Show me a video of an AA 757 hitting the Pentagon

[freeze]

or one flying near the Pentagon on Sept 11th.

It shouldn't be too hard if a Boeing 757 hit the Pentagon.

Photos will work too.

It has to show a recognizable AA 757 though.

Videos or photos that just show blurs won't convince me that a 757 plane hit there.

Thanks.

[AngryAmish]

1. no

[greyl]

2. no

[freeze]

4. Because you don't want to, or can't?

[Anarcho-Socialist]

5. Bye-bye KT

[Name removed]

3. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[Twist_U_Up]

6. heres one

[nebula]

7. Now that's what I call a smoking gun!

lol.

[OKthatsIT]

8. It's amazing people believe a Big Jet put a home in that building

without any trace of skid marks...

JUST AMAZIN!

[SDuderstadt]

10. And you know there weren't any, how?

Because you haven't seen any? LOLOLOL.

[Twist_U_Up]

43. And you know there was ,how ? Lets hear this goofy ass explaination.

Let me guess you have 100s of eye witnesses but yet not even one picture of a plane anywhere near the Pentagon,probably the most protected building in the world. mmmmmmm hmmmmmm
Just one ?

note to self: Focus your time on people who have enough intelligence and are not sleep walking.

[SDuderstadt]

47. Are you claiming the hundreds of eyewitnesses are lying?

This is beyond silly.

[SDuderstadt]

48. Are you claiming the hundreds of eyewitnesses are lying?

This is beyond silly.

[nebula]

51. Here's one of your not-so credible official story witnesses

Rick Renzi : also known as ex co-chair of McCains presidential campaign, who has been indicted for theft and extortion, 35 counts, is also, no shit....an eyewitness to the Pentagon attack on 9/11 !

"I was on the overpass overlooking the Pentagon when the jet came in a dive bombing angle with such severity that the explosions, the flames, and smoke it kept all of us down on the bridge down underneath our cars."

--Rick Renzi

www.youtube.com/watch?v=04obnec9_CA

Huh!? Severe dive bombing angle?

Isn't that totally at odds with the light poles and the official story? WTF!?

[SDuderstadt]

53. Please explain how...

Renzi's comments are at odds with the light poles...if you can.

[nebula]

59. Unless those light poles were 500 feet tall

the 'plane' could not have knocked them down at the angle of approach
claimed by Rick "the money launderer" Renzi.





though I suppose in the Wonderful World of OCT Wonderland, anything is possible.

:rofl:

[SDuderstadt]

61. You're getting more absurd by the moment, Nebula...

however, why should that surprise me?

[nebula]

69. The facts are absurd to

to the Kool-Aid drinkers.

But Rick Renzi is a paragon of virtue.

[SDuderstadt]

75. Look, Nebula...

No one is sayng that Renzi is a "paragon of virtue", but I have no idea what you think that has to do with his account of what he saw that morning. More importantly, hundreds of other people saw the plane hit the Pentagon. Try impeaching their testimony. We'll wait.

[nebula]

80. You just said you believe him

but Renzi's account is in direct contradiction to the official story,
which has the plane coming in at a level approach to the building.

So who do you believe? Have you made up your mind yet? The government's version, or Rep. Renzi's, who claims he witnessed the crash with his own eyes?

Come to think of it, since Renzi is still serving as a House representative from Arizona as a Republican, he IS part of the government, the various parts of which still seem to have difficulty getting their stories straight after all these years.

[SDuderstadt]

81. I'm done with you, Nebula

Obviously the "official story" doesn't claim that the airliner came in at a level approach for miles and you have no idea what Renzi is describing in terms of distance. Your theory is, frankly, silly.

[nebula]

82. Sorry, NO CIGAR.

Obviously, you aren't paying attention to what he said.
Renzi didn't say anything about the plane leveling out after the "dive bomb",
he said it dive-bombed immediately just before the explosion.


"It was like a suicide bomber but I'm not saying it was a bomb it was a plane. It came streaking down and HIT SHORT (of the roof)...and everything sprayed up, like a fireball sprayed up on the wall."

Here's another interview.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=R-eq6xbcMJQ





Try again, harder this time.

