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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:05 PM
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Northwest pilot from rural Glyndon alleges 9/11 cover-up
http://www.wctrib.com/articles/index.cfm?id=17389

The lawsuit, filed last week, claims Boeing Co. and the Air Line Pilots Association (ALPA) can’t assure him that B747-400 planes are safe. McConnell, who is the process of seeking an early retirement from Northwest, claims the planes are rigged by Boeing and can be remotely detonated.


...........snip........................

McConnell, a rural Glyndon rancher, has been a Northwest Airlines pilot for more than 28 years. He graduated from the U.S. Naval Academy in 1971 and flew planes in the military, including with Fargo’s Happy Hooligans, for 22 years.


“I am obligated under company procedures and FAA regulation not to operate an aircraft if I suspect it is unsafe,” McConnell, 57, states in his handwritten claim.


Janhunen dismisses the claim.


“We take every threat to airline security and safety very seriously,” he said. “In this case, we do not believe there’s any shred of evidence that the allegations about these Boeing airplanes are true, and the case should be immediately dismissed.”

...............................snip

“I think this lawsuit is opening a Pandora’s box,” McConnell said. “It will turn into a legal case that solves 9/11.”


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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:18 PM
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1. So how do they keep all the mechanics silent
about the explosives? What a stupid idea - secret explosives built into airplanes in and of its self would be one of the biggest conspiracies of all times. When you consider that Boeing airplanes are maintained all over the world surely someone would have found these explosives by now.

McConnell has a serious screw loose.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:33 PM
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2. I'm glad to see this posted here
I heard him in an interview last week, and I'm still trying to understand exactly his position.

Apparently there was some sort of payment made by Boeing to the government over some various violations, the claim being that they paid the fine rather than risk being investigated (?) -- one issue was the use of a device which enables the plane to be *reverse hijacked* (taken over remotely in the event of a hijacking) and the other was the supposed installation of some sort of explosive inside the cabin doors (he explained that it looked like rubber and was placed where the insulation goes).

I have no idea if he's making this all up out of whole cloth, or if he has actually seen something that led him to make these conclusions.

But, the filing of the case, assuming it actually goes to trial, might result in some interesting revelations.
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:51 PM
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4. yeah, it is weird
I heard him interviewed and some of it made some sense and some didn't. Let me try to remember what he was talking about..........

1. Boeing paid the largest fine in history and McConnell said it had to do with putting a certain unauthorized part into airplanes. He said this part allowed the planes to be flown by remote control--or blown up by remote control. It wasn't all planes but some of them. He says that piloting such a plane is against his oath as an airline pilot.

2. Lockheed called Boeing a racketeer controlled company (or something like that??) He says Boeing admitted to the unauthorized part--thus the 600 million dollar fine.

3. The flights on 9/11 had smaller planes right behind them so radar would just detect one plane, but the original flights were controlled by remote control and they were destroyed by a remote detonator (thanks to Boeing). Some of the argument here got convoluted, I thought.

4. That Indonesian airplane that went down in the Indian Ocean a few weeks ago, he maintained, was exploded remotely. They found no evidence of wreckage of that plane.

5. Some insulation for the planes contained fuel. It was made by a company in France and put on the planes somewhere in Canada.

6. Boeing had complete inside knowledge of the wargames on 9/11.

7. Organized crime infiltrating our government and Boeing and other institutions are responsible for 9/11. It was all about money, an insurance scam, and racketeering, and insider trading.

8. He is suing them for lost income because piloting a Boeing plane is against his oath.

9. His classmate from college piloted one of the planes on 9/11.

He has some other dude that seems smart and knowledgable that has teamed up with him on this 9/11 theory. I don't think I have all the peices together. A lot of it makes sense and some of it doesn't. Overall I would say there is nothing as preposterous in it as finding Mohammed Atta's passport on the streets of Manhattan (duh, like who would believe THAT).
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 01:43 AM
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7. Vialls reported Lufthansa found remote devices in their Boeings in the 1990s.
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 01:44 AM by Contrite
Joe Vialls’ “back door” theory

According to an aeronautical engineer named Joe Vialls, the technology to capture planes via remote control has been around for a very long time. If he is correct, the US military developed the technology as far back as the mid 1970s–––in response to a sharp upsurge in terrorist hijackings during this period. According to Vialls the project involved two American multinationals in collaboration with the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency (DARPA). The goal was to facilitate the remote recovery of hijacked American aircraft. Vialls claimed the effort succeeded brilliantly in developing the means, first, to listen in on cockpit conversations in a target aircraft; and, second, to take absolute control of the plane’s computerized flight control system by means of a remote channel. The aim was to cut the hijackers out of the control loop, meanwhile, empowering ground controllers to return a hijacked plane to a chosen airport, where police would deal with the terrorists. To be “truly effective,” however, the new technology “had to be completely integrated with all onboard systems.” This could only be achieved by incorporating the system into a new aircraft design. Vialls charged this is exactly what happened. A high-level decision was made and Boeing very quietly included a “back door” into the computer designs for two new commercial planes then on the drawing boards: the 767 and 757. Both planes went into production in the early 1980s.

