Have you ever seen a photograph of "Salman Rushdie"?

[Boojatta]

Is it possible that Palin has been using "Salman Rushdie" as her pen name since she began writing and that, upon the occasion when she first got a piece of her writing published, she hired the man who is now known internationally as "Salman Rushdie" to be her walking and talking full-body-pseudonym?

[greyl]

1. 1. Yes. 2. No. nt

[wildbilln864]

2. this is not September 11th material!! nt

[greyl]

3. Be equitable. 90% of your posts in here have nothing to do with the reality of 9/11. nt

[wildbilln864]

5. your reality, you mean!

and your opinion.

[greyl]

9. I don't want to try to enter a deep epistemological discussion with you, but

how is ":hi:" relevant to the reality of 9/11?

[William Seger]

11. Thanks for posting that

:hi:

[Boojatta]

4. If several networks of assassins and terrorists are confident that...

the man who is known as "Salman Rushdie" didn't actually write The Satanic Verses then:

1. Perhaps this explains why they don't try very hard to kill citizens of the UK. The man who is known as "Salman Rushdie" is a citizen of the UK, but Palin is American.

2. Perhaps this explains why they haven't killed the man who is known as "Salman Rushdie." Perhaps the most technically sophisticated assassins and terrorists believe that the man who is known as "Salman Rushdie" didn't actually write The Satanic Verses.

[William Seger]

6. According to Wikipedia, Palin was 11 years old when Rushdie's first novel was published

... in 1975. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salman_Rushdie

Palin was born in 1964: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarah_Palin

Given that even now, she can't speak in coherent sentences without a speech writer, what exactly is the source of this "theory?"

[seemslikeadream]

7. Racism is alive and well with out the help of Sarah

The ignorant pens and the minds responsible for them

[greyl]

8. "Muslim" isn't a race.

Fanatical fundamentalist Islamacists do not represent most Muslims.

[seemslikeadream]

10. Where they cut off your ear, If they don't like your face, It's barbaric, but hey, it's home

Have you seen this movie? Please substitute any other race on the face of the earth and tell me there would not have been outrage over it, my God they took Imus off the air for "nappy headed hoes" but NOT for this.


MEDIA BIGOT OF THE YEAR: MSNBC and radio host Don Imus

On his Nov. 12 show, the day after Palestinian leader Yassir Arafat died, Imus said of Palestinians: "They're eating dirt and that fat pig wife of his is living in Paris." After an Imus colleague referred to Palestinians as "stinking animals" and said "they ought to drop the bomb right there, kill 'em all right now," Imus responded: "Well, the problem is we have (NBC reporter) Andrea (Mitchell) there; we don't want anything to happen to her." In February, when a civilian Iranian airliner crashed, killing 43 people, Imus reacted: "When I hear stories like that, I think 'Who cares?'" So much for showing the Islamic world we don't see all Muslims as enemies.
http://www.alternet.org/mediaculture/20714/



This movie was made for our children and grandchildren remember that

I give you the opening song for the movie Aladdin
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEGlJP4X4vc

Oh I come from a land, from a faraway place
Where the caravan camels roam
Where it's flat and immense
And the heat is intense
It's barbaric, but hey, it's home



Original first verse 1992-93
Oh I come from a land, from a faraway place
Where the caravan camels roam
Where they cut off your ear
If they don't like your face
It's barbaric, but hey, it's home

When the wind's from the east
And the sun's from the west
And the sand in the glass is right
Come on down
Stop on by
Hop a carpet and fly
To another Arabian night

Arabian nights
Like Arabian days
More often than not
Are hotter than hot
In a lot of good ways

Arabian nights
'Neath Arabian moons
A fool off his guard
Could fall and fall hard
Out there on the dunes

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ltcMueAFEl0



But it moves way beyond one song

Do you know the penalty is for stealing?








oh and don't forget who Disney is

[greyl]

12. That doesn't follow. I think it might be impossible to have a conversation with you.

Seriously, Muslim isn't a race.

[seemslikeadream]

13. I never said it was but

is it not extremely interesting how people can confuse or be confused about such a foreign "thing"


Why are you always worried about the small stuff?




