Quo vadis 911blogger.com?

[Woody Box]

The bias on the website http://911blogger.com against Operation Northwoods research in general and especially the CIT Pentagon research is unbearable and shameful. Look at this blog entry

http://www.911blogger.com/node/20738

Aldo Marquis and Craig Ranke have invested more time and money into their research and obtained more significant results for a 9/11 inside job than all of their opponents together. The attacks on them, materializing in absurd negative ratings clearly intend to obstruct the progress of truthfinding.

This is a special American problem. In Europe, noone has a problem with Operation Northwoods or the Pentagon flyover.

By the way, does anyone know who "Victronix" is? He's got a habit of spreading nasty things about me

But pretty quickly he (Nico Haupt) was pushing WING TV, Woody Box and other nonsense, yet still everyone made excuses for him.

I'd say the most obvious negative outcome of LC (aside from cementing the Pentagon no plane meme) was the no plane/plane swap in Penn meme - that idea was basically created by Nico/Woody Box, for the most part, and got almost zero traction before this film. I saw several East Coast 911truth organizations advocating that claim and called them on it.

I'm not related to WING TV, I'm not talking nonsense, and I don't create no plane "memes". I used to work together with Nico Haupt, a fate I share with Michael Ruppert, Barbara Honneger, Michael Kane, Nic Levis etc.etc.

Can anyone tell Victronix to stop this slamming? I don't like this kind of publicity, really.

[Bolo Boffin]

1. In Europe = no one close enough to have actually seen the Pentagon flyover.

Funnily enough, anyone actually close enough to have seen the Pentagon flyover didn't see it, either.

[Woody Box]

2. Victronix is Victoria Ashley Hoffman

the wife of Jim Hoffman, as I have learned.

Mrs. Hoffman - in case this message reaches you - can you please stop to put me in a noplane/WING TV environment? This is mendacious and impertinent.

Stop it.

[Woody Box]

19. Victronix vs. Woody Box on the 911blogger forum

Victronix has - for the first time - confronted me directly on 911blogger.

Here's my post:

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com

where I make extensive use of various published documents. Properly interpretated, these papers strongly suggest that 9/11 was an operation of the "Operation Northwoods" type. Planes were swapped. Recommended reading (for example): the ACARS messages to UAL 93 and UAL 175. They show that these planes were flying over places where they shouldn't, according to the official story. UAL 93 received messages when it was over Indiana and Illinois; UAL 175 was over Harrisburg.

http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/10/flight-175-was-duplicated-threefold.html
http://911woodybox.blogspot.com/2009/09/united-airlines-tracked-different.html

Here's Victronix' answer (an excerpt due to DU rules from http://911blogger.com/news/2010-05-17/visibility911-welcomes-kevin-ryan-journal-911-studies-may-17th-2010):

If you happen to look into them for even just 5 minutes the claims start to fall apart on all kinds of levels. Perhaps the most obvious aspect is how so often when evidence contradicts "no plane", "no Boeing" or "swapped planes" the advocates cry "fake" to everything: the human remains are fake, the coroners were all paid off, the DNA was stolen from a hospital morgue, the pieces of evidence that don't appear appropriately burned as we would expect (despite having never witnessed such crashes in our lives) were dropped secretly by helicopters and no one noticed, etc.

Why is it so impossible to imagine that real planes hit buildings (or were plowed directly into the dirt at hundreds of mph) with the real passengers in them who were killed on impact?

I don't get it.

Well, apart from completely ignoring the new evidence for swapped planes as presented in my post (the ACARS messages to United 175 and United 93) Victronix tries for the x-time to slip me the claim that no real planes hit the building, i.e to paint me as a no-planer. That's really not fair, Vic.

[LARED]

20. I am so glad you shared this with me. nt

[Woody Box]

23. Barrie Zwicker censored by 911blogger

http://z3.invisionfree.com/CIT/index.php?showtopic=1412

Zwicker is the leading Canadian journalist fighting the 9/11 lie.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barrie_Zwicker

[Woody Box]

3. Frank Legge has joined the Pentagon debate

still turmoil at the 911blogger forum over CIT

http://www.911blogger.com/node/21024

[KDLarsen]

5. What a load of bull....

I've only had a glance through it so far, but given the bulls--- arguments laid forth in the few sections I read, I doubt the rest of it is any better.

[SDuderstadt]

4. Woody...

why the fuck are you writing about this here? If you had a similar problem with DU, would you write about it at 911blogger???

[anigbrowl]

6. I'm guessing the answer to that question is yes

It's all connected, you know.

[SDuderstadt]

7. I know...

after I'm done here, I'm going to cross-post this at homesandgardens.com.

[tiny elvis]

8. leave 911blogger to itself

jon gold argues vehemently and brutally for no position at all
he is a cul de sac and so is any group that makes him a leader
all of your work is good, woody box and people know that
911blogger is a political site and pol sites are dominated by people who are excited by the prospect of political influence
such people will say, not necessarily do, anything to gain and keep that influence
your problem with vegematic hoffman (name calling! you can call me tiny penis) comes from that
cit's work is in the process of being accepted into the curriculum and smart vegematics will go along in the end
some will even say they supported it all along
by the way, i wish that you would post more at cit's site, or have you commented there at all?
http://www.citizeninvestigationteam.com/nsa.html

[Woody Box]

9. The case of Jon Gold

His activism might be helpful and honest, but his total ignorance of new perceptions based on new research is not only embarassing (hey Jon, it's 2009 by now, not 2004 - wake up!) but heavily impedes the process of understanding the false-flag attack of 9/11.

[travis80]

10. the select group at 911blogger seem to think they are

the enforcers of the truth movement. does anyone but them even go to the site anymore?

[SDuderstadt]

11. Well, apparently not you or Woody...

Here's an idea...if you guys have a beef with Jon Gold; why don't you actually GO to 911Blogger and fight about it with him there, rather than waste bandwidth fighting about it here? Just a thought, dudes.

[travis80]

12. here's an idea, don't like these threads, stay off them

dude.

[SDuderstadt]

14. No...

dude.

[Name removed]

13. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[jberryhill]

15. Because they get banned there, and have to come here to complain

...about having been banned there, and also about how DU "stifles" 9/11 discussions.

No sense of irony in these folks at all.

[Woody Box]

16. Who's been banned?

I'm not banned there, and I don't think the CITs are banned there. Rob Balsamo of the pilots forum just has engaged in a debate with Frank Legge.

Please restrain yourself to correct claims. Thank you.

[SDuderstadt]

17. If you're not banned there....

why don't you whine to them, instead of whining here, dude?

[Woody Box]

18. the discussion continues

http://www.911blogger.com/node/21517

I'm really glad DU doesn't have a rating for posts here. Ratings are not helpful for the discussion and an invitation to manipulate opinions.

[spooked911]

21. 911blogger.com is an intel agency controlled forum

like, ahem, most conspiracy forums around the internet.

But you have done great work, Woody, which is why they shut you down.

[LARED]

22. And you know this how? - nt

[Woody Box]

24. You believe in swapped planes? You're antisemitic!

A new disgusting try on 911blogger to compound things by John Bursill:

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-09-19/911-truth-fight-stage-dont-get-hit-sucker-punch

[Woody Box]

25. Rock Creek Free Press vs. 911blogger.com

New developments

http://911blogger.com/news/2010-10-27/911bloggercom-accused-leading-911-truth-site-working-other-side