April Gallop

[k-robjoe]

Have you all listened to Pentagon survivor April Gallop?

http://kpfa.org/archives/index.php?arch=20839

[wildbilln864]

1. Wow!

Now I see why this thread's been ignored. And I've only heard the firs 6 minutes.
Thank you for posting this k-robjoe! :hi: Jamie McIntire caught lieing!

[wildbilln864]

2. kick because........

you guys need to hear this. At least the first ten minutes. :hi:

[dchill]

3. Wow

[wildbilln864]

4. I'd like to see her....

on Real Time with Bill Maher!

[spooked911]

5. I've heard her story before and it is interesting

of course she is just another witness who is conveniently ignored by OCTers.

[wildbilln864]

6. you got that right! eom.

[wayfareralibis]

7. They wanted the employees to tell the "official " version

and facts that they were "trained" to express. She would not do that, since she saw no evidence of a plane. I bet a lot of the people who give the untruther version of events have nice big promotions now.
They didn't want her to tell that her son had been injured and was in that location. That is weird.

No alarms, no warning, no alerts. Now think about that. When the WTC had already been attacked and they didn't even tell them. She says that when she worked there before that they had so many drills it was annoying.
The doors that let people in, but not out were working and that is why so many people were burned to death. How could a plane get within that radius? she asks.
Anyone who listens to this and does not question what happened is an UNtruther.
She is from a military family: God, country & man, etc....She never was one to question.

She was asked what she thought happened at the Pentagon, while in the military hospital and he said: "this is what happened and this is what you are going to say you saw" and that's how they did folks.
Defense - Public Affairs

There is a lot more here then just the plane, guys, this is how they did it, this is how they got people to lie to the public.
She was told to say it was a plane that hit the building. Her watch stopped at 9:30.

[wildbilln864]

9. Excellent points wayfareralibis!

And welcome to the dungeon, by the way! :hi:

[defendandprotect]

90. Well told --- !!!

[wayfareralibis]

8. Fox News told specifically not to interview her by Pentagon

I was listening to more of it and she says that a Fox News reporter was told specifically not to interview her and, instead, was given a list of people to interview. Well, UNtruthers, there are your "witnesses" - hah hah hah! (But you already knew that, didn't you?)

[wildbilln864]

10. Untruthers!?

I like it! Or "nontruthers", or how about "hide the truthers". :patriot:

[wildbilln864]

11. Why hasn't ....

Mc Entire been confronted about his obvious lies? :grr: Which time is he telling the tuth and why did he lie? Not that it will happen of course.

[wayfareralibis]

15. Well, actually since they say

"truthers" in a derogatory fashion meant to discourage people from using the word "truth" and make the word itself a dirty word, the opposite would be "Liars" but my post got deleted when I said it before . Untruthful is a close enough.

[Bolo Boffin]

17. Truthers called themselves truthers long before any debunker called them that.

That's my experience anyway. When people self-apply, why not call them that?

Others object to the term, and I don't use it to describe them. Case in point: JackRiddler objects to the term, and I'm happy to not call him a truther.

It's called respect and common courtesy. Something you should look into, whoever you are.

[Bolo Boffin]

12. DAVE VON KLEIST???

Wildbilln864, you should be ashamed of yourself.

[CGowen]

13. He is only a part of the audio and a broken clock is sometimes right, like in the case of Jamie M.

n/t

[Bolo Boffin]

18. Wildbill told us to listen to the first ten minutes - Dave is five of those minutes.

Wildbill is upset that McIntyre is "lying." Von Kleist is the one presenting that fallacious argument, one he can only support by playing selective parts of the McIntyre interview.

Since you support the "lying McIntyre" argument, you're propping up the charlatan Dave Von Kleist. Plenty of shame to go around, CGowen.

[CGowen]

20. You were replying to k-robjoe, who wants us to listen to April

I don't believe that McIntyre made pictures of the cockpit and the fuselage, did he publish them?

[Bolo Boffin]

21. That's true, but wildbill's the one that's been kicking the thread.

I don't know if McIntyre published his pictures.

K-robjoe also didn't inform anyone that Dave Von kLIEst was the other main attraction in this presentation.

[CGowen]

23. As far as I remember it is a three part program: Kleist, Gallop and Honegger

I don't think he is taking up all the time.




If you want the full dose Kleist you have to get his music, I think he was or is a musician.


http://www.thepowerhour.com/daves_music.htm

[wildbilln864]

96. so you're not upset...

about a news reporter clearly lying to us?
Do you think he lied?