[SDuderstadt]

83. Ummm, no....

like I said before Nebula, I'm done with you. There's no reasoning with a "no-planer".

[nebula]

84. Run away like a coward

typical OCTer when failing to back up their empty claims.

[nebula]

85. What does it say about the OCT?

when your best Pentagon witness is a known habitual liar with a history of fraud and extortion?
You must be real proud to have him vouch for the gov't story, I'm sure!

The charges against Rep. Renzi include conspiracy, wire fraud, money laundering, concealment of money laundering, transactions with criminally derived funds, extortion, insurance fraud and criminal forfeiture.

Renzi, a three-term congressmen, already said he would not seek re-election. In the sweeping indictment, federal authorities charged Renzi with a host of charges connected to a land-swap arrangement Renzi tried to execute in Arizona. His initial court appearance is scheduled for March 6.

"Public corruption creates a cynicism for government and unfairly stains legions of honest public servants," Assistant Attorney General Alice S. Fisher said in a statement. "These charges represent allegations that Congressman Renzi defrauded the public of his unbiased, honest services as an elected official.

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331872,00.html

[SDuderstadt]

86. What a fucking stupid strawman, Nebula

Whoever said Renzi is our "best Pentagon witness" besides you? You seem to have forgotten. I don't debate "no-planers" on the grounds that it's fruitless. Bye bye!

[nebula]

87. Is your imagination running wild again?

Where does Renzi say anything about the plane leveling out before the impact?

[mhatrw]

96. Show us the photos.

Why is that too much to ask?

[mhatrw]

95. How about showing us the photos? n/t

[nebula]

52. "Dive bomber" Renzi

Renzi Indicted on federal fraud charges:

www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,331872,00.html



Boy they sure know how to pick 'em don't they?

:rofl:

[mhatrw]

94. Let's see that photo already.

This is beyond silly.

[Twist_U_Up]

100. Photo? One credible eye witness would be nice.

Renzi ?

[MarkyX]

9. Show me footage of men planting explosives in the Twin Towers

or one man planting bombs in WTC7.

It shouldn't be too hard if bombs were planted in the towers.

Photos will work too.

It has to show a recognizable explosive device though.

Videos or photos that just show blurs won't convince me that bombs were placed in the towers.

Thanks.

[SDuderstadt]

11. Great post....

Now if we can just get the "truthers" to subject their goofy claims to the same rigorous standards they demand of the "official story", we might get someplace.

[Ghost in the Machine]

14. So you're saying neither happened, right?

Or.. are you saying both happened?

By your (poor) argument, you're saying that just because there's no clear pictures of a plane hitting the pentagon it doesn't mean that it didn't happen. The same with explosives being planted in the towers... just because there's no pictures doesn't mean it didn't happen... right?

[wildbilln864]

55. are you trying to campare the WTCs with the Pentagon? nt

:banghead:

[mhatrw]

97. We are asking for photos that -- if your story is correct -- MUST exist.

You are asking for photos that -- if our suspicions are correct -- must NOT exist.

[SDuderstadt]

12. Ummm, freeze....there are upwards of hundreds of eyewitnesses...

that saw the plane hit the Pentagon. That's not remotely debatable. On top of that, why don't you think clear footage exists of it? Hint: think speed of airplane and speed of film/frames persecond. Duh.

[SidDithers]

13. freeze has left the building...

Sid

[Anarcho-Socialist]

15. I have a feeling that one was here before under many names

[SidDithers]

17. freeze has left the building, again?...

:evilgrin:

Sid

[nebula]

18. You mean like this witness?

a witness interviewed by NBC describes what hit the Pentagon
as "a 20-passenger corporate jet with no markings."



www.youtube.com/watch?v=qlJop6mV_sg

[SDuderstadt]

20. Okay, Nebula....

you have one guy describing it thusly and hundreds of other witnesses describing it as a commercial airliner. Who do you think is more likely to be right? BTW, I thought you claimed a missile hit the Pentagon. Are you now willing to concede it was a plane?

