The Sarasota Show

[ma2007]

Bush`s very first statement concerning 9/11 was that he had conferred with Cheney and others. If you want to document that as part of the sjow "Bush begins to fight the evildoers" you need video and photo footage. I.e. Bush with a telephone. In my estimation the Booker school was the place with the highest density of mobile phones that day in Sarasota. But we see this:



Bush uses a fixed phone presumably the one of the teachers room. A mobile phone would not have had the effect of importance on a photo. Imagine on 9/11 somebody - maybe the president himself ? :-)) - typing the number of the chief of the FBI and the number of Rumsfeld and of the vice president.
Hope they deleted the numbers later so no teacher or student is able to re- call these very secret phonenumbers.

It is absurd. It is only for the show. Rove overdid it.

See more about Bush`s response on this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZJ5BDpjxgU

[CGowen]

1. ..double pepperoni, Jalapenos, extra cheese and do you have some mushroom clouds ? nt

[Sweet Pea]

2. That Phone

Hate to ruin a good post, but that phone is a secure STU-III telephone that encrypts conversation via an internal ciphering algorithm. It goes with the President (any president) anywhere he goes and can be used over regular land-lines.

[ma2007]

3. Thank you. Sounds reasonable.

The telephone indeed looks like i.e. this one:

http://images.google.de/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://home.ca.inter.net/~hagelin/looking.html&h=300&w=400&sz=31&hl=de&start=1&tbnid=2A4Wbt_feP1qQM:&tbnh=93&tbnw=124&prev=/images%3Fq%3DSTU-III%26gbv%3D2%26svnum%3D10%26hl%3Dde

So I cancel my statement. This is the sense of discussion: to learn.

But: as the whole 30 minutes in Booker look like a thatre show the installatin of this special communication tool still looks over exagerated. if I needed to do secret telephone calls I would send the staff guys out - and the photographer too.
But, as OCTers may have noticed reluctantly, I am not the president...:-))

[wildbilln864]

4. 30 more minutes? WTF? So how.....

do they know a hijacked passenger jet isn't about to crash on their heads? :shrug:

[wildbilln864]

5. Answer....

prior knowledge! :banghead:

[911_truthiness]

6. Bush didn't know S#*t on 911

One of the first things that made me question the Ah.. So called “logic” of the 911 Truth Movement and their contention the government orchestrated the 911 attacks was the actions of the president on 911.

Now these guys want you to believe that knowing the attacks were going to happen GWB DID NOT chose to remain at the White House where he could appear to be in charge of the country in a time of crisis. NO!!!! you are supposed to believe he chose instead to be caught in a stupid little school chair in front of a bunch of children reading fairy tales. Not exactly the image of a strong warrior ready to do battle is it? AND THEN instead of retuning to Washington he fly off to hide until it’s safe!!!!

Michael Moore made such devastating use of this in Fahrenheit 9/11, George W. Bush sits stunned for minutes while the county burns. Maybe he missed the memo on the fact the “Operation” was going down today.

Hell! Marketing alone would tell you the best image of the Pres. would be him calmly directing operations from the oval office. Defiant speech at the ready, White House media people would capture the whole thing in picture and sound. He would even refuse to go to the bunker preferring to stand and fight the terrorist toe to toe. What a Man!!!!

That is what would have happened on 911.... IF HE KNEW.. But he didn't want to know of Islamic terrorist, And he should have, Clinton had made it a part of his time in office to go after OBL. Bush decided it was important only after thousands died.

But in the illogical up is down and right is left world of the truthers GWB actions are proof he knew! I don’t know, maybe I didn’t smoke enough pot in my youth, I didn't burn out enough gray matter to follow the logic of the truthers on this one.

[Big Pappa]

7. Welcome to DU

truthiness. I have argued many time that if Bush is such an idiot, then how could he have masterminded the greatest conspiracy of all times. Hell no. He was caught with his pants down like everyone else.