[seatnineb]

14. And you should be ashamed of the guilt by association tecnique...

Yeah .....so Dave "pod" Kleist presented the event....

Does not change the fact that April Gallop walked through your hole where flight 77 crashed....except she saw no evidence of it.....

[Bolo Boffin]

19. I didn't stand on a stage with Dave Von Kleist - April Gallop did.

I don't blame her for getting confused during a very confusing time.

I blame her for getting on stage with a proven liar.

Most of the plane went to the back. Hundreds of other people saw it. April's story doesn't affect the physical evidence.

Remember, Mr. Lewin? Physical evidence trumps recall of witnesses.

[seatnineb]

24. Most of the plane went to the back?...not according to this witness

Name: Barbara
E-Mail:...
Location: United States

sorry guys, someone wasted a lot of time making this video. I was stuck in traffic 50 yards south of the Pentagon and watched as the plane flew so low that it filled my windshield as it passed. After it hit we all jumped out our cars to get a better look. What kind of plane was it? Who cares? It was obviously a very large commercial jet sticking halfway out of a well-made building. Did I hear a whoosh? Don't remember, I was listening to news reports on the radio at the time. I realize that memory can be selective, but what is really the point? Whatever your politics, this clearly happened. You people need to get a life.
http://www.signs-of-the-times.org/signs/911eyewitnesses.htm

get outta here Bolo....you and your witnesses(who saw the plane) and your physical evidence...R a joke.

[Bolo Boffin]

25. Physical evidence trumps recall of witnesses. n/t

[seatnineb]

31. The physical evidence says that Fl77 hit at 9:30:

April gallop also says that her watch also said 9:30 when the explosion occured:

Yet the official story tells us that Flight 77 hit at 9:37:

At 9:37, the west wall of the Pentagon was hit by hijacked American ...
www.9-11commission.gov/report/911Report_Ch9.htm

So we have witnesses who contradict another....and physical evidence that contradicts itself...

In other words you can shit can your bullshit......

"physical evidence trumps witnesses"

....rhetoric

[Sweet Pea]

32. Nice.

I'd like you take that evidence into a courtroom and state unequivocally that a couple of Skilcraft clocks, running on double-A batteries, manually set with every possibility they were set with the wrong time or had not been updated since Lord knows when are the definitive time standard in this question.

You'd be laughed out of the courtroom.

The bottom line is the exact time can be determined based on digital time stamps from the television news that day. I was watching NBC that morning and Pentagon correspondent Jim Miklaszewski had just concluded an update from the briefing room. The morning anchor, Katie Couric, hurriedly finished an interview with a former gov't official and went straight to Jim Miklaszewski who said "I don't want to alarm anyone but it felt, just a few moments ago, like there was an explosion of some kind here at the Pentagon."

Archives of this are at http://www.archive.org/details/nbc200109110912-0954

The NBC news recording begins at 09:12 am and Miklaszewski's comment comes at 26:30 into the recording. That works out to approximately 09:38 and taking into account the delay Mikleszewski had in getting on the air, an impact time of 09:37 is much more plausible than a couple of battery-powered government-contacted disabled-American corporation clocks whose hands could have gone Lord knows where in a blast wave or in the physical aftermath immediately after an aircraft impact..

So go ahead and take your Skilcraft clocks and argue that they are the definitive time stamp. Do the same thing with April Gallop's watch. Gallop also askes where the anti-aircraft missiles were that she knew were there which is absolute bullshit because there weren't any. So you are hitching your horse (again) to a bullshitter (again), but I know that wont' stop you because it doesn't fit your version of events, however cockeyed and cockamamie they are.

[seatnineb]

33. Wrong.

Date: Tuesday, September 11, 2001 09:29 AM

The Pentagon, too?!??????

Tim
http://www.waltlog.net/2004_09_05_archive.html

Next.

[Sweet Pea]

34. Fine.

You go ahead and base your timing on a transcript from an internet chat log, recreated by someone typing in information. I'll stick with archived news footage where the exact time can be determined by digital satellite downlink time stamps and recorded events. I was watching NBC that morning from an office on my floor in Crystal City, about a mile and a half from the Pentagon. The instant Mikleszewski said the referenced words about "something happening", I walked to the window and looked over to the north and saw the black mushroom cloud climbing - still in its initial stages of development. The impact was perhaps 10-15 seconds, if that, prior to Mikleszewski's comment.