[nebula]

21. Not a plane

many missiles have wings, making them appear to look like a small aircraft.

see Global Hawk below.

and 100s of witnesses at the Pentagon have contradicted the official story.

including members of the Pentagon police force, a number of Pentagon employees including Lt. Col. Karen Kwiatkowski and specialist April Gallop, Jamie McIntyre of CNN, reporter Bob Pugh, Steve Chaconas, Robert Turcios working at the Citgo gas station nearby, to name a few.

[SDuderstadt]

22. 100's of witnesses?

I call bullshit. You named 6 and Jamie McIntyre specifically says a plane hit the Pentagon.

[nebula]

23. I just named 6 bona fide witnesses off the top of my head.

So much for your 'only 1 guy' bullshit.

[nebula]

25. No he didn't

"It might have appeared that way but from my close-up inspection,
there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere NEAR the Pentagon."

--Jamie McIntyre


www.youtube.com/watch?v=C02dE5VKeck

[SDuderstadt]

27. Nebula.....

Listen to what he's saying....he's saying that one didn't crash NEAR the Pentagon...before that he said that one crashed INTO the Pentagon. Either you can't read very well or you are being intentionally dishonest.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0109/11/bn.35.html


"Outside the Pentagon, CNN's military affairs correspondent Jamie McIntyre.

And, Jamie, you got very close to where that plane went down.

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Judy.

A short -- a while ago I walked right up next to the building, firefighters were still trying to put the blaze. The fire, by the way, is still burning in some parts of the Pentagon. And I took a look at the huge gaping hole that's in the side of the Pentagon in an area of the Pentagon that has been recently renovated, part of a multibillion dollar renovation program here at the Pentagon. I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building, very small pieces of the plane on the heliport outside the building. The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long, it was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane. I also saw a large piece of shattered glass. It appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane.

When this plane hit the Pentagon this morning, according to the Pentagon spokesman, Craig Quigley, the defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, incredibly is described as having run out of his office and down to actually help some of the victims onto stretchers until he was ushered into the National Military Command Center, the secure Nerve Center or War Room deep inside the Pentagon, where he remains at this time."

This part of the transcript is BEFORE the clipped quote you used. Your claim is obviously bullshit, Nebula, yet you keep rebunking it over and over. No wonder no one takes "truthers" seriously.

[nebula]

29. Did Jamie make that retraction

before or after he was threatened with the loss of his job?

Just curious.

[SDuderstadt]

30. Nebula....

it's not a fucking RETRACTION. It's from the same on air story and it occurs BEFORE he said what you're citing. READ the fucking thing. I'm getting tired of explaining it to you.

[nebula]

33. McIntyre later said it was an 'airplane'

but he didn't state what kind of airplane.

From JM's perspective, if it was an 'airplane' it must have been a very small one,
certainly no full-size airliner.

[SDuderstadt]

Jesus fucking Christ, Nebula...

he didn't later say it was an airplane. He said it RIGHT IN THE FUCKING FIRST PART OF THE STORY. I am not going to explain this over and over and over to you.




Outside the Pentagon, CNN's military affairs correspondent Jamie McIntyre.

And, Jamie, you got very close to where that plane went down.

JAMIE MCINTYRE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Judy.

A short -- a while ago I walked right up next to the building, firefighters were still trying to put the blaze. The fire, by the way, is still burning in some parts of the Pentagon. And I took a look at the huge gaping hole that's in the side of the Pentagon in an area of the Pentagon that has been recently renovated, part of a multibillion dollar renovation program here at the Pentagon. I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building, very small pieces of the plane on the heliport outside the building. The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long, it was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane. I also saw a large piece of shattered glass. It appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane.

When this plane hit the Pentagon this morning, according to the Pentagon spokesman, Craig Quigley, the defense secretary, Donald Rumsfeld, incredibly is described as having run out of his office and down to actually help some of the victims onto stretchers until he was ushered into the National Military Command Center, the secure Nerve Center or War Room deep inside the Pentagon, where he remains at this time.

Pentagon officials say he will stay for the time being. That is a place where all of U.S. intelligence comes in and he has complete command with his commanders around the world.

