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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 10:36 AM
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Why No More 9/11s?


http://www.slate.com/id/2208971/

Slate Magazine

Why No More 9/11s?
An interactive inquiry about why America hasn't been attacked again.
By Timothy Noah
Updated Wednesday, Feb. 25, 2009, at 11:29 AM ET

Amid the many uncertainties loosed by the al-Qaida attacks on Sept. 11, 2001, one forecast seemed beyond doubt: Islamist terrorists would strike the United States again—and soon. "Ninety days at the most," said counterterrorism expert Juval Aviv. On Oct. 5, 2001, an unnamed senior intelligence official told Congress, in a private briefing, that there was a "100 percent" chance of another terrorist attack should the U.S. invade Afghanistan, as it did two days later. "An attack is predictable now whether we retaliate against Afghanistan or not," reasoned House Speaker-to-be Nancy Pelosi, D-Calif. Sen. Richard Shelby, R-Ala., agreed: "You can just about bet on it."

When no second terrorist attack occurred in 2001, experts adjusted their time horizons. "If we get through the summer without some sort of attack, we'll be pretty fortunate," said George Vinson, a security adviser to then-California Gov. Gray Davis, in June 2002. In February 2003, Tom Ridge, the nation's first secretary of homeland defense, publicly estimated an 80 percent likelihood that terrorists would attack the U.S. within the next few days. In August 2003, the World Markets Research Center said it was "highly likely" that terrorists would attack the United States within the next 12 months. In June 2006, unnamed U.S. officials told CBS News they'd be surprised if the United States weren't hit by a terrorist attack by the end of that year. In December 2008, the Commission on the Prevention of WMD Proliferation and Terrorism said it was "more likely than not" that by the end of 2013, terrorists would attack somewhere in the world using a chemical, biological, or nuclear weapon. In a Feb. 4 interview with Politico, former Vice President Dick Cheney said there was "a high probability of such an attempt." He didn't say when.

It didn't happen—or, rather, it hasn't happened yet. Islamist terrorists struck Bali, Madrid, London, Mumbai, and many places in and around the Mideast, but they haven't struck the United States. Why not? The question is impossible to answer with certainty. But given that the "war on terrorism" was (for good or ill) the defining pursuit of George W. Bush's presidency, anyone seeking to understand the previous eight years of American political history must ask it. More urgently, our new president, Barack Obama, is surely pondering this question as he assesses the present risk of a terrorist attack on the United States and how best to address it.

I spent the Obama transition asking various terrorism experts why the dire predictions of a 9/11 sequel proved untrue and reviewing the literature on this question. The answers boiled down to eight prevailing theories whose implications range from fairly reassuring to deeply worrying. Over the next seven days, I will elaborate each of these theories. To explore each one, click on a worry bead. We begin today with the Terrorists-Are-Dumb Theory.







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These two important articles on the possibility of a modern Reichstag Fire by Boris Kagarlitsky, originally published in Moscow Times http://www.moscowtimes.ru/ are archived here at www.osamaskidneys.com/moscow.html under Fair Use Provisions.

Moscow Times
September 18, 2001
Bin Laden? Better Be Sure
By Boris Kagarlitsky

The terrorist attack on New York has already been compared to Pearl Harbor
and the loss of the Kursk submarine. Mikhail Gorbachev likened it to
Chernobyl, which is probably a very accurate analogy in terms of the shock
and ignominy experienced by the U.S. administration. In both cases, we saw
incompetence and helplessness initially, followed by desperate attempts at
official face-saving.

There is, however, one analogy that does not seem to have occurred to
anyone: the burning of the Reichstag. The anti-Arab and anti-Moslem
hysteria that has followed around the globe in the wake of the catastrophe
simply calls out for comparison with the events of the 1930s. The U.S.
authorities immediately started the search for the guilty among Arabs,
Osama bin Laden cropped up almost immediately as prime suspect and
alternative versions have barely been entertained.