Vialls shocked even internet users when he posted all of this on his web site in October 2001. He contended that the system, although designed for the best of intentions, fell prey to a security leak. Somehow the secret computer codes fell into the hands of evildoers within the Bush administration, who surreptitiously used the remote channel on 9/11. Armed with the secret codes–––Vialls charged–––the conspirators activated the hidden channel built into the transponders and simply took over the flight controls. Whether or not the alleged nineteen hijackers were actually on board was uncertain. But the issue clearly was of secondary importance since fanatical Muslims were not flying the planes.

Crucially, on 9/11, not one of the eight commercial pilots and copilots sent the standard signal alerting FAA authorities that a hijacking was in progress. Sending this signal, or “squawking,” as it is called, takes only a few seconds, and is done by activating a cockpit device known as an ELT (emergency locator transmitter). A pilot simply keys-in a four-digit code and the message “I have been hijacked” flashes on the screen at ground control. The fact that none of the pilots or copilots transmitted this standard SOS on 9/11 was suspicious, the first indication to Vialls that the planes were being flown by remote means. Vialls concluded that once the evildoers had commandeered the transponders the pilots lost the ability to transmit. Additional evidence turned up in a video of the last seconds of Flight 175. According to Vialls, the footage is anomalous because it shows the plane executing a maneuver during its final approach that exceeds the normal software limitations of a 767. Boeing jets are designed with liability concerns in mind, as well as passenger safety. Flight control software prevents a pilot from making steep turns that pull substantial “g” forces. Such turns run the risk of injuring passengers, especially the aged and infirm, which could result in costly lawsuits. Since a pilot cannot normally make such a maneuver, this was powerful evidence that the plane was under remote control.

The Critics Respond

Debunkers, of course, had a field day trying to discredit both Vialls and his 9/11 scenario. What is surprising is that, five years later, his ideas continue to have traction despite the debunkers. Let us now discuss the more thoughtful criticisms. Some pointed out that the flight controls on Boeing 767s and 757s, while fully computerized, are not fly-by-wire designs like newer planes, including the Global Hawk. On the contrary, they are mechanical beasts with hydraulically assisted cable and pulley controls. Therefore, according to these critics, a Boeing pilot always has the option of turning “off” the autopilot and flying manually. One anonymous critic who claims to be a Boeing maintenance technician has argued that even in the worst case a 757 or 767 pilot could simply pull the electrical breakers, shutting down the power supply to the onboard computers. This would allow him to regain control and fly the old fashioned way, that is, by the seat of his pants, though, no doubt, with considerably more difficulty. Such criticisms, I fully acknowledge, may well be correct. The problem is that under the circumstances it’s impossible to evaluate them, without additional information. Unfortunately, short of hacking into Boeing’s corporate files there is no way to determine whether the company did or did not engineer a hidden override system into its 767s and 757s. Nor can Vialls help us, unfortunately, since he passed on more than a year ago.

Vialls also contended that after taking delivery of a fleet of Boeing jetliners in the 1990s officials at Lufthansa airlines made a shocking discovery. By chance, they stumbled onto the hidden ROV system, at which point, according to Vialls, Lufthansa, concerned about the security of its fleet, went to considerable trouble and expense to remove the original flight control system, and replace it with one of German design. Insofar as I know, the story remains unconfirmed. On the other hand, it will not die–––there is yet another twist. In 2003 Andreas von Buelow, a former minister of research and technology in the German government, authored a book, The CIA and September 11, in which he discussed Joe Vialls’ remote control theory and called for a new investigation. Von Buelow also made a stunning charge of his own: that the 9/11 attack was not the work of Islamic extremists, but was an inside job orchestrated by the CIA. As a former high official in the German defense ministry, was Von Buelow privy to the details about Lufthansa’s experience with Boeing? At present, unfortunately, there are many more questions than answers. For which reason I call on Lufthansa and Boeing to come to our assistance by disclosing their corporate records to an independent team of inspectors.

http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article17162.htm
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 08:28 AM
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15. Joe Vialls huh?
The accuracy of the findings of Vialls' investigations has also been disputed in many quarters. His investigations ended almost exclusively in the same conclusion, with Mossad and the CIA being responsible for significant world events, acting on behalf of a supposed powerful cartel of Zionist bankers on Wall Street and politicians who he alleged gave orders and dictated policy at the cartel's behest.


