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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-16-08 07:14 PM
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The Assassination of MLK Jr as a Covert Operation
I've been reading the William Pepper book “Orders to Kill: The Truth Behind the Murder of Martin Luther King”-- summarized here:
http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2008/04/ultimate-truth-of-assassination-of-rev.html

What strikes me is how incredibly complicated the whole operation was!

You might think if the regime wanted to kill someone, they would just hire a professional hitman to shoot the person at some favorable location for a killing, and that would be it. The gunman would get away, and no one would ever find him.

But no!

For MLK Jr, it was an amazing assembly of many different intertwined operations, involving multiple federal government agencies (FBI, NSA, CIA, Army), local law enforcement (Memphis police), non-government groups (Mafia) and apparently private citizens as well. There were easily dozens of people involved -- just to kill this one man!

There was of course, the patsy: James Earl Ray.

But there was also the set-up-- getting MLK Jr to the right place, getting his normal police protection away from him, getting certain police and fire units out of the way, getting the killer and accomplices into place, setting up a decoy chase to lure the police the wrong way, setting-up and framing Ray (which was a very extensive operation), and altering the crime scene to mislead people about where the shots came from, etc.

All in all, it is simply amazing how complex the job was-- by choice, by the regime!

If you think about 9/11, about how complicated of a covert operation it seemed to be-- this all fits with what we know about the killing of MLK Jr.

9/11 was a much larger, grander operation, and thus obviously needed to be more complex. Well, we have clear precedent of how fiendishly detailed these covert operations can be -- and how they can be done without anyone breaking silence for years.

http://covertoperations.blogspot.com/2008/10/assassination-of-mlk-jr-as-covert.html


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balantz Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 02:22 AM
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1. Perhaps "they" wanted to make sure everyone was involved with bloody fingers
so no one agency could be framed by another? Makes for safer business partners for the next forty years of covert coup operations.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 06:15 AM
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2. yes-- good point
it is a set-up that has worked well for them over the years
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Oct-17-08 07:37 AM
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3. If I understand you correctly
You believe there was a highly complex covert operation to assassinate MLK. And because of this your belief that 9/11 was a highly complex covert operation is more valid.

You do realize this is a lot like saying "I believe little green men rearranged my sock draw 20 years ago, so I now have established my belief that different little green men rearranged my underwear draw last week is validated"

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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 12:07 PM
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4. I don't just "believe" it. It is a fact.
Edited on Thu Oct-23-08 12:40 PM by spooked911
You should read the Pepper books--
http://www.amazon.com/Orders-Kill-Behind-Murder-Martin/dp/0446673943/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1224783542&sr=1-3
http://www.amazon.com/Act-State-Execution-Martin-Luther/dp/1859846955/ref=pd_sim_b_1

But basically, the conspiracy was proven in court--

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Luther_King_assassination


In 1999, Coretta Scott King, King's widow, along with the rest of King's family, won a wrongful death civil trial against Loyd Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators". Jowers claimed to have received $100,000 to arrange King's assassination. The jury of six whites and six blacks found Jowers liable and that "governmental agencies were parties" to the assassination plot.<31> William F. Pepper represented the King family in the trial.<32><33><34>


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Loyd_Jowers

Loyd Jowers (1927 – May 20, 2000) was the owner of a restaurant (Jim's Grill) near the Lorraine Motel in Memphis, where Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. was assassinated in 1968. In December 1993, Jowers appeared in ABC's Prime Time Live and related the details of an alleged conspiracy involving the Mafia and the U.S. government to kill King. According to Jowers, James Earl Ray was a scapegoat, and not involved in the assassination. Jowers believes that Memphis police officer Earl Clark fired the fatal shots.
In 1998, the King family filed a wrongful death lawsuit against Jowers and "other unknown co-conspirators" for the murder of King. A Memphis jury found Jowers responsible in December 8, 1999 and that the assassination plot contained also "governmental agencies."
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duphase Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:00 PM
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15. One or more men dressed as police officers are believed
to have been shooters in JFK's murder. In fact, "Badge Man" is how one of them is commonly described. Josiah Thompson (author of "Six Seconds in Dallas" and Gary Mack, head of the 6th Floor Museum in Dallas, are credited with identifying "Badge Man" in one or more photos taken that day. He was in the Grassy Knoll area and I believe, if my memory is correct, that Mr. Jowers (who was up in the railroad yard tower) saw him briefly, but didn't see him fire a gun.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 08:29 PM
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16. Dude...
Edited on Wed Jan-20-10 08:32 PM by SDuderstadt
one of the claims about "Badgeman" is that witnesses saw a puff of smoke coming from the fenceline. The only problem is when Oliver Stone tried to recreate this scenario, he couldn't find a rifle that emitted smoke when fired, so the smoke had to be created by a special effects man. Are you now claiming JFK was shot with a muzzle loader?