Like I said, you go ahead and stick with the battery clocks, a watch from a liar and an internet chat room though. Perhaps you can find some picture of a sundial somewhere to bolster your position. Just trying to help.

[seatnineb]

36. I'll take April Gallop's word over U any fuckin time....n/t

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[Sweet Pea]

43. LOL...

You go right ahead. I prefer a more accurate and technically-based way of determining the time in question. You prefer a battery-powered clock, built by an organization of the National Industries for the Blind, providing "expendable property to the government." This isn't a knock on the blind folks who make these double-A powered chronographic devices, but they are hardly the robust time-keeping devices that I'd bet my farm on when the impact of Flight 77 occurred.

And as far as April Gallop goes, having worked in the Pentagon myself, I know for a fact much of what she is talking about is bullshit, especially the "self-defense missiles" she speaks of.

But you go right ahead and believe her.

*snort*

[seatnineb]

45. You worked in the Pentagon....except U R an anonymouse internet poster..

...who could be makin shit up.

.....I'll take April over you any fuckin time.

[Laurier]

67. Too funny, Mr. Anonymous Poster.

Frankly, from where I'm sitting, I'm more inclined to believe Sweet Pea than to believe you. I think that you've been "making shit up" (to quote you) for a long time, and that poor April has been sadly and horribly misled by members of that group you belong to, the grossly inaptly self-proclaimed "truth" movement.

And who the hell are you to whine about someone else not providing their real name while you post anonymously as "seatnineb" yourself? I'm quite sure that isn't your real name, so where exactly do you get off with this stupid criticism of yours?

Frankly, I don't blame anyone for not providing their real name to the lunatics that identify themselves with the "truth" movement because it has been demonstrated that members of your "movement" are, in fact, crazy and who knows what they're capable of. On the other hand, there is no real reason for those of you wearing tinhats not to use your real names. Hmm. Go figure, Mr. Anonymous.

[seatnineb]

74. Rubbish...I am not the one claiming I worked at the Pentagon

April Gallop has worked at the pentagon....and can prove that she worked there.

Sweet Pea is nothing more than an anonymmouse poster who claims to have worked at the pentagon....that fact you are inclined believe him/her is par for the course.....

And speaking of names...should I call you Jazz...or G hawes...your style seems rather too reminiscent of those 2 long departed DU posters

By the way...i don't belong to any truth movement....when you have evidence that I do..get back to me.

[Sweet Pea]

75. Funny

Your reluctance to believe me and my claim to have worked in the Pentagon (Expeditionary Warfare (N75) and Surface Warfare (N76) directorates of Navy Operations, btw, both on the 5th deck, with N75 being in room 5A478 if you must know, for 2 years from 2004-2006) are pretty funny seeing that you know probably about as much (or at least not that much more) about April Gallop yet you believe her lock, stock and barrel.

Which is fine. I'm not here to impress you or anyone else for that matter. I remain anonymous because even in this supposedly friendly forum and environment there are those who can take your name and do unbelievable things to it and find out unbelievable information about you. If that anonymity causes you problems and gives you pause to question my credentials when I say things like "I worked at the pentagon", so be it.

All I can say about that is life must suck pretty bad for you if you take that portion of the population whom you don't like and choose to discount everything they say.

I have a feeling that "portion of the population" is a lot of people.

And by the by, April and I live in the same town in northern Virginia - Woodbridge (assuming she still lives here). Just found that out. Kinda funky.

Edited to add that interesting little tidbit.

[seatnineb]

76. April can prove she worked at the Pentagon..U can't....

...and until you can...everything U say has 0 weight and meaning in this medium of the internet.......you know this....that is why you say what you do.

In the words of Sweet Pea:

All I can say about that is life must suck pretty bad for you if you take that portion of the population whom you don't like and choose to discount everything they say.

Is the above more a reflection of yourself?

[wildbilln864]

44. Me too bro...

Any day!

[seatnineb]

47. Right on!

:toast:

[Thorandmjolnir]

109. carefull there counselor.

Unless you can provide some evidence as to why the clocks should be regarded as unreliable, or present evidence that these particular clocks never keeps accurate time, you will be the one laughed out of the court room.

What the clocks shows is that an event occurred at or around 9:30 big enough to cause clocks, placed in different locations, to stop at the same time. It might have been the plane crashing into the Pentagon, or it might have been some other equally major event. We don't know.