And

Vialls had been cited by various sources as an expatriated US military analyst based in Australia, an ex-British private security expert, a British aeronautical engineer, an Australian-based freelance journalist with over 30 years direct experience in international military and oilfield operations, and a former member of the Society of Licensed Aeronautical Engineers in London.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joe_Vialls
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Celebration Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 06:20 PM
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13. that could be
But the particular part he is talking about is very small and easily hidden. It would not be accessible to maintenance people. I also think he alleges it is only in relatively few planes.

You are right that he may have a screw loose.

It *seems* unlikely, it still seems not as unlikely as finding Atta's passport on the streets of Manhattan.
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Laurier Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 02:52 AM
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14. Some myths never die, it seems, in the minds of conspiracy fantasists.
It *seems* unlikely, it still seems not as unlikely as finding Atta's passport on the streets of Manhattan.


Atta's passport was not found on the streets of Manhattan.

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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 09:50 PM
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3. Ah, here's a thread that even already discusses part of this
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=147717&mesg_id=147717

This is the device that the pilot was talking about. This, plus the explosives in the doors.

Now that this patent was *secretly* obtained last week by Boeing, perhaps this story is a bit more credible?

The idea being that the remote device can bring the plane back down safely, but they need the embedded explosives in the cabin doors to gain access once back on the ground.

Makes sense to me
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 10:52 PM
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5. Explosives in the door?
Do you believe that Boeing could put explosives in the doors of airliners and get away with it?
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CGowen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-08-07 11:03 PM
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6. They are clearly worried
Speech by Doug Bain, Boeing senior vice president and general counsel, at Boeing Leadership Meeting on Jan. 5, 2006, in Orlando, Fla.:

So what's the impact if we get indicted or convicted?

Besides the normal fines and that kind of stuff, there's a presumed denial of export licenses, and that would be both on the commercial and the government side. In a moment, I'll give you an idea of why we are concerned about that one.

We can get re-suspended or all of IDS (Integrated Defense Systems) can be debarred.

We can lose our security clearances.

And one nasty little thing is that the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, which has an almost explicit prohibition on possessing explosives. For those of you who are at BCA , you might remember that every single door on an airplane has actuators that are triggered by explosives.

So, why do we keep talking about this stuff?

The simple answer is, if we're not careful it can happen again.


http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002772424_boeingtranscript31.html
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:28 AM
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8. From that same article: gyrochip (in 2000!!)
Edited on Fri Mar-09-07 02:33 AM by dotcosm
That was the thing he was talking about:

"We have not resolved QRS-11 (a gyrochip Boeing exported inside some of its commercial jets without an export license between 2000 and 2003), which is a BCA issue. But the other four, we have paid a total of $50 million in penalties, we've had three consent decrees and several special compliance officers."
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 12:59 PM
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12. I thought we were discussing demolition charges - sorry
Every plane in the world has actuator charges for emergency egress. What they are worried about is the fall out from the various corruptions investigations they were facing. They were worried that ATF would not let them handle explosives.
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Duer 157099 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:38 AM
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9. Another relevent article re: Boeing
http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/businesstechnology/2002359561_boeingqrs06.html

State Department goes after Boeing

The State Department has prepared civil charges against Boeing alleging 94 violations of the Arms Control Act because the company sold commercial airliners without obtaining an export license for a tiny gyrochip that has defense applications.

...

Because of its use in guided missiles, the sensor is classified as a significant military item. Export-control regulations dictate that any larger system containing the sensor — even a commercial airplane — also must be considered a military item.
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Contrite Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-09-07 02:41 AM
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10. More from that article.
The QRS-11 chip, made by a unit of BEI Technologies in Concord, Calif., is just over 1-½ inches in diameter and weighs about 2 ounces. It sells for between $1,000 and $2,000.

Described as "a gyro on a chip," it is used to help control the flight of missiles and aircraft.

On Boeing jets, three BEI microchips are embedded in an instrument box made by French avionics firm Thales.

Acting together, the three chips provide a three-dimensional positional reading, telling the pilot through the flight display the precise yaw, roll and pitch of the airplane.

This no-moving-parts electronic-sensor system acts as a back-up to a spinning gyroscope.

Because of its use in guided missiles, the sensor is classified as a significant military item. Export-control regulations dictate that any larger system containing the sensor — even a commercial airplane — also must be considered a military item.
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hack89 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-11-07 09:18 AM
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16. So what does this have to do with remote control?
Planes have had gyro's coupled to autopilots for years.
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