In the minutes immediately following the explosions, it seems there was no
doubt whatsoever regarding the "Arab" source of the attacks. However, the
more evidence and arguments adduced in support of the "Arab version," the
more shaky it seems to become. In a television appearance immediately after
the explosions, the well-known pundit Vyacheslav Nikonov noted that the
guilty would undoubtedly be found, and if not, they would be "nominated,"
adding cynically: "It would be in Russia's interest if the Taliban and bin
Laden were nominated."

To give him his due, Alexander Gordon -- who spoke on two TV programs --
pointed out that it could be far-right militia groups (such as those behind
the Oklahoma City bombing) and not Islamic terrorists at all. Analysts have
emphasised how easy it would be to carry out each individual element of the
terrorist operation: smuggling knives aboard a plane, breaking into the
cockpit, etc. However to coordinate all these actions in different parts of
the country without making a single serious blunder is devilishly hard.

The crime committed on Sept. 11 must have required enormous efforts in
management, control and logistics. The strength of Islamic terrorism is in
the simplicity of organization and its unpredictability. All groups operate
autonomously. Even the destruction of command centers doesn't have a major
impact, insofar as every one of Allah's warriors is capable of acting on
his own. The attacks on New York and Washington were very carefully
coordinated, the minutest details were thoroughly thought through, and at
no stage were there serious lapses.

It would appear that the operation was organized and carried out by people
who had free passage around the country and were considered to be above
suspicion. If they are professionals, they did not acquire their experience
in underground terrorist groups. It cannot be excluded that the attacks
were organized by forces within the United States, and this would have to
be people with considerable military experience.

Why is it that no seems even to consider a conspiracy by far-right groups
as a possibility? The masterminds could easily have covertly used people of
Arab nationality to carry out the attacks.

Whoever it is behind the Washington and New York attacks, in Russia and
Israel they have already played a role comparable to the burning of the
Reichstag. Far-right politicians -- "upholders of the values of western
civilisation" -- have already spoken out calling for revenge. Over and
over, one and the same thing is repeated: "Moslems are subhuman barbarians
and you cannot conduct negotiations with them. They are not like us, and
thus our criteria of democracy and human rights do not apply to them." "No
need to fear unpopular measures," some say. "No need to limit ourselves to
democratic conventions," others chime in.

At a minimum they are after: arrests without warrants, mass deportations
and wide-scale searches. Already reports are coming from the United States
of racist attacks against Islamic communities. It is clear that mass
repressions will lead to mass resistance. That is how you make enemies. Do
those who are trying to scare us with the Moslem threat really not
understand that? They understand it full well. They simply believe that a
final solution is possible -- if not globally, then at least on a more
limited territory. As a maximum, they are baying for ethnic cleansing and
genocide.

Boris Kagarlitsky is a Moscow-based sociologist.

Copyright (c) 2001 Boris Kagarlitsky / Moscow Times http://www.moscowtimes.ru/


Moscow Times
October 30, 2001
A Need for Honest Answers
By Boris Kagarlitsky

For three weeks already the bombing of Afghanistan has been going on.
Hostility toward the United States is growing, and not only in the Arab
world. The bewilderment and exasperation can be felt in Western Europe as
well, despite assurances of loyalty on the part of those countries'
leaders. It's not just the ever-growing number of victims among the
civilian population, but also the fact that London and Washington, although
commencing military operations, have yet to present the world with cogent
arguments.

The famous address by British Prime Minister Tony Blair that won the
support of the British parliament, by his own admission, did not contain
sufficient evidence for a British or U.S. court. Most of it had absolutely
nothing to do with the attacks on New York and Washington on Sept. 11, but
merely described the prior and already well-known terrorist activities of
Osama bin Laden.