At the same time, the Pentagon has dispatched several warships out of port Norfolk, including the U.S. -- the carriers, USS George Washington and USS Kennedy. The sensible reason for that, the movement of those ships and their escort ships, is to move them from more vulnerable positions. But the Navy says they'll also head some of the aircraft carriers up toward New York with the idea that they may be able to render some kind of assistance there, given the magnitude of the tragedy there.

Back here, the fight goes on to put out the fire inside the Pentagon. The heat from that blaze was described as absolutely intense, and the number of casualties here has still not been released. Dozens of people were taken away in ambulances, and the Pentagon is still not releasing any figures on deaths. But clearly, people who had offices in that, what is now a huge gaping hole in the side of the Pentagon, clearly, there was some people killed in this tragedy -- Judy.

WOODRUFF: Jamie, Aaron was talking earlier -- or one of our correspondence was talking earlier -- I think -- actually, it was Bob Franken -- with an eyewitness who said it appeared that that Boeing 757, the American jet, American Airline jet, landed short of the Pentagon.

Can you give us any better idea of how much of the plane actually impacted the building?

MCINTYRE: You know, it might have appeared that way, but from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site is the actual site of the building that's crashed in, and as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around, which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.

Now, even though if you look at the pictures of the Pentagon you see that the floors have all collapsed; that didn't happen immediately. It wasn't until almost about 45 minutes later that the structure was weakened enough that all of the floors collapsed. WOODRUFF: And Jamie, this happened -- we are now able to reconstruct -- about 9:38 this morning. At that time, Jamie, what are we talking about, dozens, hundreds of people at work in the building?

[nebula]

38. Do you bother to read the stuff that you quote?

Obviously not.

Can you give us any better idea of how much of the plane actually impacted the building?

MCINTYRE: You know, it might have appeared that way, but from my close-up inspection, there's no evidence of a plane having crashed anywhere near the Pentagon. The only site is the actual site of the building that's crashed in, and as I said, the only pieces left that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand. There are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage, nothing like that anywhere around, which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the Pentagon and then caused the side to collapse.

[SDuderstadt]

49. Yeah, I do read it. Do you?

This is from the FIRST paragraph:

"I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building, very small pieces of the plane on the heliport outside the building. The biggest piece I saw was about three feet long, it was silver and had been painted green and red, but I could not see any identifying markings on the plane. I also saw a large piece of shattered glass. It appeared to be a cockpit windshield or other window from the plane."

I'm not going to keep explaining this to you. Taking one quote out of context seems to be a habit of yours.

[Bolo Boffin]

44. "I could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building..."

This is the part you should see, nebula. That's McIntyre on the day of the crash. He "could see parts of the airplane that crashed into the building."

The plane didn't crash NEAR the Pentagon. It crashed INTO the Pentagon. That is what McIntyre said.

[nebula]

50. Nice way of taking his quotes out of context. nt.

[SDuderstadt]

54. Exactly how is Bolo...

taking his quotes out of context. You're not trying to be unintentionally ironic again, are you?

[nebula]

58. How much of the Kool-Aid have you had to drink this morning?

more than the usual amount?

[SDuderstadt]

60. In other words, you can't answer the question....

so you divert with the silly "kool-aid" attempt at psychic foreclosure. Pathetic. If you can't answer the question, just say you can't answer the question and spare me your silly kool-aid comments.

[nebula]

67. Where exactly does JM refer to the 'plane' as being a full size commercial airliner?

Or are the voices in your head speaking to you again?

[AZCat]

70. What the heck do you mean by...

"full size commercial airliner"? Part 91, Part 121, Part 135? Please, be specific, and then please tell me why this is important.

[nebula]

71. Where in the transcript does JM

refer specifically to a Boeing airliner??

He doesn't. In fact, JM specifically states that from his close-up inspection, that there is no evidence of such.

But please, don't let that little inconvenient fact keep you from spinning until you are blue in the face.

[AZCat]

72. Boeing, as opposed to any other manufacturer?

Why is this so important? Are you able to identify on sight the manufacturer of various aircraft? If not, then why do you expect someone else to?

[nebula]

73. What kind of ridiculous question is that?

Have you ever considered applying for a job at Fox News?