Lastly, is it really that hard to believe that all clocks at the pentagon are synchronized and checked daily to show the exact same time?

[LARED]

110. It's extremely hard to believe;

Lastly, is it really that hard to believe that all clocks at the pentagon are synchronized and checked daily to show the exact same time?

The Pentagon is the largest office building in the world. To imagine ALL clocks are "synchronized and checked daily" is beyond silly. Why would that be needed? How would it even be done? How to audit for compliance?

[Bolo Boffin]

114. Wouldn't that be money better spent on black ops? n/t

[LARED]

116. Nope this is a great idea

I can see it now. 9:00 AM every Tuesday the PA system beeps three times and every clock in the thousands of offices have an assigned person to set the clock, fill out a log sheet and file it away for the monthly auditors that ensure clock synchronization protocols are being followed.

Each office gets a step ladder assigned to that office for this task as standing on a chair is unsafe. Twice per year the maintenance crew does a safety inspection of the ladder and fills out a log sheet to be filed by someone.

Someone in engineering gets to check the clocks log-sheets to see if any clocks need replacement due to poor time keeping. That's after some other poor engineer spends $10 thousand performing a study to determine when a clock is unreliable to develop standards for the guy checking the logsheets.

After a few years someone notices they are spending so many dollars it's just cheaper to buy new clocks every six months.

Unfortunately after buying new clocks two employees fall while installing them creating a lost time accident costing millions in a law suits.

[hack89]

115. The Pentagon is nothing more than a big office building

the few clocks in the command center most likely are synchronized but the rest don't need to be. With everything now on computers, the only time that is important is the network time servers.

[Sweet Pea]

35. Physical?

Is your Internet chat log "physical evidence"? Just curious.

[seatnineb]

37. Who cares...it trumps your pathetic testimony.....n/t

[wildbilln864]

111. what ever happened to sweat pee anyway?

:shrug:

[Grateful for Hope]

112. He's moaning on his blog

about the results of the Nov. 4 election.

[greyl]

113. The poor baby! nt

[Bolo Boffin]

38. It is but to...

:rofl:

[seatnineb]

41. Kevin Shaffer who was "at the back" where U say flight 77 arrived

......thought it was a bomb:

In the words of Kevin Schaeffer:
"A coordinated attack!" I thought. I stood for a moment in a frozen shock. My mind raced. It must have been a bomb planted by one of the many construction workers or technical contractors who still mingled about, placing the final touches on the new wedge.
http://americanhistory.si.edu/SEPTEMBER11/collection/su...

So we have April Gallop at the hole in the E ring(where flight 77 entered)



and Kevin Shaaffer at the punch out hole in the C-ring(where what was left of flight 77 came to rest)



....and niether have seen flight 77....

[Bolo Boffin]

42. And what does he think now?

:rofl:

[seatnineb]

46. U obvioulsy forgot that Shaeffer walked through the punch out hole

Shaeffer was severely burned and had inhaled jet fuel. He made his way to safety through a hole between the “C” and “D-Rings” of the Pentagon.
http://www.navy.mil/search/display.asp?story_id=25532

You know....the same hole that the nose of the plane supposedly came to a rest;

The airplane traveled in a path about like this, and the nose of the aircraft broke through this innermost wall of C ring into A-E Drive.
(News Briefing The Pentagon, Arlington, Virginia September 15, 2001, 11:00 A.M. EDT)

So April Gallop walked through the hole where Flight 77 entered the building....

And Kevin Shaeffer walked through the hole where the nose of Flight 77 exited the building....

[Bolo Boffin]

48. Not sure I agree with your police work there, Lew.

The A-E Drive isn't between C and D Ring. It's between C and B Ring.

[seatnineb]

50. Sheaffer came out of the punch out hole....deal with it.

"As we came out we were going toward the impact area," Workman said. "Several hundred yards down there was a huge hole in the side of the wall on the C Ring. The whole wall had just blown out into the road, the bricks from the wall were all over the road.

"We ran to the hole in the wall and started hollering in. You could see pockets of fire. It was obviously an office area because you could see the desks and the office supplies that were in there," he said.

As I turned around, I caught a glimpse of someone sitting on the ground right behind us. I turned and looked, and that's when I met Lt. Kevin Shaeffer," Workman said. "That hole is how he got out of the building."
http://www.belvoir.army.mil/news.asp?id=workman

So Shaeffer walked out of the hole in the A-E drive......where the plane's nose came to a rest...

This hole is in the A-E drive....