Once a man worries, he clings to anything out of desperation; and once he clings he is bound to get exhausted or to exhaust whomever or whatever he is clinging to. A warrior-hunter, on the other hand, knows he will lure game into his traps over and over again, so he doesn't worry.


Carlos Castaneda

[greyl]

14. Your post implied it was. It also showed ignorance of the freedom of speech issue

championed by the artists who did those cartoons. (Most of them, anyhow - there are a couple there that may be from a different situation.
Plus, this isn't the first time you've posted something that hints at you not knowing the difference between Arab & Muslim.

That isn't small stuff, and your suggestion that it is is offensive.

[seemslikeadream]

15. No you seem to be using tactics similar to........

well let's just say I've seen before


and btw

"Your post implied it was"


well that was your interpretation wasn't it now, we are what we perceive?







Worry is a complete circle of inefficient thought whirling about a pivot of fear. To avoid it, consider whether the problem in hand is your business. If it is not, turn to something that is. If it is your business, decide if it is your business now. If so, decide what is best to be done about it. If you know, get busy. If you don't know, find out promptly. Do these things; then rest your case on the determination that, no matter how hard things may turn out to be, you will make the best of them - and more than that no man can do.

Dr. Austen Fox Riggs

[greyl]

16. Words have meaning. Adios. nt

[seemslikeadream]

17. Words have meaning EXACTLY EXACTLY

Thank you for proving my point

[seemslikeadream]

29. The definition of xen-o-phobe

xen·o·phobe (zn-fb, zn-)
n.
A person unduly fearful or contemptuous of that which is foreign, especially of strangers or foreign peoples



Don't tell me to use this fuckin' word. It is NOT at all what my intention is, stop trying to put words in my mouth to change the meaning of what I am posting

[greyl]

31. That which is foreign or strange. See "strangers" in your definition?

It applies to contempt for things and people that are different from oneself. Furthermore, foreign doesn't only mean "from a different country". Xenophopia doesn't only apply to national borders at all. It applies to all manner of demographics and categories.
Michele Malkin's hate of Marilyn Manson can be described as xenophobia, for example.

"an unreasonable fear or hatred of foreigners or strangers or of that which is foreign or strange."
"An unreasonable fear, distrust, or hatred of strangers, foreigners, or anything perceived as foreign or different."
"Fear and contempt of strangers or foreign peoples."

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/xenophobia

[seemslikeadream]

32. I know thanks for repeating that

[greyl]

33. You're welcome.

I hope you can agree that your locked thread (palin, arabs, & muslims) from last week wouldn't have been so misunderstood or inflammatory if you had utilized the word xenophobia in your OP.

[seemslikeadream]

34. QUIT TELLING ME WHAT WORDS TO USE

[greyl]

35. Hey, you can allow me to have HOPE, can't you? Damn. nt

[seemslikeadream]

37. It really warms my heart to know I bother you so vey much

[greyl]

41. What a nice heart you have. nt

[seemslikeadream]

42. Why yes I do as a matter of fact

I know myself very well as opposed to you who can only guess, this time you got it right

[HamdenRice]

19. Ah yes, the return of the strategic nitpick based on false premises

"Muslim" isn't a race, but then again, neither is "African American" yet people who discriminate against us are often called "racists." Gypsies aren't a race either, yet in Europe, discrimination against the Roma people is widely considered to be "racist."

In fact, one of the most important advances in genetic anthropology of the last century was the elucidation of the idea that there is more genetic diversity within races than between them, which supports the evolution of the social science insight that "races" are largely social-historical constructs, not rigid biological categories.

So while "Muslim" is a religion, the images that SLAD produced appear to most truly progressive and critical thinkers as "racist." "Racism" against Muslims tends to equate "Muslim" with Arab, and my guess is that you are probably one of very, very few DUers who would disagree with the statement that Hollywood has depicted Arabs and Muslims in a racist way.

[greyl]

20. Yeah, welcome back. I think the term you & SLAD are struggling for is "xenophobia".

Thanks for agreeing with me, but you can leave out the superfluous pedantics next time.

[seemslikeadream]

22. and thank YOU so much for PROVING my point

I knew you could

[HamdenRice]

23. Nope, once again you are just plain wrong

Almost anyone else on the planet who considers himself/herself progressive would call those images "racist" not xenophobic.

