Sibel Edmonds and 9/11 coverup

[pberq]

http://baltimorechronicle.com/121704Hogue.shtml

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It is fair to say that the Bush administration, through the efforts of Attorney General John Ashcroft, has confirmed its complicity in the 9/11/01 attacks.

In his legal appeal to Judge Reggie Walton to silence FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds, Ashcroft has inadvertently, through the very language of the appeal, provided eloquent proof of treason and misprision of treason within the highest levels of government.

Their refusal to release the report of the Inspector General, and their original gag order to “block discovery in a lawsuit of any information that, if disclosed, would adversely affect national security” raises obvious questions (still unasked by the mainstream and progressive media) as to WHO is being protected. The gag order itself provides the answer to another obvious question (still unasked by the mainstream and progressive media) as to WHY the gag order was sought.

In Ms. Edmonds' unimpeachable testimony to the Senate Judiciary Committee almost three years ago, she named countries and people who had contributed to the attacks of 9/11. At the time, the FBI had evidence from Colleen Rowley, The Phoenix memo, and other FBI translators. Twenty-five more whistleblowers have joined them. Who would be damaged by the release of the reports? Who is being protected?

[The Backlash Cometh]

1. Am I mistaken, or did this article just reveal the names of the culprits?

These sources have uncovered, either through personal knowledge or exhaustive investigations, the same names and countries that Ms. Edmonds may not disclose. Nor may she confirm such reports. But common knowledge of the journey of heroin from Afghanistan to Western Europe to the US provides a road map. On that map are the countries of Azerbaijan, Uzbekistan, Turkmenistan, Kazakhstan, Tajikistan, Pakistan and Turkey. In the documents are names like Atta, Ahmad, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, Dostum, Khalilzad, and Bin Laden; and groups like Al Qaeda, the ISI of Pakistan, and the Taliban. The names of companies like Enron, Halliburton, Bechtel, Unocal, and Bin Laden Group appear connected to the off-shore banks that hide money for three infamous families: Marcos, Bush, and Bin Laden. And the same names, like Bush, Cheney, Rice, Bin Laden, Zelikow, Woolsey, and Giffen, intersect in the perpetration of unspeakable atrocities in the quest of empire and power.

Er...isn't this enough to launch a complaint? Or am I to believe that our country is now controlled by...malevolent forces?

If so, please, oh, please, after all the generations of Americans that have come to the aid of other countries, please, someone come and save us now. Canada? Poland? Anyone?

[DulceDecorum]

4. In other news....

[Nordic]

10. Yeah. Most people don't have "suicide" in their holiday plans

:eyes:

Journalists used to have balls and they used to work for big newspapers and networks.

[Nothing Without Hope]

2. THIS is what would bring down the cartel...and they know it

Of all the scandals, known and secret, of this administration, the truth about 9/11 is the most damaging of all. If what Sibel Edmonds knows, plus what else investigation could reveal, were to come out, no coverup could ever prevent the explosion.

Oh, let this truth be fully heard. Soon.

[The Backlash Cometh]

3. Certainly would be a reason to fix an election and to destroy the

Dem party. Dems need to stand strong and not buckle under pressure.

[troubleinwinter]

11. "THIS... would bring down the cartel" and yet, we have

561,832,922 pointless "Bev" thread messages, and practically NO interest on DU is pursuing THIS subject and trying to get the CIA report released.

We get messages to "Focus, people!", but does focus mean to watch the guy holding up the gas station and ignore the guy holding up the bank?

I wonder if we are so interested in focusing on the election fraud issue, that we are entirely oblivious to the forest. Watching out for the snake, while ignoring the rhinoceros charging at us.

[Abe Linkman]

12. Focusing on "bev" doesn't require thought -- the 9/11 Scam DOES

The mainstream media and most progressive media all play the part of stenographers to the Official "Cave People Did It" 9/11 Conspiracy Theory. Combine that with the wealth of disinformation agents who flood the Net day and night with propaganda designed to bewilder, confuse, disrupt, and otherwise undermine legitimate evidence that 9/11 really was an inside job, and it's no wonder that most people would rather focus on personalities and "celebrities".