[Bolo Boffin]

53. That's what your first article said, seatnineb.

Here's something your latest source says:

When I saw him he was sitting flat on the ground, had his hands straight out in front of him and he had on a short-sleeve shirt. He had second- and third-degree burns from his fingertips all the way up as far as you could see up his sleeves, and his shirt was burnt and just kind of hanging open.

So Shaeffer had second- and third-degree burns on his arms. Your source talks about how he was on fire and had to put himself out.

Another traumatized witness you're quote mining. Don't you have better things to do than seek to contradict the physical evidence with the recollection of traumatized people?

http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/10/clamorosa-fotografia-inedita-dal.html

That's a link to more picture from the A-E Drive and the plane parts found there.

[seatnineb]

54. does not change the fact he walked through that hole....shortly after

.....a part of flight 77 also went through that hole.

Nothing to see here folks...move along.

[defendandprotect]

91. There is no physical evidence --- either outside or inside at the Pentagon . . .

and if there were anything that looked like a bit of plane debris outside ---
it looks like it was planted --- in fact, caught on film!!!

[Realityhack]

107. That is an extreamly ignorant statement.

There was quite a bit of physical evidence. The fact that you are too intellectually lazy to learn about it or so intellectually dishonest that you dismiss all of it out of hand does not change the fact that it exists.

[Thorandmjolnir]

108. So you do do guilt by association?

Nice to know for future discussions.

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[wildbilln864]

22. I am....

more ashamed of you bolo!

[Bolo Boffin]

26. You are repeating the lies of Dave Von Kleist. How sad.

Dave Von Kleist, debunkable with a single Google search.

[wildbilln864]

27. No, you're mistaken! Again.

My purpose is to have others hear the audio and see how Jamie McEntire has lied. What do you think I repeated? :eyes: Did you listen to it?

[wildbilln864]

29. Again what lie did I repeat?

:popcorn:

[wildbilln864]

30. That's what I thought! n/t

[wildbilln864]

28. Kick! n/t

[nebula]

39. Eyewitness Bob Pugh cooberates her story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fYWIT9TSJPE

[dlaliberte]

105. working Bob Pugh interview

That youtube link was broken. Here is another:

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=ib7EOdtGL7I

[greyl]

49. Yes, have you seen this amazing example of misdirection?

link

After watching this, it should be understandable how someone who is disoriented and panicking about their injured and possibly dying 3 month old child, while also concerned about saving others might not see parts of a disintegrated aircraft (of any kind!) at the Pentagon that day.

April Gallop quotes from the Guns and Butter program:

"When I came to, of course I was disoriented"
"You weren't really comprehending what was going on in your environment"
"There was a lot of hysteria"
"There was fear there - there was so many emotions going on"
"I was very fearful, I was very afraid, I was very concerned I had lost my child"
"There were so many things going on at one time and I was split"

Imagine you were dealing with all of April's trauma while trying to keep track of passes in the Misdirection video.
I'm certain even less of us would notice the gorilla we weren't looking for to begin with. (or parts of a plane)

edit: If the Misdirection video didn't "work" on you, here's a link to eyewitness accounts from DUers who attest that it's valid.

[Bolo Boffin]

51. That's right - April had brought her son to work with her that day.

More quotemining from traumatized witnesses. This is why physical evidence trumps witness recall.

[Grateful for Hope]

52. Have you studied trauma and memory?

Do you have links substantiating what you are hypothesizing?

I do give you credit for your efforts. But, I sincerely hope that you can back up what you are hypothesizing.

I do have an M.A. in psych, and, from what I have studied, there is no definitive agreement on what happens when an adult encounters trauma. There is a lot of literature on childhood trauma, and, therefore, more of an agreement on symptoms, etc. But, the adult literature is much sparser.

I look forward to a substantiation of your hyhpothesis.

[greyl]

55. Not specifically or formally, nor do I have a degree.

I dropped out of the same college as Frank Zappa, but I was on the Dean's List every semester and my Extraordinary Psych teacher enlisted me to help him choose the text books for the following year. All of that is irrelevant to the exercise in my previous post, however, which I don't think you understand.

Tell me, do you have any links to what is apparently your hypothesis that people in the situation April was in don't experience something called tunnel vision? Could you also exhibit your understanding of why the Misdirection video "works"?

[Grateful for Hope]

56. I implied nothing

that is your interpretation, and it is incorrect. I asked you to provide some links. Please do so, as I think it would add to this discussion.

