combine Lance's investigative original source work with Hopsicker's work (another Oops guy, but more on the "Oops, that drug deal went bad with those arab guys level) we find yet more evidence of Official US Oopsing in a whole lot of ways. Maybe the Russians were slipping our US Intel/LEO supervising agents goof balls? Or maybe Osama spiked their honey.

[frylock]

13. lance believes that twa 800 was a terrorist plot..

I guess there's some substance to that if you consider the USN to be a terrorist organization.

[Bryan Sacks]

14. What do you think of his bomb theory n/t?

[frylock]

21. not feeling it..

I believe the evidence supports the navy shoot down scenario.

[Bolo Boffin]

23. So the Navy shot it down and then dredged up the pieces?

Riiiiight.

[frylock]

24. hunhh?

[Bolo Boffin]

25. The Navy. Dredged up. The pieces. And handed them. To the NTSB.

You can understand English?

[frylock]

26. yes. they. did.

what. would. you. have. them. do? you've. responded. with. yet. another. one. of. your. predictible. red. herrings.

[Bolo Boffin]

27. Your belief that the Navy would hand the evidence of their wrongdoing over to the NTSB

is noted.

[frylock]

28. i'm sure agt mike appreciates your efforts..

Lance bases his theory on circumstantial evidence provided by a two-bit mobster turned FBI informant whose biggest claim to fame was that his daddy was a stooley for the Feds, evidence which later "disappeared." That and some cryptic remark from Jerry Koupakis.

Scarpa―Yousef Intelligence Timeline
http://www.forensic-intelligence.org/IntelTline.pdf

Scarpa FBI 302s
http://forensic-intelligence.org/Scarpa302s.pdf

I'd advise that you look into the research of David E. Hendrix if you're truly interested in learning what likely happened to TWA 800.

[Bolo Boffin]

29. I curse the day I need you to advise me on anything. n/t

[Name removed]

30. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[frylock]

31. awww gee..

wehhh. I know there's a lot of stuff there to read through. Take your time. Get back to me when you're a little more prepared to defend Lance's thesis.

[Bolo Boffin]

32. Don't hold your breath. n/t

[frylock]

33. you're really working your way up the ranks on the irrelevancy scale here..

I guess you don't care to discuss the issue. Makes one wonder why you would go through the trouble of even starting this thread. Have a nice night. I'm going to bed.

[Bolo Boffin]

36. Hmm.

Checking my concern level here.

Nope. Not worried about my relevancy level with someone who thinks the Navy shot down TWA 800. Sweet dreams.

[frylock]

39. all i've asked is that you go through those 302s and defend lance's position..

you can't even do that.

[KJF]

37. It's nailed on

The explosives on the plane are different to the ones used in the test - even if the test was done on TWA 800, not the other plane. This is a big blow to the FBI's approach.

Lance shows the FBI cut the NTSB off from the intelligence about Yousef, so he doesn't have to say the NTSB are lying (Lance and the NTSB agree that the initial hole in the plane was caused by the fuel tank exploding, but whereas the NTSB argues for spontaneous combustion, Lance says it was a blasting cap placed under a seat by one of Yousef's men). So Lance can just make an end run around their opinion using the 302s about Yousef.

The only problem Lance has is with the reasoning for suppressing it. We don't know for sure the decision was taken solely because of Scarpa - there could have been other factors as well. Like trying to prosecute a case without any recovered part of the bomb.

Let's hope Lance carries on writing, because he's opened up some very interesting avenues that we need to get to the bottom of.

[Bolo Boffin]

38. You've pointed out another "problem" with Lance

There could be other factors as well with a lot of things going on.

But Lance certainly brings enough evidence to the table to press forward and examine what those other factors could be. I'd love to look at his interview transcripts (they might be available at his site; I haven't checked).

And with the Boijinka bomb on TWA 800, I wonder: how big does the punchthrough have to be? Since it only needs enough explosive to punch through and ignite the fuel tank, would any metallurgical evidence stay pointing towards the fuel tank when the fuel tank then explodes outward? I'm just guessing here, so take it with a grain of salt, but it seems to me the only signature for Yousef's bomb placed properly would be the explosive residue.

[Ezlivin]

40. There is interesting information at this website

http://www.twa800.com/index.htm

I have spoken with an airline pilot who agrees that if high temperatures ignited the fuel tank we'd see exploding planes every summer at DFW Airport and many other "hot spots".

[Bolo Boffin]

15. Lance makes a damned good case that al-Qaeda pulled that off.

But the effort to connect Lance to wackier CT is duly noted.

ON edit: The NTSB case rests on explosive residue being dropped by a K-9 tester. Lance went and interviewed the tester. That guy didn't use the explosive residue found in the plane debris. There's good circumstantial evidence that the tester was using the plane in the gate next to the plane that blew up - that he wasn't even on that plane.

With Scarpa's evidence straight from Ramzi and the mistrial motion filed the day after the plane went down - jeez, this is enough of a lock for me. He's got me convinced on this one.

[Bryan Sacks]

19. You understand that Jamie Gorelick had to be in on the cover-up, right?

She was at the meeting with Kallstrom where the about-face on Scarpa Jr. happened. She appears guilty as sin.

[Bolo Boffin]

20. Facts are facts.

We don't know what happened in that meeting. We can make an educated guess based on the results. But if there's a trail of evidence that brings Gorelick down, down she goes.

The main problem I have with Lance is the 20/10 hindsight that the book is saturated with. But on things like the TWA bombing, I think he's dead on.

[Bushwick Bill]

17. Question re: Fitzgerald.

Peter Dale Scott and some other authors rip Patrick Fitzgerald for covering up the extent to which Mohamed was working with our government. I didn't read Lance's book, but do you have any opinion on this? From everything I have seen, Ali Mohamed clearly had some kind of green light to do all of the shit he did, and not get busted.

[Bolo Boffin]

18. I haven't gotten to that part of the book...

and Lance was quite hurried when he was talking about Patrick's part in all of this.

I'll let you know when I get to that part of the book - I just got last night to the bombing of TWA800. Lance convinced me of that one.

[John Q. Citizen]

35. Him and others seemed to be protected.. Lance has a time line you can read concerning his book

at his web site. It's extensive and free.

[noise]

41. Lance

suggests the CIA let Mohamed in the country, even though the Egyptian government identified him as an Islamic radical. The CIA apparently let Sheikh Abdul Rahman in the country even though he had the same issues as Ali Mohamed.

Zawahiri was basically the leader of al-Jihad and Rahman the leader (emir) of the Islamic Group. Lance (and Lawrence Wright) both make direct links between Zawahiri and Mohamed.

If Egypt was worried about these guys...why did the CIA let them in the US?