TURLEY: "STRANGE ALLIANCE" Between BUSH & Alleged 9/11 MASTERMIND

[seemslikeadream]

WHAT THEY SAID


http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=389x4616718


kpete (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 10:21 AM

Original message

TURLEY: "STRANGE ALLIANCE" Between BUSH & Alleged 9/11 MASTERMIND

Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 10:24 AM by kpete

Turley: 'Strange alliance' between Bush and alleged 9/11 mastermind
David Edwards and Muriel Kane
Published: Tuesday December 9, 2008

Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, often described as the mastermind of 9/11, and four other prisoners held at Guantanamo Bay told a military judge on Monday that they wish to plead guilty to all charges.

Law professor Jonathan Turley sees this confession as a "strange alliance" between Mohammed and George W. Bush, where both men get what they want -- martyrdom in Mohammed's case and vindication in Bush's -- and President-elect Barack Obama is stuck in the middle with a dilemma on his hands.

...................

"Could it be that they want to beat the clock?" Maddow asked. "They want to make sure they are convicted, and probably executed, under Bush's tribunal system because that feels more like martyrdom to them than risking going into an actual non-kangaroo court trial in a real legal system?"

....................

"What Khalid Sheikh Mohammed just did is to hand George Bush a considerable victory," Turley replied. "We were very close in his case to addressing the fact that he was tortured and ... that his case was put in the spotlight on the gross unfairness of the Bush tribunal system. And he essentially took all that off the table and saved the Bush administration the need to answer to those charges.
more at:
http://rawstory.com/news/2008/Turley_Strange_alliance_b...






And AQ KHan 'turned himself in' Feb2004 when it was apparent Kerry was the Dem nominee. He was let blm Dec-09-08 10:30 AM #1

Paul Thompson questions the official version of KSM's capture. robertpaulsen Dec-09-08 12:41 PM #2

Yep - I don't know how anyone can read a timeline on all these characters/events and still maintain blm Dec-09-08 04:39 PM #4

He wrote the real 9/11 Report. robertpaulsen Dec-09-08 05:35 PM #5
Because Bush insisted investigation START at 1998 and Clintonites agreed knowing full well blm Dec-09-08 05:54 PM #6

Perhaps the whole thing is a phony story cooked up by * Gang formercia Dec-09-08 01:28 PM #3
After being repeatedly waterboarded, KSM isn't competent to conduct his own case leveymg Dec-10-08 05:57 AM #7

blm (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 10:30 AM
Response to Original message
1. And AQ KHan 'turned himself in' Feb2004 when it was apparent Kerry was the Dem nominee. He was let
go in 2006 after serving in luxury surroundings.

BushInc and their longtime BFEE operative and BCCI thug, Khan, didn't want Khan to gain any traction as an issue during the 2004 campaign. Bush had to LOOK like he was reining in global terrorists that Clinton ignored during his terms. And the corpmedia was behind Bush's imagery 100% back then.

BushInc has been behind most of the global terror networks since the late 70s. They have ALWAYS had an alliance with the ir alleged terrorist targets.
"Somebody posts factually inaccurate information? The answer is simple: Post a response and set the record straight." Skinner, 5-8-2007


robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 12:41 PM

Response to Reply #1

2. Paul Thompson questions the official version of KSM's capture.
The "Capture" Of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed

Is there more to the capture of Khalid Shaikh Mohammed than meets the eye?
by Paul Thompson
March 4, 2003

Was Mohammed Actually Arrested in Rawalpindi?

One doesn't have to dig deep to find contradictions to the standard story of Mohammed's arrest. The Guardian article, "Raided Family of Microbiologist Denies Official Version of al-Qaeda Arrests," details what witnesses saw when the police came. (Guardian, 3/3/03 (B)) The family in the house claims that at 3 a.m., around 20 to 25 armed police and intelligence officers kicked open the door and burst into the house. "They dragged away Ahmed and held his wife and children at gunpoint for an hour as they ransacked the house" Amed's sister Qudsia told the Guardian of London. "They left clothes and books strewn on the floor and took a bundle of dollar bills which were locked in a cupboard. The bedrooms were turned upside down, one door upstairs was broken and they took the new computer." The newspaper explained that id. At no point, the family say, was Mohammed or any other man in the house. The agents did not even ask about them. 'The only people in the house were my brother, his wife and their kids,' Qudsia said. 'I have absolutely no idea why the police came here.'" (Guardian, 3/3/03 (B)) The brother, Omar Qudoos, gave a similar account. He added that there also was a guard outside. "The police pounded on the gate and then they rushed through. There was some firing, but no one was hurt and then they beat the guard and broke the lock on the front door." (AP, 3/2/03) Other articles reported roughly the same account. (AP, 3/2/03 (B), Australian Broadcasting Corp., 3/2/03, New York Times, 3/3/03)

snip

Mohammed Had Already Been Killed

"Afterward, and still, Karachi was thick with rumor. Mohammed was dead, was captured, was there and got away, was there and was allowed to get away." (Los Angeles Times, 12/22/02) And the Asia Times claimed Mohammed was killed. They reported the FBI together with Inter-Services Intelligence, or the ISI, Pakistan's notorious intelligence agency, conducted a raid aimed at capturing Mohammed alive. "However, despite instructions to the contrary, a few Pakistan Rangers entered the flat, where they found Shaikh Mohammed and another man, allegedly with their hands up. The Rangers nevertheless opened fire on the pair. ... Later, the Pakistani press carried pictures of a message scrawled in blood on the wall of the flat, proclaiming the Muslim refrain of Kalma, in Arabic: 'There is no God except Allah, Mohammed is his messenger'). An official who was present in the flat at the time of the shooting has told Asia Times Online that the message was written by Shaikh Mohammed with his own blood as his life drained from him." His wife and two children, captured in the raid, confirmed his identity. (Asia Times, 10/30/02) An Australian newspaper repeated the view that he was killed, and added, "Some reports went so far as to suggest his wife and son had identified his body and buried him under the watchful eye of the FBI." (Daily Telegraph, 3/4/03)

snip

Or Was He Captured Then?