AZCat--wind him up and watch him spin like a top.

[AZCat]

74. I wasn't the one...

who asked if he could identify a Boeing airliner. :eyes:



Fox News is not an engineering firm. Why would I want to work for them (or any Rupert Murdoch company)?

[SDuderstadt]

76. This is bullshit, Nebula....

He says there is no evidence of a plane crashing into the ground in front of the Pentagon, after he talks about the debris and wreckage from the plane crashing into the Pentagon. You are being silly, as usual.

[Bolo Boffin]

62. That is a factually inaccurate statement, nebula.

It is you that takes McIntyre's comments out of context so that you can pretend he's a witness to no plane hitting the Pentagon.

And it's rather transparent that you do so.

[Name removed]

63. Deleted message

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[Bolo Boffin]

65. LOL

This is why I rarely engage no-planers.

Nebula, you are ignoring what McIntyre said moments before your precious quote so that you can believe what you wish to believe. Anybody reading that transcript can see that. This conversation is over.

[nebula]

68. The voices in your head

tell them Rick Renzi said hello.

[Sweet Pea]

46. He can't read very well.

n/t

[wildbilln864]

56. Jamie McIntire is a liar!

And a documented one at that. :eyes:

[wildbilln864]

64. Please listen to the first 5 minutes of this audio...

link :hi:
McIntire lies.
Listen from 2:10 to 5:20.

"I had a camera with me. I took pictures of some of the wreckage. Some parts of the fuselage, part of the cockpit...." -Jamie McIntire on May 18th.

"the only pieces that you can see are small enough that you can pick up in your hand ...there are no large tail sections, wing sections, fuselage. Nothing like that anywhere around which would indicate that the entire plane crashed into the side of the pentagon..." -Jamie McIntire on September 11th 2001.

So where are those pictures he says he took?

[AZCat]

24. The Global Hawk is not a missile.

It is a U.A.V.

[nebula]

26. How hard do you think

it would be to load up a UAV with an explosive warhead?

it probably takes about 10 minutes, if that.

effectively turning the GH into a remote-controlled missile.

[AZCat]

28. Probably longer than you think.

It's not like you just strap one on. Besides - if you want a missile why wouldn't you just use a missile, rather than converting something else? There are plenty of remote-controlled missiles already available.

[nebula]

31. An ordinary missile

can't pass for an airplane.

but the GH is large enough with a good wingspan that people could mistake it for an airplane.

[AZCat]

32. Then why not just fly a fucking plane into the building?

If you want people to see a plane, use a goddamn plane. Problem solved.

[nebula]

34. Where are you going to find the kamikaze pilots?

maybe you would like to volunteer?

[AZCat]

35. Why do you need pilots?

Can't you rig the plane to be flown remotely?

[nebula]

37. A full size airliner ??

Sorry, NO.

methinks you have been watching too much TV.

[AZCat]

40. Apparently you have been oblivious during the past umpteen threads...

where it has been mentioned again and again, so I'll name it yet one more time: Controlled Impact Demonstration.

methinks you don't know jack about this. methinks you should read up on shit first before responding.

[AZCat]

36. Moreover, it's not like suicide bombers are hard to find.

The Japanese didn't have much trouble finding them during WWII, and there seem to be plenty in the world today. The difficulty would be finding ones who can fly an aircraft. Gosh, you might have to send them thru flight training!

[nebula]

39. Suicide pilots that are qualified to fly modern jumbo jets?

You think they grow on trees?

The alleged 9/11 pilots couldn't even handle a Cessna.

[AZCat]

41. Again you prove...

that you don't know jack shit. Why don't you read up on this, rather than perusing CT web sites? I'd particularly avoid killtown and spooked's sites - they have horrific perspectives of "the truth".

[nebula]

42. Keep drinking the Kool-Aid. n/t.

[Sweet Pea]

45. More military aeronautical brilliance from nebs

Along the lines of: "Transponders don't have an on-off switch!!!! Why would ANYONE want to turn one OFF!"

Yo Nebs! Don't give up your day job and become a military aeronautical expert!

[nebula]

19. Small, white corporate jet?

a Global Hawk could be easily mistaken for one.