[ma2007]

8. These OCTers make me sick ...

the "ifs" and "believes" and "image" - sentences are so numerous it makes no sense to answer them.
"IF Bush had masterminded ..."
"Marketing alone would tell you the best image of the Pres. would be him calmly directing operations from the oval office...."

If, if if. Bush is not the centre of the world. Prior knowledge daoes not mean: exact date, exact place, being mastermind and so on. These are all premises full of conspiracy theory. It is terribly boring even to imagine that human beings spend their time with such CT rubbish.

[Big Pappa]

9. "ct rubbish"

You said it, I didn't.

[wildbilln864]

18. I'm with you there ma!

Very frustrating indeed to have so many take the word of liars and sociopaths over common sense!
:banghead:

[Big Pappa]

22. "Common sense"?

Oh yeah, like nuclear reactors, pod planes, thermite and thermate, direct energy beams. I'm sure I missed a few but who's counting. Common sense would tell me Bush is an empty shell as is most of his staff. Not nearly sophisticated enough to pull off this kind of shit.

[dailykoff]

23. Um, he and only he controls of an extra-constitutional private army

called the CIA. And we know what absolute power does.

[Grateful for Hope]

24. Common sense

is what would negate the official story. Of course there are alternative theories out there (and some might seem fantastic), but, the fact remains that the official story is so "out there" (and, so devoid of proof) that it was inevitable that alternative hypotheses would be developed.

What do you think would happen in an atmosphere of secrecy?

And, I also wanted to add that I do believe that anyone who believes the official story without reservation is someone who definitely wishes to preserve the status quo.

[Big Pappa]

26. Sure,

there are many questions that remain about the official story, but to delve int things like nuclear reactors takes away any credibility in asking those questions.

[Grateful for Hope]

27. Yes

but, can you agree that the secrecy of the current admin has led to this?

[Big Pappa]

29. This

administration has been secretive just as the previous one was. And we do need more openness and accountability. But I do not correlate the idea that because someone is secretive that nefarious conspiracy's abound.

[Grateful for Hope]

30. I have to ask

Why not?

[Big Pappa]

31. They

are both completely separate enigmas.

[Grateful for Hope]

32. I guess so you say n/t

[wildbilln864]

34. Well, obviously you've convinced yourself!

I've not once mentioned anything about nuclear reactors nor pod planes yet you want to pull that from nowhere as typical of the Bush/PNAC CT believers. Everything they've done so far has been founded on the so called "war on terra" which was initiated from 911! Alot of which was even planned before 911 and just waiting for some event to make it happen! I won't assume for a second that Cheney, and/or Rumsfeld, Rove, Wolfy, Gonzo, and some others with help from some rogue CIA agents and unlimited money couldn't or wouldn't engineer and implement a "new Pearl Harbor event"! But you go ahead if you like. We just don't agree!

Nonetheless there needs to be an investigation!


And all Bush had to do was sit back and let Cheney and others handle the show! And he get's to be a war President! Quite alot of power for so little effort!

[CGowen]

10. I don't think many are saying Bush knew everything or details.

Hell! Marketing alone would tell you the best image of the Pres. would be him calmly directing operations from the oval office. Defiant speech at the ready, White House media people would capture the whole thing in picture and sound. He would even refuse to go to the bunker preferring to stand and fight the terrorist toe to toe. What a Man!!!!

That is what would have happened on 911.... IF HE KNEW.. But he didn't want to know of Islamic terrorist, And he should have, Clinton had made it a part of his time in office to go after OBL. Bush decided it was important only after thousands died.

The PR took Bush's image standing on the burning rubble.



If they had filmed inside a bunker ( a situation like the one occurred with Cheney and Mineta ). I think that would be not helpful to create a we were attacked and no one could have imagined image .....
http://youtube.com/watch?v=GO-9LQDFE2Y


Michael Moore admitts he doesn't want to go where real issues are.

