How will you react when you will be told the whole story of 9/11?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

Many of you have spent hours here debating this subject since 9/11. Many of you are sceptical. Many of you don't know and are speculating. Many here know and are here to cloud issues.

Some people here know eactly what happened on 9/11/01

If you were told in the next few months that the whole thing was set up. How will you react? How do you think the public will react?

This is a hypothetical question.

[SDuderstadt]

1. Could you point to anyone who is here to...

"cloud the issues"?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

2. I have no idea

it is hypthetical.

We were talking about this the other night. My neighbor was in the Marriot when the towers were struck. We were speculating what people would do if they heard that the whole thing was set up?

again, what would you do or say?

[SDuderstadt]

3. I would demand evidence of it....

which, in my opinion, does not exist.

[icee2]

37. You must be blind or else have an extremely short memory span

Even if you haven't bothered to do a bit of research and all you've done is read what a magician has written about 9/11, the
FACT of the matter is that many, many people HERE have posted tons and tons of evidence which support the fact that 9/11 WAS set up.

Your position is untenable and your "demand" for evidence was met many years ago. Your response to that evidence has been 99%
BS and insults.

Whenever anyone has asked for YOU to produce evidence in support of the bushco 9/11 conspiracy, you've failed miserably to produce
any that is credible and that can withstand scrutiny. The main evidence you've produced is INSULTS, bait, and diversions.
Which is kinda odd coming from a self-described liberal Democrat.

[SDuderstadt]

38. One can be a liberal Democrat and call you on your bullshit, dude...

I will ask you once politely to quit challenging my liberal and Democratic credentials simply because I call you on your goofy bullshit.

BTW, I'd love for you to produce a single thing James Randi has written on 9/11. It's simply amazing that you repeatedly smear a critical thinking website, dude.

[icee2]

39. Yep and I'm calliin you on your bullshit, DUDE

[Moonwalker1977]

11. Apollonopseudo's papyrus

Apollonopseudo's papyrus guessed the 11 September suicide
bombing?

[ki83760]

4. Shocked

[JackRiddler]

5. "Some people here know eactly what happened on 9/11/01"

Help us. Tell us who they are, and point to what they've said. Thanks.

[lemuria]

6. Well, since I believe it was an inside job...

It would confirm my beliefs.

[SDuderstadt]

7. Only if it was an "inside job", dude...

what if the reality is that it wasn't?

[HannibalCards]

8. How would you react?

If you were told in the next few months that the earth is flat, and always has been, how would you react?

It's a hypothetical question.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

9. I know it is round

[HannibalCards]

15. How do you know?

Did the government controlled schools tell you so?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

16. I've been round it

[HannibalCards]

17. Did you

navigate the entire trip yourself, or did you rely on pilots and navigators (re:experts in their field) to guide you?

(/truther logic)

[rschop]

10. We already know exactly what happened on 9/11.

We already know exactly what happened on 9/11. It is no longer a secret, there is now more than enough information in the public domain to put the entire story back together again.

[rschop]

22. The complete story on 9/11

It turns out that with the information that came from the Joint Inquiry on 9/11, the 9/11 Commission report, the DOJ IG report, the CIA IG report, the account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan by Lawrence Wright, and the book "State of Denial" by Bob Woodward, there was more than enough to be able to put the entire story on 9/11 back together again.

While each report deliberately left out or obfuscated critical details, the sum of all of these reports was more than enough to put the entire account of 9/11 back together again. By finding the most detailed account, and/or the account that had the most credibility, it was fairly easy when these accounts differed to find the information that made the most consistent story on the events prior to the attacks on 9/11. So we now know the whole story on 9/11, at least as far as the CIA and FBI are concerned. See my Journal for additional details on this.

[defendandprotect]

12. While a breakthru on this is always hoped for, IMO, 9/11 is connected to many other

right wing conspiracies from JFK coup to stolen elections and on and on --

IMO, they will all be broken together -- or not.

[CJCRANE]

13. The information is out there already

if you want to find out why it happened.

It all depends on the MSM on whether that reaches a mass audience or not.

[defendandprotect]

27. Correct . . . you're pointing to the POWER to bring the truth forward . . .

Obviously, the right wing has long been trying to ensure that we never have enough

POWER to bring all their lying and murderous deeds to light -- !!!

[HannibalCards]

29. Funny

Here I thought the right wing was out of power at the moment.

[BeFree]

30. heh

If anyone thinks that the power balance has shifted considerably then that
explains a lot about how they view things.

Because the RW still holds an immense amount of power.
They have nearly half of congress, they still squat in many government positions: pentagon, treasury, justice, etc.