[greyl]

57. You never heard of Tunnel Vision while achieving your degree in psych?

My earlier post was designed to appeal to reason, not to authority. Now, as you are trying to establish yourself as the psychological authority here, why not provide some evidence to persuade everyone who the Misdirection video worked on that their experience wasn't valid.

If I take you at your word that you've studied psychology, I have to conclude that you're just being difficult.

[Grateful for Hope]

58. Come on, greyl

I merely asked you to support your hypothesis. This is not an unreasonable request.

I do admire your creativity, btw. I do not mean this negatively.

[greyl]

59. If you have access to DSM-III, you can confirm "my" hypothesis.

From one synopsis available online:

To recognize PTSD in individuals, counselors should first
understand the theory of why people develop psychological
distress following a major shock. We developed this acute trauma
model after years of experience in counseling survivors of
traumatic events. The model has three distinct phases of acute
post trauma reactions: the shock phase, the impact phase and the
recovery phase.

The first phase, shock, generally begins during the actual
traumatic event and can last a few days or even a few weeks. Two
emotional responses ormally characterize the shock phase:
immobilization and denial.

During immobilization, the typical response is one of confusion,
disorganizatin and an inability to perform simple, routine tasks.
For instance, during a robbery a store clerk may be unable to
open the cash register. At the same time, the victim may also
experience denial, refusing to believe that the trauma is
actually happening.

Shock may manifest itself through perceptual changes in which
time is altered and events seem to be happening in slow motion.
Visual perceptions are modified; people sometimes have a
derealized "out-of-body" experience or may feel they are simply
observing rather than participating in the event. Another
frequent alteration is a tunnel vision that causes the victim to
focus on one aspect of the trauma to the exclusion of everything
else.

edit: If you demand more information, you'll have to take the time to toss the words "tunnel vision experience trauma effects" or something close into your favorite search engine. If you want to rebut "my" hypothesis, you'll have to provide some reasoning and/or links that show someone who went through what April went through is likely to experience the opposite of tunnel vision. /edit
________________

It's always nice to hear that someone appreciates my creativity, thanks. I'm not sure exactly which area you're talking about, but that doesn't really matter - I appreciate it.

[Grateful for Hope]

60. Thank you for this reference, greyl.

I am not sure that tunnel vision applies in this case, but, we really can't know this without interviewing the person herself.

This is a very reputable reference, btw.

[greyl]

61. We can't know without interviewing her? She's been interviewed, and I'm basing "my" hypothesis on

her own words from the recording linked to in the OP.

April Gallop: "When I came to, of course I was disoriented"
"You weren't really comprehending what was going on in your environment"
"There was a lot of hysteria"
"There was fear there - there was so many emotions going on"
"I was very fearful, I was very afraid, I was very concerned I had lost my child"
"There were so many things going on at one time and I was split"

She never said she was looking for aircraft parts, just like the subjects who watch the Misdirection video aren't looking for a gorilla(therefore don't see it). Subjects who don't see the gorilla aren't even experiencing a trauma while not seeing the gorilla.
Compound this with the over 120 or so witnesses who do attest that a plane hit the pentagon because they did see it, photographs of debris and passengers, DNA evidence, etc, and I think the most reasonable and likely explanation that April didn't see parts of any aircraft, missile, or evidence of explosive devices in the debris is clear; April Gallop wasn't looking for them.

[Grateful for Hope]

62. You could be right

but, I never analyze someone based on snippits of an interview. A lot of this doubt is due to, admittedly, my own bias. I have not read or seen anything that would convince me that we were told the truth about what happened there. Actually, I would be very relieved if I were to become convinced based on evidence that would satisfy me.

Thanks, greyl.

[greyl]

63. Let me put it this way: If she were being denied healthcare benefits for PTSD,

it would outrage me.
I wouldn't expect her to be forced to subject herself to analysis by a biased party to prove The Pentagon should not pay for her care.

[Grateful for Hope]

64. Wouldn't want to force her either.

We are in agreement here.

[greyl]

65. I was hoping so. ;) nt

[wildbilln864]

82. Well said Hope! n/t

[Laurier]

68. When's the last time you utilized that M.A. of yours in real life?

In a professional capacity?

I'm guessing somewhere between never and 20-25 years ago. But I'm leaning more towards never, since your posts seem to indicate that any 'expertise' you may have is in wholly unrelated fields. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

[Sweet Pea]

66. I'm a bit curious to know

a) Where specifically her work space was

and

b) Did she, during her evacuation, have to go through any area that might have had aircraft wreckage, specifically the ground floor of wedge 1's C/D/E .