"It would be unamerican", in response to a question as to why the standing down of the NORAD aerial forces on September 11, 2001 was not included in his movie Farenheit 9/11 (as seen in Alex Jones's amateur documentary Martial Law: 9/11 Rise of the Police State).
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Michael_Moore

People like Eminem for example use this for better effect ( it's a simplification )

http://youtube.com/watch?v=tD5WlQ54Sg0

In October, press reports revealed that White House staff had been on a regimen of the powerful antibiotic Cipro since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks. Judicial Watch wants to know why White House workers, including President Bush, began taking the drug nearly a month before anthrax was detected on Capitol Hill.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=27888
http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/newsletter/2002/0802k.shtml

Who put him on cipro before the Anthrax attacks?

[greyl]

12. You're wrong - many are saying that.

Btw, do you know why was Hatfill was taking Cipro before the Anthrax attacks?

[CGowen]

13. I'm not familiar with the Hatfill case. ( I had to search for it)

Here is his firend Clawson on Blitzers programm denying that he had a secret facility and told people to take Cipro

BLITZER: Because you know that one of the profiles that has been created by law enforcement sources is of a patriotic American involved in this issue trying to get interest out there on bio terrorism preparedness but that the experiment that he was engaged in got out of control and people were killed.

CLAWSON: Yes, and I'm not quite buying it and there's been an awful lot of other erroneous information and theories, erroneous in my opinion, floated about him. One that the New York Times reported was that he had some kind of a secret mountain cabin that was an anthrax laboratory and he was telling people that visited there that they should use Cipro.
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/cnn.html

During this period at OEM Jerome Hauer worked with Steven Hatfill, later reported to be a Senior Research Associate at USAMRIID, in a role of an expert for advising the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) which in turn advises the US government and several other countries. Members of the CFR include Pentagon top advisers Richard Perle, Henry Kissinger, Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, ex-CIA chief James Woolsey and biosciences specialist Joshua Lederberg. Hauer and Hatfill presented a topic called Building a 'Biobomb': Terrorist Challenge on May 28, 1998 at a CFR conference. He later took part in a meeting at the CFR called "Independent Task Force on America's Response to Terrorism" on November 6, 2001 which defined a framework for public relation goals in communicating the 9/11 events. Several parts might be attributed to the ideas of George Soros


Hauer started his work for the NIH by September 10, 2001 as a national security advisor. He might have been there earlier, but public sources are not clear. At the time he still held the position of Managing Director at Kroll Associates, Inc.. On 11th September he gave a secret recommendation to the White House to take Cipro, an antibiotic that is effective against anthrax.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerome_Hauer

The Cipro prescription was for a lingering sinus infection, Hatfill explained. He insisted that he had never worked with anthrax, and that his research at Fort Detrick had focused solely on viruses. The positive identification by the bloodhounds amounted to one dog's friendly reaction when Hatfill reached down to pet him.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A49717-2003Sep9

[Andre II]

14. Says who?

Any examples?
Do you know why the White House staff took Cipro on 9/11?

[CGowen]

15. I imagine that people, who have just seen a 911 inside job DVD

might think something like this. As a first reaction.

[Andre II]

35. Maybe there people out there

but as my friend greyl claimed there are many of them I'm sure he can back up his claim...
Just a hint: I believe he's NOT talking of Webster Tarpley...
So, greyl, any evidence?

[greyl]

44. CTists in this forum.

Search for threads about My Pet Goat.

[wildbilln864]

17. don't change the subject please.

Support your assertion. :shrug:
Unless of course, you just made it up.

[greyl]

45. Yeah, yeah.

What does the following statement mean to you?: "He sure didn't seem alarmed to me! Nor did he seem surprised!"