They still control the M$M. And they are still raking in the bucks.

[Ohio Joe]

14. I've been hearing it for years, my reaction remains the same

Thats a pretty tall story, got any evidence?

[foreigncorrespondent]

18. Faint!

All of us here can agree on something I am sure... and that is the whole truth of what happened that day regardless of who's side we stand on has never come out... so I reckon I would faint if the day ever came where the entire truth of that day comes to light.

[704wipes]

19. I suppose it will come out

right after we get the definitive 'truth' about Dallas/63.

[ailsagirl]

Hear, hear!! I see them as parallels in history

I had always assumed that "someday" the truth about President
Kennedy's assassination would come out-- how naive I was!! It's
going on 50 years (46) and the gov't's official position is still
that LHO was the lone gunman.

Right

[icee2]

33. You don't really expect the government to admit the truth that...

* JFK's murder was an inside job (though the gov't did admit there was a conspiracy)

* 9/11 was an inside job

* Ft. Hood involved far more than a lone nut

* Okla. city was an inside job

etc.

Do You?

[ailsagirl]

34. I had thought, once upon a time, that the truth always surfaces

But no-- now that I'm older, I know that it never will.
(I don't know anything about Ft. Hood re what you wrote--
not a lone nut?) Am I surprised?? Nope.

And don't forget John Lennon's death.
And RFK's
Martin Luther King
and Malcolm X
and on and on and on

[mother earth]

20. I wouldn't be surprised one bit, I know much of the resistance

to 911 being LIHOP or MIHOP is because no one wants to believe that loved ones or citizens lost their lives to a corrupt gov't entity, but what they forget is that much of what happens in the world is manufactured, by terrorists of one sort or another, ours was def. within...my only question would be was it LIHOP or MIHOP. I think they LIHOP and helped it be as destructive as they could make it. You cannot fight the engineering/scientific facts. Sorry, they are undeniable.

One also has to ask oneself why would the gov't not give us a proper commission to put to rest all of the questions? The 911 Commission was at first denied and refused, and then you have a president who didn't want to testify alone and as I recall didn't Cheney refuse to testify under oath? Please, the only thing sillier, is to believe that for once in his life Cheney was truthful.

And another thing, have you ever read Sibel Edmonds story? Obviously, you need to check that out.

[SDuderstadt]

21. Neither Bill Clinton nor Al Gore testified under oath either....

does that sound nefarious to you also?

With all due respect, I despise Bush, but the evidence for LIHOP or MIHOP simply isn't there.

[defendandprotect]

28. Thank you --

I'd also add that perhaps we didn't have quite the loss of lives that we think

we had.

At least half of the planes don't seem to exist -- given Shanksville and Pentagon.

And given American Airlines telling us that Flight #11 and #77 were not scheduled to

fly on 9/11.

And, there is much evidence that the WTC towers were EVACUATED early in the morning

and people refused entry. It looks like the financial firms on the upper floor called

for evacuation which applied to all of the WTC including the second tower.

I'm not saying there were no intended and unintended victims -- but I am saying that we don't

really know yet the truth about all of this MIHOP.

Yes -- I do try to stay up on what Sibel Edmonds has to say and think the corruption and

buying of government is probably even much greater than she is able to report from her

experience which is quite substantial!!!

[KDLarsen]

23. I'll let you know once I finish my latest batch of books

Amazon finally decided to dispatch my order of books, so hopefully I'll be a step closer to understanding the events that lead to, took place on and what happened after the 9/11 attacks.

The booklist:
Firefight by Patrick Creed and Rick Newman
The 9/11 Commission Report
The bin Ladens by Steve Coll
The Ground Truth by John Farmer
The Looming Tower by Will Wright
Touching History by Lynn Spencer


And I have Without Precedent by Kean/Hamilton on backorder.

[rschop]

24. Reading list in order to be able to put the account of 9/11 back together

KDLarsen, to your list, I would recommend the additional following books and reports:

The Joint Inquiry report on 9/11, the 9/11 Commission report, the DOJ IG report, the CIA IG report, the account of FBI Agent Ali Soufan by Lawrence Wright, the web site for the Moussaoui trial, with all of the defense exhibits, and the book "State of Denial" by Bob Woodward. You can put the entire story on 9/11 from just these books and reports.

You can get all but the "State of Denial" at no cost off of the internet. If you don't want to buy the "State of Denial", all you need is the information on the meeting in the White House between Tenet and Black and Rice and Clarke on July 10, 2001, and you can get all of the information on this meeting off of the internet.