[mhatrw]

98. Let's see any and all footage, then.

Why is that too much to ask?

[Ordr]

16. Show me that gravity exists.

[wildbilln864]

57. That's easy to verify!

Guess, you didn't know! :eyes:

[Rosa Luxemburg]

66. you wouldn't see it because it never left the airport!

there's your answer

[SDuderstadt]

77. Jesus, this is stupid

Then how did the remains of the passengers get into the Pentagon?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

78. you would believe anything

flight 77 did not take off, period.

[LARED]

79. you would believe anything

I irony of you saying that is just remarkable.

[Name removed]

88. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[SDuderstadt]

89. And there is plenty of evidence that one did...

Why would it surprise you that of the hundreds of people that witnessed the airliner plow into the Pentagon, no one was filming the Pentagon nor did anyone have the presence of mind to pull out their camera and take a picture? The critical factor here would have been the very fast speed of the airliner as it approached and hit the Pentagon. See below:

http://www.911myths.com/html/pentagon.html

[Laurier]

90. It's more amazing that anyone would expect...

It's more amazing that anyone would expect a security camera to pick up a clear, high resolution video or still photograph of a jetliner travelling at several hundred hours during the nanosecond that such an aircraft could have passed by the security camera's range.

It's more amazing that a certain tiny proportion of the population (they call themselves "truthers") is content to willfully ignore the overwhelming evidence that clearly establishes the crash of flight 77 into the Pentagon and pretend that in the absence of a clear high resolution video, it just didn't happen.

It's also more amazing that you think you're fooling anyone.

[mhatrw]

99. What's far more amazing is that YOU are arguing for the government

to withhold evidence it clearly must possess from the public. Why?

[AZCat]

103. Assuming that the government does indeed have what you claim...

why do you think you have the right to see it?

[nebula]

91. Videos were released, but show NO PLANE

Mind you, these videos were made public only after lawsuits
against the FBI forced their releases. What were they attempting to hide?



Doubletree Hotel video (explosion, but no plane)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=OAgYVJ1jKZ0


Pentagon video (explosion, but no plane)
www.youtube.com/watch?v=1HCSnuwIwB0

[Laurier]

92. Stationary camera, 400+ mph airplane

What on earth would you expect it to show other than what it did show?

Seriously.

[planesmyarse]

93. Don't hold your breath. No plane crashed there.

Everybody deep down knows.

All you have to do is look at the photo you posted and ask yourself if you didn't know what the govt said caused that damage, what looks to have caused the damage. Certainly not a plane.

[SidDithers]

101. Well, you lasted 7 posts. Better luck next time...nt

Sid

[nebula]

102. Former aircraft accident investigator says official story is absurd.

Col. George Nelson, MBA, U.S. Air Force (ret) – Former U.S. Air Force aircraft accident investigator and airplane parts authority. Graduate, U.S. Air Force War College. 34-year Air Force career. Licensed commercial pilot. Licensed airframe and powerplant mechanic.

* Essay: "In all my years of direct and indirect participation, I never witnessed nor even heard of an aircraft loss, where the wreckage was accessible, that prevented investigators from finding enough hard evidence to positively identify the make, model, and specific registration number of the aircraft -- and in most cases the precise cause of the accident. ...

The government alleges that four wide-body airliners crashed on the morning of September 11 2001, resulting in the deaths of more than 3,000 human beings, yet not one piece of hard aircraft evidence has been produced in an attempt to positively identify any of the four aircraft. On the contrary, it seems only that all potential evidence was deliberately kept hidden from public view. …

With all the evidence readily available at the Pentagon crash site, any unbiased rational investigator could only conclude that a Boeing 757 did not fly into the Pentagon as alleged. Similarly, with all the evidence available at the Pennsylvania crash site, it was most doubtful that a passenger airliner caused the obvious hole in the ground and certainly not the Boeing 757 as alleged. …

As painful and heartbreaking as was the loss of innocent lives and the lingering health problems of thousands more, a most troublesome and nightmarish probability remains that so many Americans appear to be involved in the most heinous conspiracy in our country's history."

http://patriotsquestion911.com/#Nelson