the significance of 33

[spooked911]

some important conspiracy information:

http://33-watch.blogspot.com/2008/12/number-33-911-freemasonsptb-and-all.html

http://33-watch.blogspot.com/2008/12/how-ptb-signal-their-involvement-in.html

http://33-watch.blogspot.com/2009/03/33-and-september-11.htm

[seemslikeadream]

1. Thanks spooked911

The global economy has become like a malignant cancer, advancing the colonization of the planet's living spaces for the benefit of powerful corporations and financial institutions. It has turned these once useful institutions into instruments of a market tyranny that is destroying livelihoods, displacing people, and feeding on life in an insatiable quest for money. It forces us all to act in ways destructive of ourselves, our families, our communities, and nature. This destructive process is driven by a combination of institutional forces and an extremist ideology of corporate libertarianism that invokes the theories of Adam Smith and market economics to advance policies that systematically undermine both the market and democracy.

[Bolo Boffin]

2. Bookmarking this one

33 times.

[mrgerbik]

3. “Once is happenstance. Twice is coincidence. The third time it's enemy action.”

hmmm what does that sound like? :P

[Bolo Boffin]

4. And what about 33 times? n/t

[mrgerbik]

5. see quote nt

[Bolo Boffin]

6. The quote doesn't say anything about the 33rd time.

Is there a chart? What's the 47th time?

[jberryhill]

27. 33rd is Amethyst

and 47th is books.

I prefer the modern chart, in which the 1st is "sex toys" and the 5th is "divorce".

[LARED]

7. I'm pretty sure

once the Freemasons have been drawn into the 9/11 CT web, the end in near.

[SidDithers]

8. The CT'ers can connect anyone to anything...

that's why it's so futile to engage them. Pointing and laughing is all I can manage anymore.

Though I do still enjoy chemtrail and crop circle threads :)

Sid

[procopia]

14. And the OCTists can

even connect Saddam Hussein to 9/11, and have.

[SDuderstadt]

15. Name ONE person here who's done that...

Procopia.

[procopia]

19. I was talking about the original OCTists,

the ones you believe are telling the truth about 9/11--their first and only time to tell the truth in their entire careers.

[SDuderstadt]

21. You don't know what the fuck I believe, Procopia;...

and it's rather silly to believe that the only source of info about 9/11 is the Bush admin.

[procopia]

22. I don't blame you

for attempting to disassociate yourself from the Bush administration. You have never defended the OCT?

[SDuderstadt]

23. First of all, define the "OCT"

That seems to be some sort of catch-all label that 9/11 CT's use to tar anyone who uses facts, science, physics and Logic and concludes that, as flawed as they were in some respects, the studies conducted by NIST, ASCE, the 9/11 Commission, etc. pretty much got it right. In any large scale, catastrophic event, there are bound to be unanswered questions, conflicting accounts and/or anomalies. The problem with the 9/11 CT contingent (in my opinion) is assuming that any of the foregoing automatically proves their conspiracy theory.

However, the thing that bothers me most of all is the silly, binary, black-or-white, either-or thinking that says either one rejects the "OCT" (again, whatever that is) or one is associating with(defending, rationalizing, etc.) the Bush administration. Let me be clear about one thing. I despised the Bush administration and believe Bush and Cheney (as well as others) deserve prosecution, conviction and imprisonment for the way they exploited 9/11 (Iraq, torture, etc.). I will gladly match my liberal credentials against yours anyday, Procopia. Maybe if you and your compatriots would quit presuming to know our states of mind, you'd find the 9/11 debate could be much more civilized and productive. Unless and until that occurs, I'm not really interested in pursuing this discussion.

[procopia]

29. It's self explanatory, SDuderstadt...

Defined, the OCT is the version of 9/11 events as explained by Bush and other government officials. You've defended that, haven't you?

In any large scale, catastrophic event, there are bound to be unanswered questions, conflicting accounts and/or anomalies. The problem with the 9/11 CT contingent (in my opinion) is assuming that any of the foregoing automatically proves their conspiracy theory.