To put this account back together, build a detailed time line from the DOJ IG report, this is the most complete report on 9/11, particularly the interaction between the CIA and FBI, and then fill in the holes from the other reports, the account of Soufan being the most important and complete for doing this. Most of the information in the account of Ali Soufan is completely missing from the other reports, even very the mention of Soufan, who was lead FBI investigator on the Cole bombing.

You can use the information that comes off of the Moussaoui trial web site for the exhibits entered into this trial as even more proof of your conclusions. See http://www.vaed.uscourts.gov/notablecases/moussaoui/exhibits/. The following exhibits are the most important:

DE #939 Substitution for the testimony of John, aka CIA Deputy Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit, Tom Wilshire. This proves that Wilshire and even the CIA management knew in July 2001 that Mihdhar would take part in the next big al Qaeda terrorist attack, and that Wilshire and FBI Agent Dina Corsi were told on August 22, 2001 that both Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US. At this point both Wilshire, and most likely Corsi knew these terrorists were inside of the US in order to take part in a catastrophic al Qaeda terrorist attack.

DE #448, this is the NSA release approved by the NSA on August 27, 2001 for FBI Agent Dina Corsi, a release approved even before she told FBI Agent Steve Bongardt on August 28, 2001 that he could not investigate and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi because she did not have a written release from the NSA.

DE #681 Email from Corsi to John Liguori, the FBI manager that accidentally gave Corsi's EC to Bongardt on August 28, 2001, with the information on Mihdhar and Hazmi. In this email Corsi says this information cannot be given to Bongardt because the information had not been approved to be shared with FBI criminal investigators when in fact she had already gotten approval two days before on August 27, 2001 from the NSA to give this exact information to "the FBI Cole investigators in New York".


DE #682 is the email FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi sent to Bongardt, the lead US investigator on the Cole bombing on August 29, 2001, telling him he cannot investigate and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi because of the "wall", when at this point Corsi already has the NSA release and even knows that Mihdhar and Hazmi had actually taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000. Because Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in a crime, the Cole bombing, the wall no longer applied to any information on either Mihdhar and Hazmi, and both the CIA and FBI HQ were aware of this.

In this email she claims that she and Rod, (Rod Middleton, her boss), had talked to the NSLU the day before, on August 28, 2001, and were told their advice to Bongardt on August 28, 2001 was accurate, that Bongardt was not allowed to take part in any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi because of NSA restrictions of this information. But according to page 538, footnote 81 in the 9/11 Commission report, Sherry Sabol, the attorney Corsi had contacted, tells DOJ IG investigators on November 7, 2002, that she did not give Corsi this advice but told Corsi that Bongardt could take part in any investigation and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi since the NSA information was not connected to any FISA warrant. Bongardt at this time was unaware that both Corsi and Middleton knew that the CIA had been hiding the photograph of Khallad Bin Attash, mastermind of the Cole bombing, taken at Kuala Lumpur from him and his team of Cole bombing investigators to make sure he would not have sufficient evidence to start any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi. Incredibly, according to the DOJ IG report, Middleton was actually given this photograph of Khallad taken at Kuala Lumpur by the CIA the very next day on August 30, 2001, which was the very proof being withheld from Bongardt, that he would have needed to have been able to start any investigation and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi. Almost 3000 people most of them Americans were murdered on 9/11 because of this criminal sabotage of Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

DE #469, this is the actual EC written by FBI Agent Dina Corsi that accidentally went to Bongardt on August 28, 2001. Reading this EC is absolutely chilling, when you realize that almost 3000 people were about to die because this EC and the information behind this EC was criminally withheld from FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his team.

[defendandprotect]

25. I do feel it was an "inside job" . . . however, while I do agree that

there are many here intending to distract from the obvious truths --

and perhaps some sent here to do so --

I don't think they are anything but people assisting their cause . . .

I doubt they truly know all the details of this ugly affair.

From the "actors" involved in pushing the "fire" as an inferno to explain WTC demolition

to the lack of planes at Pentagon and Shanksville, I think many are simply hired help and

many others lied to about the need for their help. You know that "Red Menace" card still

plays, for one diversion... and it looks like the Evangelists will believe just about

anything --!!!

[Name removed]

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[ailsagirl]

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[icee2]

35. Laugh even louder at the TCs as they arrogantly refuse to apologize...

and defer to their favorite magician for some kind of Hail Mary Trick play that will cause the truth to disappear on a cloud of
stale cigar smoke.

[jschurchin]

36. Chances are I will

drop over dead. Because, to be honest, we have zero chance of being told the truth. It's just not the American Way. We have to go oversees to find the truth and no one will believe them.