The official version of events leaves such a large number of unanswered
questions that even Egyptian President Hosni Mubarak, a loyal ally of the
United States in the Middle East, could not refrain from voicing certain
doubts. Mubarak is himself a professional pilot and does not understand how
terrorists with minimal flying skills could have steered the planes to
their targets. The Russian General Boris Agapov, a well-known specialist on
Afghanistan, cannot understand how bin Laden and the Taliban, with their
primitive organization, could have executed such a large-scale act of
terrorism; he believes that one of the more competent secret services must
have had a hand in things. The German Berliner Zeitung and the Indian
Mainstream asked how the terrorists could have implemented their plan
without a single U.S. citizen as accomplice.

And why is the United States so interested in bin Laden's money, while
ignoring Saudi "charitable" foundations that sustain a number of extremist
organizations. The list of such questions is almost endless and one merely
has to explore U.S. Internet sites -- which today have come to resemble
Soviet samizdat of the 1970s -- to find a lot of them.

In any case, the extent to which perceptions of Sept. 11 differ inside the
United States and outside of it is striking. U.S. citizens support the war
because they hope that they can rid themselves of the nightmare that was
unleashed on Sept. 11. For the rest of the world, the war is itself a
nightmare and, moreover, one that has been imported from the United States.

The commentators of serious newspapers such as The Wall Street Journal and
The New York Times whisper in the ear of the Bush administration: Provide
more evidence. However, if we are talking about evidence that is gathered
retrospectively in order to corroborate a version of events already agreed
upon, then it will convince very few people. Such evidence will appear
convincing mainly to governments receiving handouts from the United States,
and the larger the handouts the more convincing the evidence will seem. In
demanding solidarity at all costs, the Bush administration is destabilizing
its own friends and compelling them to go against the grain of the views of
their own people.

Having appointed bin Laden as the main culprit, the Bush administration has
not only provoked doubts regarding the justification of its actions, but
also made it more likely that other criminals will go unpunished. Only a
full-scale and thorough investigation will make it possible to uncover all
the culprits. If bin Laden was not behind the Sept. 11 attacks or played
only a secondary role, then the current war against terrorism is providing
other terrorist leaders with the opportunity to cover their tracks.

A doctor who undertakes a surgical operation in spite of doubts about the
diagnosis is acting amorally at the very least. For this very reason,
politicians and doctors fear the retrospective revision of a diagnosis more
than anyone.

The fear of new terrorist acts compels the American public to accept any
course of treatment offered by the government. However, there will most
probably not be any more large-scale acts of terrorism. Not because the
administration's measures have been effective, but simply because those who
blew up the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 -- whoever they were -- have
already achieved their goal, just as those who blew up apartment blocks in
Moscow in 1999 accomplished theirs. Terrorism is a means of changing the
balance of political forces through violence. Such a change has already
taken place. And the current war against terrorism is no solution, but
rather is aggravating the problem.

Boris Kagarlitsky is a Moscow-based sociologist.

Copyright (c) 2001 Boris Kagarlitsky / Moscow Times http://www.moscowtimes.ru/


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jakeXT Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Feb-26-09 01:25 PM
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1. They tried to create an illusion of protecting the sheeple


with goodies like this one


U.S. Thwarts 19 Terrorist Attacks Against America Since 9/11
...


Narseal Batiste, Patrick Abraham, Stanley Grant Phanor, Naudimar Herrera, Burson Augustin, Lyglenson Lemorin, and Rotschild Augstine, June 2006

Seven men were arrested in Miami and Atlanta for allegedly being in the early stages of a plot to blow up the Sears Tower in Chicago, as well as the FBI offices and other buildings. The arrests resulted from an investigation involving an FBI informant. It is alleged that Narsearl Batiste was the leader of the group and first suggested attacking the Sears Tower in December 2005.<41>

All individuals have pled not guilty and are awaiting trial.


...
http://www.heritage.org/research/HomelandDefense/bg2085.cfm


The group never actually made contact with al Qaeda. Instead, a paid FBI informant known as Brother Mohammed posed as an al Qaeda emissary.