The problem with the OCT is that it consists almost entirely unanswered questions, conflicting accounts, and anomalies--and an incredible number of amazing coincidences, you forgot that one.

However, the thing that bothers me most of all is the silly, binary, black-or-white, either-or thinking that says either one rejects the "OCT" (again, whatever that is) or one is associating with(defending, rationalizing, etc.) the Bush administration.

OK, I'm listening. Tell me how one can accept the OCT without defending the Bush administration.

Unless and until that occurs, I'm not really interested in pursuing this discussion.

Is that a promise or a threat? Either way, it's amusing.

[SDuderstadt]

31. This is getting dumber by the moment....

please prove that the only source of facts or info about 9/11 is the Bush administration. If, as you seem to claim, this is true, what is Obama doing to counteract it? Or, is he in on it too? Please show me where I have ever defended the Bush administration. Please be specific.

[procopia]

34. True

Why would you try to deny that you have defended the OCT?

[SDuderstadt]

38. look, it's real simple, dude

first of all, properly define what you mean by ''oct'', then show me where i have ever ''defended it'' en masse. we typically have discussions of parts of what happened that day and, as i have repeatedly pointed out, one does not need to rely on the bush administration for info, as it is available from a wide variety of sources.

this is just part of your feeble attempt to tar anyone who doesn't agree with your goofy assertions as a ''bush-lover''. i'm not playing.

[procopia]

40. Done

The definition I've provided is simple and adequate. O=official, as in provided by government authorities; C=Conspiracy, as in those responsible for planning and carrying out the attacks; T=Theory, as in unproven explanation. Why would you pretend you don't know what people mean by "OCT"? I have never seen you post anything that questioned any element of the OCT. If you have not defended it en masse, what element of it have you questioned?

[SDuderstadt]

41. If I have "defended" it....

it should be easy for you to point to a specific example. I see you can't. It's also rather silly to claim that there's some sort of unified "OCT" when information from that day comes from a multitude of sources.

[procopia]

42. It should be easy

for you to give an example of some element of the OCT that you have questioned. When you argue with truthers, you are defending the OCT. When you make the generalization that "The 9/11 'Truth Movement' may be wrong and silly, but that doesn't make them dangerous," then you obviously believe OCTists are right and logical. When you make the generalization that "being a progressive entails employing critical thinking, which rules out 'truthers'" you obviously believe only OCTists employ critical thinking. Such statements about all "truthers" implies
an unqualified defense of the OCT en masse.

Yes, there is, without a doubt, a unified OCT; it's the explanation given to us by our government about the events of 9/11. The OCT is not a theory from other sources; by any definition, it is what our GOVERNMENT OFFICIALS told us about 9/11.

[SDuderstadt]

44. "When you argue with truthers, you are defending the OCT"

Thanks for providing the proof of how wrong you are. I know that you're logic-challenged and I really shouldn't have to explain this to you, but I'll give it a try. You DO know what logical fallacy you just committed, don't you? Do you really think there are only two choices here? Do you really think that one can only either "not argue with truthers" or "defend the OCT"? See if you can follow here:

Let's say that the "OCT" claims "A"
A "truther" then claims "B", in contradiction to "A".
Now, if I demand proof of "B" or claim "not 'B' ", does that mean I am claiming "A"?
Hint: no

Do you think that "not 'B' " automatically means "A"? Not "B" could just as easily mean "C" or "D", etc. While it is true that "B" = "not 'A'", so do many other possibilities. Maybe you should go study Venn Diagams or set theory. One thing you should probably not do is waste a lot of time respomding to this because I'm tired of dancin' with ya, pal. It just keeps reinforcing what I said previously about trying to debate with irrational people. Bye.

[AZCat]

35. Any event, when examined...

consists of an incredible number of "amazing" coincidences. This is, in itself, not unusual (although contrary to intuition).

[procopia]

36. Any event?

For example?