[troubleinwinter]

13. Egggsactly. Sometimes I have to read and re-read these things

to try to understand them. "It's hard work"! It's WHY I wanted it discussed here, to help me understand more of it.

But... there's the whole 200 post thread on what message to write on yer dollar bills, ya know.

I do wish there was more discussion on this, because I am trying to understand why the CIA report is not released, when it has not been deemed a security issue.

I asked a very highly respected progressive journalist about this today. He said that he thinks it got buried under the Goss purge, and likely will never come out.

I am just amazed by this. I guess I was expecting the tooth fairy will still visit, and the Easter bunny, too.

[Nothing Without Hope]

14. I think it was the main REASON for the Goss purge (n/t)

[troubleinwinter]

5. What about this unreleased CIA 9-11 report???

An article by Will Pitt:

http://www.truthout.org/docs_04/102004V.shtml

[troubleinwinter]

21. Too late to edit, wrong author, should be Robert Scheer

[Tace]

6. I See Now That Bushco Will Be Taken Down By The Rest Of The World

Just as the world allied to stop the Third Reich and Japanese imperialism, it would seem that the Fourth Reich faces a similar fate.

[tngledwebb]

31. Hope and pray the rest of world acts faster than we did

coming to their aid in WW I and WW II, and will forgive or forget all our subsequent sins.

[troubleinwinter]

7. Hope you don't mind, I posted a link to this thread in GD

Because I think it is an important discussion.

[Nordic]

8. I, for one, am glad you did that

Hope I can find it now. :)

[troubleinwinter]

9. It has the same original title, and is here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=104&topic_id=2842430&mesg_id=2842430

[Nothing Without Hope]

15. Nominated for the Home Page (n/t)

[Nothing Without Hope]

16. kick - this needs much more attention (n/t)

[troubleinwinter]

17. It DOES need more attention!!! The forum is not a frequently visited one!

[Abe Linkman]

18. Why do you think that is?

"The forum is not a frequently visited one!"

[Nothing Without Hope]

19. Needs its own Forum title

From the info at the top of this thread, this appears to be in a subcategory of "Archived and Leftover Forums." Not exactly a visible position. I only saw it because I chanced by as it hit the front page.

I suggest that we ask admin to move the whole topic of the 9/11 investigations and information suppression to its own Forum. It's too important to bury like this. Bad enough to be under the rug in the MSM.

If someone with more posts wants to start a petition to this effect, I'll sign. Or is there some other way these sorts of changes are urged?

[troubleinwinter]

20. I also found it by accident on the front page.

I don't ordinarily visit 9-11/ Military/ Terrorism forum.

The subject is SO much bigger than just those issues. The *admin is burying reports that matter to all of us.

I will go start a new thread in GD, see if I can think of a title that will get folks to look. Now, y'all go over there and post to keep it alive! OK? I'll come back and give the link.

[Nothing Without Hope]

22. Tomorrow I will post on GD about moving this forum

...and I'll include a link to the current thread and anything you post tonight if it attracts replies. I feel that the 9/11 investigations and the quest for exposure should have its own category instead of being buried in such an obscure place at DU. This needs all the support and attention that it can get. If we keep drawing attention to this and arguing for more attention, maybe we can make something happen. Setting up a separate Forum would be a big step. Can you think of anything else we can suggest or do here?

(self-edited to correct sloppy word usage)

[troubleinwinter]

23. Yes, good, thanks! It's not just about 9-11,

it is the cover-up, the reports that we are not able to see, even 'unclassified', that "names names".

[Nothing Without Hope]

24. I agree. Not just the deed, but the coverup.

...and, like Watergate, unraveling the coverup may be the key.

[BlueDog2u]

30. I agree

This discussion deserves to be taken out of the ghetto.

Skinner, can you please help us with this? This subject is going to become more, not less, important in coming weeks and months.

[seemslikeadream]

25. Classified Letters Regarding FBI Whistleblower Sibel Edmonds

>>> The following three letters were recently declared classified, even though they had been considered unclassified since their creation in summer and fall 2002. They regard Sibel Edmonds, the former FBI translator who charges that the FBI's translation service 1) is incompetent and corrupt and 2) received specific warnings about 9/11 before the attacks.