The defense portrayed the seven men as hapless figures who were either manipulated and entrapped by the FBI or went along with the plot to con "Mohammed" out of $50,000.
http://cbs5.com/national/miami.sears.tower.2.610440.html







December 2007 Atlantic
Is Iraq Vietnam? Who really won in 2000? Which side are you on in the culture wars? These questions have divided the Baby Boomers and distorted our politics. One candidate could transcend them.

by Andrew Sullivan
Goodbye to All That: Why Obama Matters



The logic behind the candidacy of Barack Obama is not, in the end, about Barack Obama. It has little to do with his policy proposals, which are very close to his Democratic rivals’ and which, with a few exceptions, exist firmly within the conventions of our politics. It has little to do with Obama’s considerable skills as a conciliator, legislator, or even thinker. It has even less to do with his ideological pedigree or legal background or rhetorical skills. Yes, as the many profiles prove, he has considerable intelligence and not a little guile. But so do others, not least his formidably polished and practiced opponent Senator Hillary Clinton.

...

With 9/11, Bush had a reset moment—a chance to reunite the country in a way that would marginalize the extreme haters on both sides and forge a national consensus. He chose not to do so. It wasn’t entirely his fault. On the left, the truest believers were unprepared to give the president the benefit of any doubt in the wake of the 2000 election, and they even judged the 9/11 attacks to be a legitimate response to decades of U.S. foreign policy. Some could not support the war in Afghanistan, let alone the adventure in Iraq. As the Iraq War faltered, the polarization intensified. In 2004, the Vietnam argument returned with a new energy, with the Swift Boat attacks on John Kerry’s Vietnam War record and CBS’s misbegotten report on Bush’s record in the Texas Air National Guard. These were the stories that touched the collective nerve of the political classes—because they parsed once again along the fault lines of the Boomer divide that had come to define all of us.

...

Perhaps the underlying risk is best illustrated by our asking what the popular response would be to another 9/11–style attack. It is hard to imagine a reprise of the sudden unity and solidarity in the days after 9/11, or an outpouring of support from allies and neighbors. It is far easier to imagine an even more bitter fight over who was responsible (apart from the perpetrators) and a profound suspicion of a government forced to impose more restrictions on travel, communications, and civil liberties. The current president would be unable to command the trust, let alone the support, of half the country in such a time. He could even be blamed for provoking any attack that came.

...

http://www.theatlantic.com/doc/200712/obama
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noise Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-27-09 03:49 AM
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2. Timothy Noah's first article
Edited on Fri Feb-27-09 04:04 AM by noise
is why we have no clue about al Qaeda sponsored terrorism. Some journalists simply aren't willing to challenge establishment views. That said IMO some 9/11 truthers distort the issue by suggesting that the false flag paradigm simply must be true. As if there were no real motives for al Qaeda operatives to participate in a martyrdom mission. We have the African embassy bombings and the Cole attack which demonstrate that there really are terrorists willing to take part in such attacks. Go back further and we have the suicide terrorist attacks in Lebanon in the early 80's.

As Kagarlitsky notes there was an effort to separate Bin Laden/al Qaeda from the Saudi government. As I've mentioned repeatedly, former chief of Alec Station Michael Scheuer noted that before 9/11 "the Saudis were the enemy, they protected bin Laden." This is important because US politicians have close links to the Saudi government. One such US politician was the POTUS at the time of 9/11. And at the same time investigations of al Qaeda operatives inside the US were obstructed. Noah gets around this huge problem by resorting to the tried and true explanation of implying that bureaucratic obstructions explain the intel community's bizarre conduct. If al Qaeda operatives were protected because they were sponsored/supported by the Saudi government then the capability of al Qaeda (as an independent terrorist organization) is brought into question. Noah evidently won't go there so IMO his analysis is flawed.

I think the question Noah poses--why haven't there been any attacks since 9/11--is an excellent question. Kagarlitsky's explanation is pretty good:

However, there will most probably not be any more large-scale acts of terrorism. Not because the administration's measures have been effective, but simply because those who blew up the World Trade Center on Sept. 11 -- whoever they were -- have already achieved their goal, just as those who blew up apartment blocks in Moscow in 1999 accomplished theirs. Terrorism is a means of changing the balance of political forces through violence. Such a change has already taken place. And the current war against terrorism is no solution, but rather is aggravating the problem.