[jberryhill]

46. Deal ten cards from a deck...

Go ahead, pick up a deck of cards, deal ten, and post the sequence here.

[LARED]

50. Stop, you're going to hurt his/her brain. - nt

[Realityhack]

51. Doesn't that assume...

that at some point he/she attains some level of comprehension?

[SDuderstadt]

55. I've done the same thing with people who are addicted to "magical thinking:....

like those who say of a lottery winner, "He KNEW was going to win", which ignores all the other millions of people who just KNEW they were going to win too and, of course, didn't. It's something akin to the "Texas Sharpshooter" fallacy.

Anyhow, I'll ask them to take a deck of cards and cut/shuffle the deck as many times as they want, then deal the cards face up one at a time. I then point out that the odds that the cards would come out in that exact same sequence is 52x51x50x49...in other words, 52 factorial (now I don't have a factorial calculator, but I am pretty sure the odds are millions to one, if not higher).

Which frames the problem of trying reason with "truthers", who like many others, have difficulty understanding probability. It's like that great scene from "Fatherhood" in which Billy Crystal is trying to tell Robin Williams who Lou Gehrig was. An exasperated Crystal says something like, "Lou Gehrig! Lou Gehrig! He died of "Lou Gehrig's disease!", to which an incredulous Williams gets a faraway look in his eyes and replies, "Man...what are the odds on that?". I think you get my drift.

[LARED]

57. Much higher

55 factorial = 1.26964034 × 10^73 to be precise.

Google has neat math and conversion functions built into the search engine

http://www.google.com/search?q=55+factorial&rls=com.microsoft:*:IE-SearchBox&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&sourceid=ie7&rlz=1I7GGLJ

[SDuderstadt]

58. Thanks. Lared...

now if we could just get the "truthers" to understand the logical fallacy known as "found significance".

[jberryhill]

60. I don't know about that, but...

It is clear from Lared's calculation that it is practically impossible to deal 52 cards from a deck.

Really - have you ever done it?

I never have, and now I know why - the result would be so improbable as to make it impossible to do.

[SDuderstadt]

61. You've managed to capture the essence of....

"truther" thinking, if you can call it that. That reminds me of the time Yogi Berra was asked if he wanted his pizza cut into 6 or 12 slices. He thought for a second, then said, "You'd better make it 6...I don't think I can eat 12 slices.".

[LARED]

62. I'm not familiar with "found significance", but is it something like this?

Once many moons ago, I played quarter poker with a bunch of buddies on a regular basis. We were playing straight stud poker. Deal 5 cards face up and bet on each hand (one card per hand). Well I was dealt a royal flush (Odds are astronomical). Unfortunately no one had a decent hand and I won about two bucks.

If I was practicing "found significance", I would either believe that this happens on a more frequent basis than I previously thought, or that it will never happen again because it happened once. In reality there is absolutely no relationship between that event and future events.

[SDuderstadt]

63. Actually, it's more like this...

One night (because of your psychosomatic tendencies) you really fret that you've contracted some insidious form of cancer. When you read the paper the next day, OMIGOD! Right there on page 3 is an article on that very cancer. Since the brain has evolved to see patterns (survival), we often see patterns that aren't even there. In this case, some people would be convinced that it CANNOT be coincidence that that article appeared right after you you thought about the cancer, so the article HAD to be written with YOU in mind. Of course, you're forgetting that the paper is not written exclusively for you and that for countless thousands of people, the article has no significance at all. YOU are attributing (or finding) significance to the article, hence the term, "found significance".

Another example would be in that poker game, if the pot was substantially bigger and you had just lost your job that day, you might conclude some external magical force had caused you to draw the royal flush and win the game JUST when you needed to.

[LARED]

65. Thanks - nt

[Realityhack]

45. I was thinking of starting a thread on that....

but I figured 'What the fuck is the point?'

Anyway this is one of the things the truth movement fails miserably at understanding.

[jberryhill]

47. It's been done

I had a one-in-a-million thing happen to me today.

Now I have to list the 999,999 things that didn't happen....