It was reported that, near the end of the shoot-out, "Within minutes, a burly, curly haired man was brought out with his entire face covered by a blindfold. Hundreds of policemen fired off volleys of gunfire to celebrate his capture. The final gunman was captured shortly afterward." (AP, 9/16/02) Certainly Mohammed is a burly, curly haired man. Other reports suggest that police came "within moments" of capturing Mohammed, as one senior US investigator put it, his two children being left behind. (Los Angeles Times, 12/22/02) It has also been suggested he was shot and wounded by a police sniper as he narrowly escaped. (Australian Broadcasting Corp., 3/2/03)

Or Was He Captured Months Before?

A few days before this shoot-out, a number of articles in the Pakistani and Indian press suggested that Khalid Shaikh Mohammed was actually captured on June 16, 2002. Supposedly he was then sent to the US, though the US and Pakistan deny the reports. (Daily Times, 9/9/02, Times of India, 9/9/02, Economic Times, 9/10/02) This month was also the month Al Jazeera reporter Yosri Fouda says he had a secret interview in Karachi with Ramzi bin al-Shibh and Khalid Shaikh Mohammed (though one account says it took place two months later) (Guardian, 9/9/02) (Sunday Times, 9/8/02). Could both of these men have been captured or killed before the famous interview, thus allowing US intelligence to put any words they desired into their mouths? The interviews were "the first full admission by senior figures from Bin Laden's network that they carried out the September 11 attacks." (Sunday Times, 9/8/02) The Financial Times, hardly purveyors of conspiracy theory, reported on Fouda's interview, "Analysts cited the crude editing of the tapes and the timing of the broadcasts as reasons to be suspicious about their authenticity. Dia Rashwan, an expert on Islamist movements at the Al-Ahram Centre for Strategic Studies in Cairo, said: 'I have very serious doubts (about the authenticity of this tape). It could have been a script written by the FBI.'" (Financial Times, 9/11/02)

more...

http://www.scoop.co.nz/stories/HL0303/S00027.htm


CHENEY MUST BE IMPEACHED! Read the 1st and 2nd editions of American Judas at: http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/


blm (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 04:39 PM

Response to Reply #2

4. Yep - I don't know how anyone can read a timeline on all these characters/events and still maintain

Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 04:47 PM by blm

all of this is just conspiracy. Thompson's work on this has been a great boon to those of us who've been watching this sick, fascist agenda being rolled out over the decades.
"Somebody posts factually inaccurate information? The answer is simple: Post a response and set the record straight." Skinner, 5-8-2007


robertpaulsen (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 05:35 PM

Response to Reply #4

5. He wrote the real 9/11 Report.
You read his research, then read the Zelikow Omission Report. Almost like two different crimes being reported entirely.
CHENEY MUST BE IMPEACHED! Read the 1st and 2nd editions of American Judas at: http://americanjudas.blogspot.com/


blm (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 05:54 PM

Response to Reply #5

6. Because Bush insisted investigation START at 1998 and Clintonites agreed knowing full well
that the whole story started decades earlier, much of it occurring in the 70s and especially the 80s, and continuing throughout the 90s.
"Somebody posts factually inaccurate information? The answer is simple: Post a response and set the record straight." Skinner, 5-8-2007


formercia (1000+ posts) Tue Dec-09-08 01:28 PM

Response to Original message

3. Perhaps the whole thing is a phony story cooked up by * Gang
Edited on Tue Dec-09-08 01:29 PM by formercia
to vindicate Junior. They supposedly confess, Junior has them shot. End of story. That is, if they're not already dead or never existed in the first place.
Emancipate yourselves from mental slavery; None but ourselves can free our minds. Bob Marley


leveymg (1000+ posts) Wed Dec-10-08 05:57 AM

Response to Original message

7. After being repeatedly waterboarded, KSM isn't competent to conduct his own case
Whatever Mohamed once was and once knew, was lost on a table in a torture cell in Thailand. He's no longer mentally competent to demand his own death. See, http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/12/13/134311/17/385/...

Here's Paul's articles on that:


Paul Thompson wrote on December 18, 2007 4:28 PM:

I have a lot more about the torture of Abu Zubaida in a detailed timeline about the CIA tapes scandal, here:

http://www.cooperativeresearch.org/timeline.jsp?timelin...

It basically confirms what this Washington Post article says, that the FBI interrogation was working well and then the CIA screwed things up with their brutal and ineffective torture methods.


Also, see Paul Kiel's TPM posting: http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/archives/0049... .
Mark

[defendandprotect]

1. Let's see... What would Mafia do ...? Threaten all four families ...??

That's how these things -- pleading "guilty" -- happen ...

[sarcasmo]

2. Levin was on Maddow last night saying he was going after Cheney for allowing the torture.