She claims in her interview that she and others "came out of the actual hole...where the plane entered", but having seen that hole myself as we headed home around 10:00 that morning and seeing the fires that were still going on at that time, I'm not certain what she is talking about. Reports are that the fire and rescue crews could not even begin to approach the impact area because of fires and damage until 1pm that day.

I'm smellin' something here, and it has the whiff of embellishment.

[k-robjoe]

70. Well

Well, I came across this article :

"When a hijacked Boeing 757, skimming the street lights, smashed into the Pentagon on September 11, firefighters at nearby Reagan National Airport were the right responders in the right place with the right equipment.

Being among the first responding fire units, National's aircraft rescue firefighters (ARFF) crews were able to set up their apparatus directly in front of the gaping hole in the Pentagon. That was where their training in fighting aircraft fires and the capability of their foam units to extinguish jet fuel fires were put to the best use.

The ARFF foam units knocked down the bulk of the fire in the first seven minutes after their arrival, said Captain Michael Defina, who was the shift commander that day at National.

"We applied the foam tactfully and kept the fire from spreading drastically," he said. "This allowed for self-evacuation of the Pentagon at a critical time, saving many lives, and eventually the building." Two Oshkosh T3000s spread approximately 600 gallons (2.2 kiloliters) of 6% AFFF with an initial fire flow of more than 3,000 gallons (11.3 kiloliters) per minute."

http://www.public-action.com/911/rescue/nfpa-article/

If the article is genuine...

Edit : Seems like it´s genuine. Found this PDF :

http://info.jems.com/911/pdf/jems0402.pdf

But it´s really bedtime over here.

[wildbilln864]

71. good find! thanks. n/t

[wildbilln864]

69. a kick........

so more people can be exposed to her testimony. :hi:

[Laurier]

72. Funny that Ms. Gallop doesn't mention the conspiracy crap in her lawsuits.

You do know that she's involved in several lawsuits, right?

[greyl]

73. Do they all regard the financing of Al Queda? nt

[Laurier]

77. Nary a one.

[greyl]

78. The one I found did.

Kin of Sept 11 victims file $116 trillion lawsuit

Aziz Haniffa in Washington, DC

While acknowledging the odds against them, some 600 family members of September 11 victims filed a $116 trillion lawsuit on 15 counts on Thursday against three Saudi princes, several foreign banks and charities, and the Sudanese government, charging them with financing Osama bin Laden and his Al Qaeda network.

The lawsuit, modelled on the lines of the suit filed against Libya by relatives of the victims of the Pam Am Flight 103 disaster in 1988, seeks to cripple these banks and charities and the Saudi princes as a deterrent to future terrorist-funding activities.

...

Also joining in the lawsuit was April D Gallop, who survived the attack on the Pentagon along with her then two-and-a-half month-old son, Elisha.
Gallop said, "We will hold those who bankroll terrorism accountable, win justice for the families and survivors, and send a clear and unmistakable message around the world that anyone who finances, supports, or enables terrorists will pay a fearsome price."

www.rediff.com/us/2002/aug/16terr.htm

[Laurier]

79. I don't think that one is still proceeding. but I could be wrong.

She's involved in several frivolous lawsuits, so I may have missed the current status of that particular one.

[greyl]

80. Huh. Yeah, I was only thinking that it's odd for someone who

is essentially providing support to the "no plane hit the Pentagon" MIHOP tribe to be involved in a lawsuit against those who funded the Al Queda hijackers who flew a plane into the Pentagon.

What is the nature of the others she's involved in?

[Laurier]

81. Odd, yes.

And now that I look at it again, I think that in that particular case, she is the only remaining plaintiff out of the 600 or so that it started with, and that all of the others have abandoned it. Last I saw, she was supposed to get a new attorney to represent her because the attorneys who initiated the lawsuit advised their clients to abandon it and since she is the only one who hasn't, the attorneys are no longer representing her.

She is also involved in a few other lawsuits but I will have to look them up again to see who the defendants are and what the allegations are. I haven't looked at them in a couple of years, and I just don't remember the details of them off the top of my head. I'll get back to you on that, though.

[defendandprotect]

83. Film from a hotel nearby Pentagon has been released -- NO PLANE . . . !!!!

They got it via a lawsuit by the hotel --

No plane can be seen on the video ---

[defendandprotect]

84. Thank you -- didn't know about April Gallop!! And another wonderful opportunity to hear . . .

Barbara Honneger --

Kordite . . .