[Realityhack]

49. I remember Feynman

at least I think it was him... opening a speach by saying 'in the parking lot on the way in here I saw a car with the plate VRI583 (or some random plate)... now what are the chances of that!'.

[LARED]

53. Talk about odd coincidences.

At this thread http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=238479&mesg_id=238479

I posted a question that lead to exactly 132 responses. Note that it was post number 9 (3X3) and 132 divided by 33 is equal to 4. Four is NOT a prime number but it is EXACTLY between 2 prime numbers ; 3 and 5 respectively.

Spooky weird.

[jberryhill]

54. "EXACTLY between 2 prime numbers ; 3 and 5"

Dude - that was post 35 IN THIS THREAD!

Okay, now you've got me creeped out.

There is NO WAY you could have done that.

[LARED]

56. I told you it was spooky weird. - nt

[jberryhill]

59. But my post was 54

...which is two consecutive numbers in reverse order.

And then your response was 56 - which is two consecutive numbers in the correct order.

Oh, man, I must've gone through another dimension.

[SDuderstadt]

64. Sometimes I glace at my watch and....

OMIGOD! It's exactly 9:11!

Actually, I am just sitting here licking my wounds since I forgot to make post 33. Damn it.

[OnTheOtherHand]

37. this definition makes no sense

In one sentence, you assert that "the OCT is the version of 9/11 events as explained by Bush and other government officials" (my emphasis). A bit later, you concede that the OCT (as you understand it) contains "conflicting accounts."

Now, it is logically possible that someone in this forum has staked out the position that everything ever said by a government official is true, even if the statements are contradictory. However, as far as I can tell, it's factually false. On the contrary, everyone I know on this board thinks that the Bush administration lied brazenly and repeatedly about all sorts of things.

So, at a minimum, before anyone can know whether he or she is defending "the OCT" as you understand it, you have to specify which "version" or what elements you have in mind.

Otherwise, we have conundrums like this: "Tell me how one can accept the OCT without defending the Bush administration."

For instance: For some posters on this board, "the OCT" refers to the silly notion that planes struck the twin towers, the Pentagon, and the ground in Shanksville. For them, to defend that silly notion is indeed to defend the Bush administration. For other posters (including some who criticize "the OCT" as they understand it), there is no relationship whatsoever between believing that these plane strikes occurred and defending the Bush administration.

[SidDithers]

30. Nice "back peddling"..nt

Sid

[SDuderstadt]

32. For Christ's sakes....

don't let SLAD hear you say that!

[procopia]

33. That wasn't me

backpeddling. That was you, jumping to conclusions.

[SidDithers]

17. Prove it...

or STFU.

Sid

[procopia]

20. If I really need to prove that to you

then you haven't been paying attention.

[SDuderstadt]

10. On behalf of Freemasons everywhere....

I resent that remark.

[LARED]

12. My apologies

I was not slamming Freemasons, just noting that once Freemasonry was lumped into the CT there were not to many other organization left to add.

[SDuderstadt]

13. Apology accepted....

I hereby bestow upon you honorary Freemason membership. I will teach you the secret handshake later and clue you in to our plan to take over the world.

[arcadian]

16. Huh, thats a first.

One of the tenets of Freemasonry is that the initiate has to ask to join Freemasonry of his own free will.

[SDuderstadt]

18. Umm, in case you can't tell...

I'm joking.

[spooked911]

66. that's an odd comment

the freemasons have long been drawn into 9/11 and almost every conspiracy. Not sure what "the end in near" means exactly, though.

[jberryhill]

9. From the Glass Lined Tanks of Old Latrobe:

[MrMickeysMom]

11. That was a good beer...

... but alas, they make it differently now, and 33 is still a mystery.

[William Seger]

24. Rolling Rock was "a good beer"? Evidence please!

Hmmm... either that was before my time, or they only sent the "skunked" batches to VA. We used to buy it when I was in college, but only because it was the cheapest stuff in the store.