Anyhoo, if you're such a stickler on diction/word usage, what makes you think that all "Muslims" are foreigners? Xenophobia is fear of foreigners, not fear of a particular religion. Aren't some of the racists afraid of "homegrown terrorists"?

How can you be such a strategic nitpicker on diction, when you use words so sloppily yourself?

[seemslikeadream]

24. Do you think this kid even have any clue what xenophobic means?

What a fancy shamcy new name all those letters even an X!

[HamdenRice]

25. Apparently he has hardly a clue!

But you're right -- it's a very big word that starts with an "X"!!!

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[seemslikeadream]

27. Words have meaning.

or so I've been told

I'm sure this kid is thinking they're all xenophobes doing this to my family

[greyl]

38. Do you think he was thinking racists did it?

Why do you think he isn't familiar with xenophobia?

Was his home destroyed because of a fight over resources, power, religion, or race? Or - maybe - a bit of all of those?

In reality, things can be complicated.

[seemslikeadream]

39. In reality, things can be complicated

I'm so glad you finally figured that out, what took you so long? I've been waiting forever

[greyl]

26. Oh, brother.

Copy & paste my "wrong" statement in your reply to this. Try to avoid inserting straw arguments.

[HamdenRice]

28. Okey Dokey!

"I think the term you & SLAD are struggling for is "xenophobia""

So if you must have your incorrect answer copied and pasted, here it is.

Once again, the we are not "struggling" for the term, "xenophobia" because that term is utterly inapplicable.

[greyl]

30. Uh huh.

Fact is, xenophobia better describes what you're talking about because it includes racism & religious bigotry. "Almost anyone else on the planet", if they were being honest, would agree with me.

Btw, the Danish cartoons offended some Muslims because they were seen as blasphemous; a word that has everything to with religion and nothing to do with ethnicity.

[HamdenRice]

36. Wrong again! "xenophobia ... includes racism & religious bigotry" - huh???

What did you wake up and smoke today?

A White Anglo Saxon Protestant American can be xenophobic against a Protestant British immigrant. Xenophobia does not "include" racism or religious bigotry. Xenophobia is ... well, xenophobia -- fear of foreigners. Some foreigners are brown or Muslim, but xenophobia is fear of foreigners, not fear of brown people or Muslims.

Now put the pipe down and step away from the keyboard, head to your bookshelf and take down the Websters, NOW!

[greyl]

40. "Webster's", you say?

You have a problem with The American Heritage® New Dictionary of Cultural Literacy, Third Edition, or The American Heritage® Dictionary of the English Language, Fourth Edition from which I already quoted? Odd.

So fine, here's Webster's definition:

"fear and hatred of strangers or foreigners or of anything that is strange or foreign"
www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/xenophobia

Cut the bullshit, please.

[HamdenRice]

43. "Bullshit" is not an argument

but I notice it is a verbal crutch you often rely on when you are proven wrong -- as this definition in your own post shows.

[greyl]

44. Wow. Your post is divorced from reality in a serious way.

See ya.

[HamdenRice]

45. Ah, yes. I remember that one, too: "divorced from reality"

another rhetorical tick or habit used by various character who can never, ever admit they're wrong, even when their own subsequent posts reveal them to be wrong.

What's next? "Tin foil hat"? "Woo woo"?

So many meaningless smokescreen words; so many losing arguments.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[seemslikeadream]

21. Silly HamdenRice we are just using the wrong WORD

We are only to use previously approved words BY OTHERS to express OUR thoughts


BTW it's because I spelled all my words correctly this time so he had to go after something else

[HamdenRice]

46. DU has coined a new term for users of "strategic irrelevant nitpick" --->

A new synonym is "protocol droid"!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=389&topic_id=4268997#4269576

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Do these people realize how preposterous they look to "normal" people?

[seemslikeadream]

47. I really don't think so, shall I hold up a mirror?

[victordrazen]

18. wtf? eom.

[Boojatta]

48. Kick

[Boojatta]

49. Kick, because I just realized that I haven't had a chance to see

Sarah Palin's authentic birth certificate.

[Boojatta]

50. Kick

[MrMickeysMom]

51. Sarah Palin's birth certificate...

Here: http://www.flickr.com/photos/51378257@N00/2328393218