More importantly, several studies, including Dale Meyer's, have shown that for the "image" that witnesses claim is "badgeman" firing, the "man", if of average height, would have had to be 32 feet behind the fence and elevated 4.5 feet off the ground, dude. It's also funny that you credit Gary Mack, inasmuch as he is one of the people who has debunked this silly notion. Did you know that?Please quit embarrassing DU with your silliness.

http://www.jfkfiles.com/jfk/html/badgeman.htm
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HamdenRice Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Oct-23-08 04:16 PM
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5. I no longer believe the "lone gunman" theory of King's assassination
Edited on Thu Oct-23-08 04:29 PM by HamdenRice
It's somewhat ironic that it has generally been more acceptable and widespread to doubt the official JFK assassination theory than the official MLK and RFK assassination theories.

But the MLK official story is perhaps the flimsiest and most preposterous of them all. The idea that a two bit thug like Ray who had never been out of the country except for a louche trip to Mexico (indeed had rarely been out of jail) managed to flee to Canada and London with passage arranged to apartheid era Southern Africa without assistance is just plain silly.
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:02 AM
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6. no doubt-- and if you read the Pepper books
(which have tons of detail but are somewhat tedious), you'll see there is no doubt it was an extensive conspiracy
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duphase Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 09:49 PM
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17. When you study the evidence, think about it, and apply a little

common sense (as you did regarding JERay), you realize that the official accounts of JFK, MLK, RFK, Malcolm, GWallace, very possibly Reagan et al. really are preposterous. I would add WTC 93, Okla. City, Ruby Ridge, 9/11, Anthrax etc. to the list of preposterous official accounts. There are plenty that I've left out (e.g. Ft. Hood, Underpants Man etc.).
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Oct-25-08 11:29 AM
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7. "What strikes me is how incredibly complicated the whole operation was!"
:eyes:
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 07:35 AM
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8. so?
have you read either of the Pepper books yet?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 11:07 AM
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9. Using one needlessly complex unfalsifiable CT to prove the likelihood of another
needlessly complex, unfalsifiable CT = FAIL, madness, :eyes:
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-08-08 03:29 PM
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10. The CIA sent one of their own to represent JER
Edited on Mon Dec-08-08 03:34 PM by MinM
Upon Ray's arrest in London.




The King Assassination and CNN Disinformation by Dr. William F. Pepper
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=103x368083
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spooked911 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 07:55 AM
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11. kick
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duphase Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-18-10 10:42 AM
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12. Isn't "complex" a more telling way of putting it, rather than "complicated"?
Edited on Mon Jan-18-10 10:43 AM by duphase
When it comes to covert operations, "complex" seems to always be a key element in the plans. I think that's because there are more
objectives to be accomplished than the mere obvious taking out of someone, whether it's JFK, RFK, Malcolm X, Georgi Markov, Nino Aquino, Colosio (candidate for President of Mexico), MLK, Bhutto (father/daughter, possibly her brother), Indira Ghandi, and so many
others.

There is always the need for a 2nd conspiracy in covert operations: the cover-up. THAT goes a long way towards explaining what
makes them complex. Look at the Anthrax case. The list is too long and my memory is too short, but thoughtful people get my point.
Complexity allows for the public to believe many different things or anything. The perps don't care what people BELIEVE. As long as the public KNOWS nothing. The use of doubles in every part of a covert operation is crucial...for many reasons. Get curious and snoopy people to chase dead ends and focus on irrelevant aspects and people (including fake people/SIMS). Conspiracy theories are definitely encouraged and that partly explains why some things are done in covert operations. It's easy to ridicule conspiracy
investigations, investigators, and even people who are foolish enough to talk about them in polite conversation. So one of the objectives of a covert operation is to carry out a mission in such a way as to allow for and even encourage speculation about it having been "some kind of conspiracy, or something."

And, yes, of course they're done without anyone breaking silence, just as you said. Careers are usually at stake, and so are life and limb for the perps and their families. Retirement often is close at hand and no one can be blamed for wanting the relatively comfortable life of a retired patriot or "patriot". It happens probably millions of times a day...on a worldwide basis. Not only in government, but also in business and every other sector of life.
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duphase Donating Member (93 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:19 AM
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13. "how they can be done without anyone breaking silence for years."

Which is one good reason why, although criminal conspiracies are a dime a dozen 24/7, most never get exposed and prosecuted.


Conspiracy is a crime, not a theory.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Jan-20-10 10:29 AM
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14. And conspiracies have actual evidence for them...
unlike your goofy "fake planes" conspiracy theory bullshit, dude.
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