[MrMickeysMom]

25. Good.... for its price and for PA, circa 1998, that is...

I never got a head ache with it and it was pretty decent then. Now, with the micro brews I can get at the local pub, our tastes are more refined. Maybe you drank it after around 2000, when the company changed.

VA might have gotten skunked, as you say.

[AZCat]

26. Rolling Rock was the cheapest stuff in the store?

Where were you shopping - Saks Fifth Avenue? When I was in college, we would raid all the surrounding little town's groceries, and scored some great deals. This one grocery had several cases of Wiedemann's that would have been past the expiration date, if they had one. We got a screaming deal on the leftover stock and drank that stuff for months, until we noticed a small "culture" growing in the remainder. That was the last Wiedemann's I ever had (quite some time ago now), but on hot summer days I fondly remember all those I drank that year in college.

[William Seger]

28. Yup, late 60s

Rolling Rock was like $3 a case, IIRC -- maybe $0.50 cheaper than the "good stuff." I don't know if it's true, but I heard a story that at some point Latrobe decided they could sell more Rolling Rock if they just raised the price, LOL.

[cherokeeprogressive]

39. Club 33? All I know is that I've ALWAYS wanted to eat there.

[SidDithers]

43. The towers were brought down with Arsenic?...nt

:shrug:

Sid

[LARED]

48. The significance of 33 (or everything about 33 you never need to know)

http://estrip.org/elmwood/xhtml/entry.php?u=carolinian&id=46715

Entry: I turn 33 today. In an effort to avoid writing a haiku and to waste more of e:paul's bandwidth, I will post my results of hitting up wikipedia for all significant 33's.

33 is the largest positive integer that can not be expressed as a sum of different triangular numbers. It is also the smallest odd repdigit that's not prime (unless we consider 1-digit integers to also be repdigits).

33 is the eighth distinct biprime comprising the prime factors (3 > 11). Its aliquot sum is 15; itself a discrete biprime (3 > 5) in the following Aliquot sequence 33,15,9,4,3,1,0. (Note 33 is the 8th composite number to descend into the prime number 3, the others outside of this sequence being 30,26,16,12) Since 33 is a semiprime with both its prime factors being Gaussian primes, 33 is a Blum integer.

The sum of the first four positive factorials is 33. Adding up the sums of divisors for the 1 through 6 yields 33. 33 is the smallest integer such that it and the next two integers all have the same number of divisors.

It is also the first member of the first cluster of three biprimes (33,34,35); the next such cluster is (85,86,87).

Since the greatest prime factor of 332 + 1 = 1090 is 109, which is obviously more than 33 twice, 33 is a St�rmer number.

3 is the first number that repeats in Pi, making it 33.

33=00+11+22+33

The atomic number of arsenic

Messier object M33, a magnitude 7.0 galaxy in the constellation Triangulum, also known as the ]] object NGC 33, a double star in the constellation Pisces

The Saros number of the solar eclipse series which began on -1982 August 2 and ended on -485 January 17. The duration of Saros series 33 was 1496.5 years, and it contained 84 solar eclipses.

The Saros number of the lunar eclipse series which began on -1662 May 22 and ended on -364 July 10. The duration of Saros series 33 was 1298.1 years, and it contained 73 lunar eclipses.

Fastest number on planet earth.

The number symbolizes truth (33)

This number has the meaning that good will always triumph over evil.

Lag Ba'omer is a minor Jewish holiday which falls on the 33rd day of the Omer

Jesus's age when he was crucified in 33 A.D., according to many, though not verified historically.

In the religion of Islam the Muslims believe that the dwellers of Heaven will be existing eternally in a state of being age 33.

The number of innings played in the longest baseball game in history (a 1981 minor league game between the Rochester Red Wings and the Pawtucket Red Sox in Pawtucket, Rhode Island).

Retired numbers of former basketball star Larry Bird, Kareem Abdul-Jabbar, and former baseball star Eddie Murray.

Number of retired hockey goalie Patrick Roy.