As one step to gag her, the Justice Department refused to let her testify at a civil trial regarding 9/11, invoking the rarely-used "state secret" privilege. Meanwhile, the FBI refused to give Edmonds documents concerning herself, which she requested under FOIA (a court upheld the FBI's refusal). Then the FBI retroactively classified its congressional briefings about Edmonds, including any material resulting from those briefings.

This means that three letters written by Senators Leahy and Grassley are now classified. The first two have been pulled off the Senators' websites, although the third one inexplicably remains online . Edmonds and the Project on Government Oversight have launched separate lawsuits challenging this retroactive classification.

All three letters are reproduced below

http://www.thememoryhole.org/spy/edmonds_letters.htm

[TexasChick]

26. I, for one, hope that she is watching her behind. I'm surprised that with

all the evidence she has, no one has tried to "off" her yet. We are seeing people dropping like flies all around us. Sibel, watch your back and please, find a way to reveal the truth about these PNACers involvement in 9/11!

[Abe Linkman]

27. She's safe, because I believe she actually provides cover for buscho

Isn't she one of the "they may have known or should have known, but didn't take precautions" folks? She doesn't accuse them of engineering
9/11 - so they'll leave her alone. She's actually good for bushco, in that "anyone can make a mistake, and at the very worst, maybe there were some people who could have/should have done more".

[Tim Howells]

29. Wrong! This is a common misconception.

> Isn't she one of the "they may have known or should have known,
> but didn't take precautions" folks? She doesn't accuse them of
> engineering 9/11 - so they'll leave her alone. She's actually good
> for bushco, in that "anyone can make a mistake, and at the very
> worst, maybe there were some people who could have/should have done
> more".

Wrong! This is a common misconception. See for example the
letter cosigned by 25 US Intel, FBI & Military Officers:

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http://pogo.org/m/hsp/hsp-911commission-040913.pdf

"we are referring not to quasi-innocent mistakes caused by
'lack of imagination' or brought about by ordinary 'human
error'. Rather, we refer to intentional actions or inaction by
individuals responsible for our national security, actions or
inaction dictated by motives other than the security of the
people of the United States."

****** QUOTE OFF *****


Also see the Sibel Edmonds interview from the Baltimore
Chronicle:

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http://baltimorechronicle.com/050704SibelEdmonds.shtml

"The most significant information that we were receiving ...
came from counter-intelligence, and certain criminal
investigations, and issues that have to do with money
laundering operations ... money laundering activities,
drug related activities, and terrorist support activities
... And, as I said, they are citing "foreign relations"
{in imposing a gag order} which is not the case, because
we are not talking about only governmental levels. And I
keep underlining semi-legit organizations and following
the money. When you do that the picture gets grim. It gets
really ugly."

....

"Once, and if, and when this issue gets to be, under real
terms, investigated, you will be seeing certain people that
we know from this country standing trial; and they will be
prosecuted criminally."

...

"If they were to do real investigations we would see several
significant high level criminal prosecutions in this country.
And that is something that they are not going to let out.
And, believe me; they will do everything to cover this up."

****** QUOTE OFF *****

Tim Howells

[Abe Linkman]

28. 9/11 insider trading--IF M.E. perps were involved, we'd already have proof

The $15 billion insider trading scam's perpetrators are unknown to the public - and when was the last time YOU heard Commander Bunnypants or
the Attorney General or ANYONE in an Official position even mention the subject?

Wouldn't it make sense that if the U.S. Gov't is innocent of complicity in the attacks of 9/11 (and the strange, historical FIRST-EVER collapse of three steel-framed high-rise buildings allegedly due to fires within them)...if the U.S. Gov't is innocent of 9/11 crimes, then what possible excuse is there for the Gov't to NOT have investigated, identified, and prosecuted the insider trading criminals?

If it was Osama, or people connected to him, it might be understandable, in light of the fact that Osama is a CIA asset. However, without a full and complete investigation, it makes the U.S. Gov't look very, very suspect...like they don't want the world to know who the real perps are.

[Nothing Without Hope]

32. kick - this needs far more attention

Let's keep this topic visible, it's too important to allow it to fade.

And I still say that 9/11 and its investigations and coverups should have a forum of their own.

[tngledwebb]

33. KICK

and see related threads. But watch Rashomon.