[CGowen]

11. Many argue that Bush is not important to be told,

also remember he often has Freudian slips, that makes it probably dangerous to tell him anything.


http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default.asp?page=story_13-5-2005_pg4_11

Bush not told about plane scare until after biking

WASHINGTON: President George W Bush was not told for nearly an hour while he finished a bike ride about a breach in White House airspace on Wednesday that prompted the highest alert since the Sept. 11, 2001, attacks, the White House said. The White House said the Secret Service held off informing the president because he was not in danger and White House spokesman Scott McClellan said Bush was satisfied with how the situation was handled. Bush was about a half-an-hour into his ride at the Patuxent Wildlife Research Center in Maryland when an unidentified Cessna airplane came near the White House, sending the Secret Service scrambling to evacuate Vice President Dick Cheney and move First Lady Laura Bush to a secure location. McClellan said the president’s Secret Service detail was informed about the plane at about 11:59 a.m., when the decision was made to raise the threat level at the White House to “yellow.” reuters

[wildbilln864]

16. Well someone didn't think he'd be in any danger there at that school!

Else he should have been whisked away for safety's sake! Both his and those children! They were unsure how many planes had been hijacked! reports say they thought as many as eight may heve been hijacked! The news had reported days earlier that Bush would be there at that school! There's an airport just minutes away where one or more of those alledged hijackers could easily have hijacked a plane with the intention of taking Bush out! Yet he just sat there reading! Then went to a meeting in the same building! Then a photo op!
Why didn't the SS think he might be in danger that morning in your opinion?
No one ever said Bush masterminded anything! That's your strawman there!

[911_truthiness]

19. Think Here..

You see even if your don't tell Bush personally, or even his staff for that mater, it still does not make much sense to have the figurehead of the government your are trying to promote to be seen as foolish and ineffectual.

So you would see to it Bush would be at the Whitehouse that day, After all according to you people this big plan has been put into place but then you DON'T make plans to have "your guy" look as good as possible? According to you guys you have thousands of people in on the BIG PLOT but don't tell Bush handlers that it would be best to have the prez. stay home on 911??? Is that what you want me to believe!!! COME ON!!! Think Here!

A thinking SS person would not just whisk the prez out the door and drive him to Airforce One. What if the motorcade is the target with a truck bomb? What if AIrforce is a target? You would have to consider where to go and how to get there, Why run off and hide?

Now if Bush had just flew back to the WH, You guys would be saying "See He Knew! He was not afraid to come right back to Washington"

You guys don't think this stuff through, you parrot what you read on a CONSPIRACY THEORIST site but never analyze it for bull.

[dailykoff]

21. Yeah right.

Enjoy your stay.

[CGowen]

25. Air force one was a target

They also feared that Air Force One itself was a target. Cheney told the president there was a credible threat against the plane. Using the code name for Air Force One, Mr. Bush told an aide, “Angel is next.” The threat was passed to presidential pilot Col. Mark Tillman.

“It was serious before that but now it is - no longer is it a time to get the president home,” says Tillman. “We actually have to consider everything we say. Everything we do could be intercepted, and we have to make sure that no one knows what our position is.”
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/09/11/60II/main521718.shtml

Imagine

FOX News alert
Bush just ordered heroically the shoot-down of 4 hijacked airliners to protect the homeland.
The White House had credible information the planes were hijacked and the hijackers wanted to crash them into Gov. or financial buildings.

And now what, invade Afghanistan?






Have you seen this conspiracy site?
http://patriotsquestion911.com/

[HCE SuiGeneris]

28. Please don't post sites like this...

It makes the OCT's crap in their pants...

[John Q. Citizen]

33. The powers that be were prompting bush to behave himself. bush thought it was a coup at first.

Why couldn't bush get a jet escort for and hour or more after he split the school? Remember how all the newspapers and networks reported that Air Force One had received "credible specific threats" against the President? Then 3 days later they changed their story?

Have you read Synthetic Terror; Made in the USAby Webster Tarpley?

You can read it for free at the online lending library at americanbuddha.com

It's a very interesting book and it has a unique take on 9/11.

Tarpley's assertian is that bush was completely out of the loop. The Secret Government (remember Iran/Contra/) made their demands and bush complied.

Check it out.

[911_truthiness]

37. AHH! The old "The Secret Government"

AHH! The old "The Secret Government"

You can't explain that by their actions the US government did not know what was going to happen on 911 so you create a mysterious Secret Government. Must be great to just make stuff up to fill in the gaps in your logic, wish I could do it. But I will stick to the real world of facts.