Jersey number of baseball player Justin Morneau in honor of hero, Patrick Roy.

Jersey number of basketball player Patrick Ewing. The number was retired on February 28, 2003 by the New York Knicks.

Jersey number of basketball player Scottie Pippen. The number was retired on December 9, 2005 by the Chicago Bulls.

Jersey number worn by Redskins great QB Sammy Baugh during his record smashing time in the early years of the NFL

Number also worn by Grant Hill and Alonzo Mourning.

Kerry Earnhardt's Nextel Cup Series number for Richard Childress Racing sponsored by Holiday Inn

Race number of MotoGP rider Marco Melandri.

Race number of New Zealand Speedway driver, David Foxall.

Worn by Detroit Red Wings Own Chris Draper.

On most occasions, the traditional number of racers in the Indianapolis 500

In reference to gramophone records, 33 refers to a type of record by its revolution speed of 33⅓ revolutions per minute. 33s are also known as long playing records, or LPs. See: 78 and 45

The best-known car number of retired NASCAR driver Harry Gant

A significant number in modern numerology, one of the master numbers along with 11 and 22

A song by the Smashing Pumpkins on their Mellon Collie and the Infinite Sadness album. Also a song by Coheed and Cambria on their The Second Stage Turbine Blade album (the songs are not related)

The title of the first episode of the new Battlestar Galactica television series

In French, Italian, Romanian, Spanish and Portuguese, the word a patient is usually asked to say when a doctor is listening to his or her lungs with a stethoscope (Trente-Trois, Trentatr�, Treizeci şi trei, Treinta y Tres and Trinta e Tr�s)

The code for international direct-dial phone calls to France

A normal human spine has 33 vertebrae when the bones that form the coccyx are counted individually

A website has devoted research in sightings of the number 33 at: www.uc33.org

The number printed on all Rolling Rock beer labels

Number of maximum European Credit Transfer and Accumulation System credits that Instituto Superior T�cnico's students are allowed to achieve throughout one semester

The namesake of the private club, Club 33, located in Disneyland's New Orleans Square.

The Scottish Rite of Freemasonry has 33 degrees.

Number of victims, including the suspect, that were all killed at Virginia Tech, April 16, 2007.

The double triangle is another word for, "33."

33 were Uruguay's national Independence Heroes that liberate the country in 1825 from the Brazilian Empire, they are popularly known as "Treinta y Tres Orientales" (The Thirty-Three Orientals), one of Uruguay's national states and its capital city is named " Treinta y Tres" after them.

A religious image of the Virgin Mary from the XVIII Century is known in Uruguay as "Virgen de los Treinta y Tres" (Virgin of the Thity-Three) consecrated by Pope John Paul II in his visit to Uruguay in 1988.

2008 is the first time in 33 years that the United States has sent a satellite to explore and orbit Mercury (January 15, 2008)

Progressive Metal band Meshuggah releases their album "Catch 33" in year 2005.

In 2008, musician Teddy Geiger gives clues to fans about his new single, "march" which dropped March 3, or "33". In late May he announced 33 brand new songs that his fans could choose from to create their own album, called TG33.

In 2004, Los Angeles Rock group 33DEGREE released the 5 volume CD-set titled "regret the heredity", which is an anagram for Thirty Three Degree. The bands logo, shoes, and website all emphasize the number '33'

'33'(three-three) is an Nigerian produced brand of beer.

33 number worn by Redskins great Sammy Baugh

N.A.S.A's Pathfinder lands on Mars, location 19.5� N by 33.3� W, on July 4, 1997.

The number 33 appears in the occult by manipulating numeric data associated with events like the date, time, degrees, and much more. With basic math and specific obscure methods, the number 33 is teased out of the data, and such an event could be regarded as mystical deviation or attributed to an esoteric agenda.

The number of the French department Gironde

[Realityhack]

52. Oh my... you left out...

the part where a giant 33 smashed the twin towers and declared war on uneducated internet posters who's failure to grasp physics can only be topped by the late petgoat.