"The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft..."

[rollingrock]

...according to the 9/11 commission official report.

1. For the WTC's layout, see Port Authority diagrams, "World Trade Center Concourse Level," "Concourse Level," and "Plaza Level," undated. For the number of square feet of office space, see Federal Emergency Management Agency (FEMA) report, "World Trade Center Building Performance Study," undated. For the number of workers and passersby, see Port Authority briefing (May 13, 2004).

For the dimensions, see FEMA report, "World Trade Center Building Performance Study," undated. In addition, the outside of each tower was covered by a frame of 14-inch-wide steel columns; the centers of the steel columns were 40 inches apart.These exterior walls bore most of the weight of the building. The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in which elevators and stairwells were grouped. Ibid. For stairwells and elevators, see Port Authority response to Commission interrogatory, May 2004.

http://govinfo.library.unt.edu/911/report/911Report_Notes.htm

Wow. What a truly marvelous work of science fiction this report has turned out to be, hasn't it?
L. Ron Hubbard would be proud!

:rofl:

[tetedur]

1. Politics & Science in the Bush Administration prepared for Henry Waxman

http://oversight.house.gov/documents/20080130103545.pdf

in 2003 told us:

Recently, however, leading scientific journals have begun to question whether scientific integrity at federal agencies has been sacrificed to further a political and ideological agenda. As the editor of Science wrote earlier this year, there is growing evidence that the Bush Administration “invades areas once immune to this kind of manipulation.”

At the request of Rep. Henry A. Waxman, this report assesses the treatment of science and scientists by the Bush Administration. It finds numerous instances where the Administration has manipulated the scientific process and distorted or suppressed scientific findings. These actions go far beyond the typical shifts in policy that occur with a change in the political party occupying the White House. Thirteen years ago, former President George H.W. Bush stated that “ow more than ever, on issues ranging from climate change to AIDS research . . . government relies on the impartial perspective of science for guidance.” Today, President George W. Bush’s Administration has skewed this impartial perspective, generating unprecedented criticism from the scientific community and even from prominent Republicans who once led federal agencies.

The Administration’s political interference with science has led to misleading statements by the President, inaccurate responses to Congress, altered web sites, suppressed agency reports, erroneous international communications, and the gagging of scientists. The subjects involved span a broad range, but they share a common attribute: the beneficiaries of the scientific distortions are important supporters of the President, including social conservatives and powerful industry groups.

[rollingrock]

4. It's a nice work of fiction.

The chief editor of the report was a guy whose area of expertise was in creating and maintaining public myths, in his words.
This thing is a sad joke.

[SDuderstadt]

2. I'm not sure what you're getting at....

for example, do you think the photo somehow disproves the assertion about a hollow steel shaft? Because the photo proves that it IS a hollow steel shaft.

[rollingrock]

3. In what fictional universe?

Definition of hollow: an unfilled space; cavity, hole.


Let's try to deal with the real world, shall we?

[JuniperLea]

5. How can it be both hollow and filled with elevators and stairwells?

"The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in which elevators and stairwells were grouped."

[rollingrock]

6. That's what I was wondering

It's truly bizarre. The report never mentions the 47 core columns that occupied the central space in each of the twin towers. These were some of the most massive structural steel beams ever produced. They formed the structural backbone of these buildings. And to acknowledge their existence would be admitting that their ridiculous collapse theory falls apart like a cheap car made in China. So simply pretend they didn't exist! Problem solved! lol.

[wildbilln864]

7. you got that right brother!

They have to distract away from the 47 massive core columns else they'd have to explain why everyone of them failed all the way down in both towers.
IIRC they were 52"x24" at the bases and tapered as they ascend. And made of two inch thick steel. I may be slightly off but that's close. :hi:

[Fainter]

14. My Recollection Is That The Core Column Walls Were 4" Thick At The Bottom...

of the towers tapering to 1" thick at the tops of the buildings. I believe you're right about the dimensions.