[CGowen]

38. Have you seen this fact?

WASHINGTON – The Bush administration
has activated Cold
War-era plans for a “shadow government”
consisting of 75 or more
senior officials who live and work
secretly outside Washington in case
the nation’s capital is crippled by
terrorist attack, a senior government
official said last night.
The official, speaking on condition
of anonymity, said the operation
has been in effect since the first
hours after the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks
– the first time the shadow
government plan has ever been put
into effect.
Originally designed to help the
government withstand Cold War
nuclear threats, the plan was activated
out of heightened fears that
the al-Qaida terrorist network
might obtain a portable nuclear
weapon.
U.S. intelligence has no specific
knowledge of such a weapon, the
official said, but the risk was great
enough to warrant the
activation of a plan that
dates to the presidency of
Dwight D. Eisenhower.
Under the classified “Continuity
of Operations Plan,” first reported
by The Washington Post, high-ranking
officials representing their departments
have begun rotating in
and out of the assignment at one of


http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/frontpage/seattle_pima1x220020301.pdf

[John Q. Citizen]

40. It must be comforting for you to be so ignorant of US history. How old are you?

Let me guess. You are young enough that you were a child or not yet born during Iran/contra?

But don't take my word for it....

"There exists a shadowy government with its own Air Force, its own Navy, its own fundraising mechanism, and the ability to pursue its own ideas of national interest, free from all checks and balances, and free from the law itself."

— Senator Daniel K. Inouye at the Iran Contra Hearings


http://demopedia.democraticunderground.com/index.php/Daniel_Inouye

Perhaps you are better informed than Senator Inouye, and you have facts or evidence that dispute his understanding of our country?

But I doubt that. My guess is that you are ignorant of our country's history.

Don't feel bad. Many people are in the same boat as yourself.

[John Q. Citizen]

41. By the way, don't forget to vote!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=114063&mesg_id=114063

[CGowen]

42. He can't vote

Sorry, only users who were already registered before the poll was started may vote.

[CGowen]

46. He's dead

[John Q. Citizen]

47. I had that premonition that he might be a candidate for a MODified Darwin Award

[CGowen]

49. MODified Darwin Award? nt

[Andre II]

48. And OCTer

were so proud that only CTer get tombestoned ....

[dailykoff]

20. a.k.a. the Plausible Deniability Hour

In this touching episode, our compassionate conservative hero photogenically ministers to poor minority chillun in brother Jebster's magic kingdom when suddenly tragedy strikes: an evil infidel attacks our peaceful nation!

Could it have been any more stage-managed? :crazy:

[911_truthiness]

36. You have not explained the logic.

You have not explained your logic.

Why plan this big all encompassing plot and NOT arrange to have the man who will be pushing your cause before the people and congress look his best and in fact look foolish and ineffectual?

You say the 911 plot was done to clear the way for a "war for oil", but this is the guy who will be pushing that war. So you leave him high and dry on 911 looking like an idiot when all it would take is simple shuffling of his plans and have him on the job in Washington.

NO, lets have him reading children stories, BUT lets arrange to have a real phone for him to talk on so he looks more presidential????? What kind of logic is that?

Reason and logic would tell you is that the government got caught with it pants down that day

And to top it off you get the reason for the phone wrong, I knew it was an encrypted phone, so with your great "Truther" investigative skills didn't you?

[Andre II]

39. Buddy

welcome to DU!
And maybe with 13 posts you should calm down a bit judging the research capacities of people who have been around here for years ....*
Maybe there is a good reason for having a president who wasn't in the know. Have a look at other covert operations and you'll find many where the president wasn't in the know. And remembering the Air Force One threat: Maybe 911 was organized to oblige Bush to follow the planed politics. Webster Tarpley has a whole chapter on this. Just compare the strange difference between what Bush said on 9/11.
One thing remains for sure: Not a single person in charge on 9/11 did anything whatsoever. Moreover ALL of them have contradicting stories of what they did that very morning.

[CGowen]

43. more info on oil

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=389&topic_id=389816&mesg_id=389816