Whatever ones views it is difficult to understand why there were no follow up attacks.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 07:02 AM
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3. There was another attack - anthrax nt
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:07 PM
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27. ...followed by econom shock waves . . .!!!
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Mar-01-09 08:39 AM
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4. Neither al-Qaeda nor the neocons needed another big attack.
They've both received everything they wanted for the last 8 years.
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 04:04 PM
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5. Because the 911truthers would have been over them like white on rice
They didn't dare.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Mar-02-09 04:08 PM
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6. Oh, my God.
You're serious, aren't you? Yes, you are, because you're one of the aerial ballet people from CIT. You actually think the U.S. Government didn't dare plan another 9/11-style attack because you guys would have exposed them.

:rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

This day just keeps on getting better and better!
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 05:14 PM
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7. Oh my..
.. is this the honourable mr. Marquis?
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aldo Donating Member (297 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 03:46 PM
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10. Thanks for bumping this thread and my subthread
nt
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 04:07 PM
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11. Your life could be so much more than this. n/t
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reinvestigate911 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 06:28 PM
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12. and what does that say about yours? n/t
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:09 PM
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15. That I know enough about how good life could be to be confident of what I tell him. n/t
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reinvestigate911 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 09:13 AM
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18. this idea you have that the quality of your life and your worldview are both superior is interesting
explain this.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:03 AM
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19. Quit stalking me. n/t
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reinvestigate911 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:25 AM
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20. paranoia is not generally considered the hallmark of a "good life" n/t
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 11:56 AM
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21. Dude, you are too interested in me and my posts
and you always go personal with me. Release.
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reinvestigate911 Donating Member (548 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 05:51 PM
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22. i can post whatever i want here; providing that i observe forum rules
Edited on Fri Mar-06-09 05:53 PM by reinvestigate911
you're in no position to tell me what to do.
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Neo Atheist Donating Member (122 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:06 PM
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14. Yes, the 911 troofers were innocent Americans' only defense
against "further" "neoconservative" "attacks" "against" "the" "homeland."

Is there some hidden message in Screw Loose or whatever that "documentary" is called that causes some people to be as nonsensical as someone speaking in tongues?
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number6 Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:49 PM
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8. No More 9/11s? ?
911 in Spain, 911 in Brittan,

one big 911 done on Iraq by W

and Lebanon and GAZA :nuke: :nuke:
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-03-09 10:57 PM
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9. Why, those don't count!
None of them happened in the good old U.S.A! Except for that pesky anthrax mailer, but that wasn't Al-Qaeda, and Osama's filed paperwork to keep the copyright on the term "9/11" now that BushCo is done with it.
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seemslikeadream Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 06:48 PM
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13. but that wasn't Al-Qaeda? How do you know that?
Oh that's right you believe the FBI, about everything?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Mar-05-09 07:11 PM
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16. Um, no, the FBI says Ivins acted alone
and I don't even know if Ivins was part of it. There's evidence he was involved, but acting alone?

So there is one instance where I do not believe the FBI about everything. Please dispense with absolutist thinking -- I'm supposed to be the authoritarian personality here, remember?
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Mar-06-09 04:18 AM
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17. Why no more asteroids wiping out 90% of the Earth's species?
Maybe asteroids are a myth propagated by government scientists.
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Realityhack Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Mar-07-09 09:59 AM
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23. Have you ever looked into who funded those telescopes?
Have you?

WAKE UP William!!!
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 01:24 AM
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24. Cheney's probably working on another one . . .!!!
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vincent_vega_lives Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 09:50 AM
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25. That
and his golf game.
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defendandprotect Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Mar-24-09 02:06 PM
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26. Last I saw a photo of Cheney he was in a wheelchair???
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