[hack89]

16. So you think that thin, thousand foot columns

can remain standing with no horizontal support (ie the floors)? After being subjected to violent horizontal and vertical forces? The core columns were the last piece to go - I don' think you understand the collapse theory you are attacking.

[LARED]

18. Obviously you don't get around much

These were some of the most massive structural steel beams ever produced.

Funny, walk into any steel mill, large petrochemical plant, refinery, bridges, yada, yada, yada, and you will find all sorts of large, massive steel structures that make the lower columns in the WTC look meager.

[vincent_vega_lives]

21. They were massive

but relative to other construction methods also very lightweight construction compared to their size. The design maximized floor space while minimizing construction cost.

Also I hope you don't think those four gantry cranes are part of the core structure.

[Realityhack]

12. Have you ever looked down an elevator shaft?

They ARE hollow shafts.
As I understand it this is not a highly technical report. And the statement that it was a hollow steel shaft approximates the construction in that the strong members surrounded a relatively hollow center as seen in the photo.

[rollingrock]

15. The report claims the core of the buildings were hollow

which is a lie, because they were not.

[LARED]

19. Well Sherlock, you've now solved the case of the missing hollow shaft

So where are you going to go? Disney?

Do you really think the writers thought the interior of the building was a 40' by 60' hollow steel shaft? Like a giant tube. Or perhaps they were trying to be descriptive of the interior system and used words that confused you?

[vincent_vega_lives]

22. Elevators and stairwells

are comprised mainly of....you got it...empty space.

[Bolo Boffin]

23. Not to mention all of that open floor space n/t

[AZCat]

8. I'm not really sure why you're getting exercised over this.

The 9/11 Commission Report is not a technical report. Why rely on it for technical information when there are other reports which are of a technical nature and which cover the buildings in far greater (and more accurate) detail?

[BeFree]

9. Link?

To those other reports?

[AZCat]

10. wtc.nist.gov n/t

[BeFree]

11. Yeah

Goes to show what a crapass bunch of yahoos sat on that commission. Thanks, you just made the point for the complete trashing of that damned bunch of bullshit the Omission put out.

[rollingrock]

13. No one is that stupid

the members of the commission deliberately falsified information about the way the buildings were constructed, like they lied about virtually everything else in the report.

[hack89]

17. And of course you can prove this? nt

[SDuderstadt]

20. Just when I think a "truther" cannot make a more cognitively challenged post...

one like the OP appears.

the members of the commission deliberately falsified information about the way the buildings were constructed

You seem to claim this upon the basis of the statement contained within the 9/11 CR as follows:

The interior core of the buildings was a hollow steel shaft, in which elevators and stairwells were grouped.

First of all, how was it the 9/11 Commission "deliberately falsified information about the way the buildings were constructed"? It certainly isn't the statement you cited, which is a true statement. You seem to think the fact that elevator shafts and stairwells were located in the hollow core shaft means the core shaft could not have been hollow. At the most, assuming you're correct, the statement by the 9/11 CR is internally inconsistent (although it isn't...it's entirely consistent). If your definition of hollow were true (it isn't) and the 9/11 Commission was trying to falsify information about the construction of the building, why in the world would they include the reference to the elevators and stairwells?

Dude, how could an elevator function if the shaft WASN'T hollow? It would be impossible. I think the real problem here is you having trouble cognitively recognizing the difference between "hollow" and "empty". Just because something is "hollow", doesn't mean that it is "empty". If a water hose is full of water, does that mean it is not a hollow tube? If a tunnel is filled with traffic, does that mean it is not a hollow tube? If a grain silo is filled with wheat, does that mean it is not a hollow tube? Similarly, if an elevator shaft contains an elevator car, does that mean the shaft is not a hollow tube? If you doubt this, try forcing an elevator door open when the car is on a different floor and you can see for yourself that is is a hollow tube.

Personally, I believe that many of the more outlandish "truther" claims have their origins in fundamental cognitive and thinking issues.