Windows -- pressure wave --

Clocks ---

9:31 and 9:32.5

earliest is still five minutes off ---!!!

[End Of The Road]

97. I caught it last weekend, but didn't have much time...

...to follow up. My first question with videos is "has it been photoshopped?" So this is truly a legit video? From the correct perspective? If so, it's the smoking gun, finally!!

[wildbilln864]

99. maybe...

maybe no. :shrug:

[defendandprotect]

85. Pentagon "safest building in the world" . . . EXCEPT on 9/11 -- !!!!

No bomb-sniffing dogs that day --- !!!

No alarms -- no warnings --

[wildbilln864]

86. 50 miles out sir...

30 miles out. ten miles out, have the orders been changed?

[defendandprotect]

87. April walked OUT OF THE HOLE where the plane was supposed to be -- !!!!

Plus she also had one of the inconventially stopped watches -- !!!

[wildbilln864]

88. Thank you. n/t

[wildbilln864]

98. self deleted dupe, nt

[defendandprotect]

89. Everyone here should be aware of April Gallop's testimony ---

it has FULL bearing on the 9/11 story at the Pentagon ---

She is very courages to fight on to tell the truth ---

NO PLANE HIT THE PENTAGON . . .

[wildbilln864]

92. Everyone here...

and everywhere! Well said defendandprotect. :hi:

[Sweet Pea]

93. Oh, believe me.....

I'm aware of it. I am also aware of the "non-truths" she is putting out in her interviews. Why she is doing this, I have no idea. (Pssst...."non-truth" is a polite way of saying "lie")

All I know is that anything she has to say is suspect from the moment she opens her mouth.

[wildbilln864]

94. Why more suspect...

than what you have to say? :shrug:

[seemslikeadream]

100. truth?

Do you even understand what that word means

[wildbilln864]

95. Jamie McEntire is a fucking liar!

:hi:

[seemslikeadream]

101. A former US Army Officer is suing Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of Defense Rumsfeld

http://chattahbox.com/us/2008/12/18/911-pentagon-building-survivor-sues-rumsfeld-and-cheney/


US (ChattahBox) – A former US Army Officer is suing Vice President Dick Cheney, former Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, and retired Air Force General Richard Myers former chairman of the joint chiefs, for what she says was a blatant lack of security measures and evacuation on the 9/11 attacks at the Pentagon, which seriously injured herself and her two month old son.


According to the details of the suit, a warning came in at 9:24 AM on September 11, 2001, that American Airlines Flight 77 was heading towards the Pentagon, and that unknown assailants had hijacked the plane. No evacuation was instigated, and at 9:43 AM the plane hit the building, causing injury to April Gallop (photo left), as well as severe brain damage to her then 2 month old son.

She also alleges that not only did they Pentagon officials fail to warn the people in the building, but that she heard two explosions, rather then a collision before the roof of her office toppled in on her and her son. Since making these claims directly after the event, she has been denied benefits from the US Army, which, as a former soldier injured in a conflict should have every right to receive.

Several other unnamed persons have also been named in the lawsuit.

“What they don’t want is for this to go into discovery,” Gallop’s attorney, Mr. Veale, told reporters. “If we can make it past their initial motion to dismiss these claims, and we get the power of subpoena, then we’ve got a real shot at getting to the bottom of this. We’ve got the law on our side.”


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There is a two part utube interview with her lawyer if you google it you will find it

[Bolo Boffin]

102. The claim that April Gallop is a "former US Army officer" is a factual inaccuracy.

On September 11, 2001, she was employed by the Pentagon as an administrative specialist. She was just back from pregnancy leave. She was not an officer. Kindly correct your post.

[seemslikeadream]

103. ..........

April Gallop, an administrative specialist (with a Top Secret with SCI clearance) with the U.S. Army.

[Bolo Boffin]

104. None of that says "former U.S. Army officer"

Words mean things. Please correct your factual inaccuracy.

[Name removed]

106. Deleted message

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[k-robjoe]

117. Pentacon followup

Maybe this has been brought up allready, but I hadn´t see it before.

It´s a followup from the "Pentacon" video, with more witnesses :

"9/11-The Pentagon Attack Part 1 of 8"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B0FHskfNNzA

( http://www.thepentacon.com/ )

[wildbilln864]

118. thanks. nt