Osama official proof

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What is the official proof that Osama bin Laden planned, masterminded, helped out, or was in any way connected to the 9/11 attacks?

I'm having trouble putting together the "official stance"-- I've been looking through cooperativeresearch.net and I haven't found it...

If anyone has a good link, or just some info, that would be great.

Thanks.

[DuctapeFatwa]

1. "No need for evidence, we know he's guilty" George W Bush

I don't have a link, but he said it live on national TV, thus doing more damage to the nation than a thousand planes ever could.

[DulceDecorum]

7. As some day it might happen

that a victim must be found,
I've got a little list, I've got a little list.
http://math.boisestate.edu/gas/mikado/webopera/song05a.html

[toddzilla]

2. there is no official proof

he's never taken credit for it, only praised it as an act against us.

this is why the taliban wouldn't hand him over, they demanded proof and we didn't have any. not to say that they would have handed him over if we did have proof, but we didn't produce any so we will never know.

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4. i remember that

about the taliban demanding proof. i've read chomsky pieces in which he says there is no proof. i, personally, don't believe there is valid proof. but i still want to know (because i want to write this up), what is the official line about this?

maybe i have to go back and read one of those god-awful newsweek special issues or something...

[Abe Linkman]

5. Let's be clear about claims of who did it.

If there was ANY proof, you would have heard the media touting it loud and clear. Bunnypants & the rest of his gang would have been on TV day and night. They could have avoided the spectacle of lies and betrayal of trust needed for them to sell the public on invading Iraq.

As it stands, more and more informed people are becoming aware of the uncanny similarities between the 9-11 actions and "Operation Northwoods" that was proposed years ago, but not used until_______.

[Maple]

3. You won't ever find it

The 'proof' has never been published...security ya know...so no one has ever actually seen it.

Bush SAID it was Osama...you are required to take his word for it.

The Taliban asked for proof of his guilt...and said they'd turn Osama over with no problems if they saw it.

Sorry...to this day....nada.

No one has ever seen proof of anything.

The bombing continues.....

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6. ok so what i've got so far

1. the official story is that "we have the proof, and you can't see it, because it's classified."

2. then there's the pre 9/11 circumstancial evidence:
a. supposed call to his mother;
b. assassination of Masoud (of course who knows who did that one)
c.?

3. post 9/11 circumstancial evidence
a. sheik video -- taken 5 months after
b. other videos and audio which i can't keep straight
c. ?

what about connections to atta? (never mind whether atta was responsible or not, or who exactly atta is)

any leads would be appreciated

thanks again

[Maple]

8. There ARE no leads

no proof, nothing.

Even Osama's Saudi friends have said he didn't have the ability to do any of this....one said even baby ducklings wouldn't follow him across the road.....and baby ducklings will follow anybody.

Just Dubya's word...that's all there is.

Personally I think no one is more surprised about Osama's sudden clever and famous 'terrorist' moves...than Osama.

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9. perhaps i didn't make myself clear

i don't think Osama did it. as far as 9/11 is concerned, i put myself squarely in the MIHOP category. you don't have to convince me!

what i am looking for is the OFFICIAL BULLSHIT VERSION-- something like this, which i just found:

"Q. Was bin Laden behind the September 11 attacks?
A. Many in the Arab world are dubious, but investigators have found financial records, communications among al-Qaeda members, and other evidence linking bin Laden to September 11. Moreover, bin Laden and other al-Qaeda operatives have effectively claimed responsibility for the attacks. In a videotape recorded in Afghanistan in November 2001, bin Laden celebrated the strikes on the World Trade Center. “We had notification since the previous Thursday that the event would take place that day,” he said. “We calculated in advance the number of casualties.” In another tape released in April 2002, bin Laden and one of his top deputies were shown kneeling to praise their “great victory” on September 11."
http://www.terrorismanswers.com/groups/binladen2.html#Q15

if you have any more of this crap, in a summarized form, that's what i want!

thanks

[DulceDecorum]

13. This is the best I can do for now.

Americans do not need much convincing that Osama bin Laden is to blame for the attacks on Washington and New York City. Which is fortunate, because we may never have the forensic comfort of a videotape or signed contract. Clear links are almost impossible to find in shady terrorist networks designed to have none. To make matters murkier, the U.S. government is reluctant to share any evidence it may have. On Friday, White House press secretary Ari Fleischer said publicizing evidence would compromise the investigation: " would like nothing better than to be able to hide where... Click here to purchase the full article
http://www.time.com/time/archive/preview/from_redirect/0,10987,1101011001-175980,00.html

Looking for proof about Osama bin Long-forgotten is like chasing WMD in Iraq.

In this latest rewrite of history, Osama has suddenly lost his beard and grown a mustache, morphing into the Butcher of Baghdad -- or one of the look-alike stand-ins Saddam has been using for public appearances since 1998.
"You can't distinguish between al-Qaida and Saddam when you talk about the war on terror," said President Bush in the Oval Office last week.
http://www.salon.com/news/col/huff/2002/09/30/iraq/

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15. thank you, DulceDecorum

That Time article was just what I was looking for.

[dofus]

10. I remember watching TV back on 911

as we all did, and wondering why no one had claimed responsibility fairly early on. It took no more than 30-45 minutes for Osama's name to be bandied about on most of the networks as the probable brains behind the operation.

[laconicsax]

12. Kinda like Oswald

I remember hearing/reading/watching someting about the JFK assasination and it said that almost immediately after the assasination, Oswald's description was given to the police by an annonymous source.

[DulceDecorum]

16. Someone DID take responsibility

A Palestinian group of some sort.
Then the Palestinians denied it TOTALLY.
And the next thing we know, there was videotape of them dancing in the streets.

Something else they never talked much about.
Afghanistan also condemned the attacks. The Taliban spokesperson said he was sorry for the people of America and hoped that whoever had done it would be brought to justice.
Afghanistan was bombed within hours and the US says that it wasn't them.

From what I have been given to understand, Ehud Barak appeared within the BBC studios (he just so happened to be passing by) within MINUTES of the first plane hitting the WTC. According to my sources, he was there when the second plane hit and it is HE who said that Osama bin Laden was the guilty party.
I have been unable to confirm or refute or provide links attesting to this for quite some time now. There is a gap in the record. So this only counts as an unconfirmed rumor.
Sorry Charlie.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1544810.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/events/newsnight/1613971.stm
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/static/in_depth/americas/2001/day_of_terror/
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/in_depth/world/2001/war_on_terror/default.stm

Family of John O'Neil alleges links between Bin Laden and Iraq
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_topic&forum=102&topic_id=116660

Perhaps that thread might provide some more info for your search.

[laconicsax]

11. There is no official proof

only circumstantial evidence. The "suspected ringleader" (Atta) was known Al-Qaida. The FBI says that the identities of the 19 hijackers were stolen, so they don't really know who were on the planes. If your key piece of circumstantial evidence is bullshit, then the rest of the case is a little more than shaky.

From what I remember reading, none of the 19 hijackers were on the passenger manifests, and it's been proven that at least 7 weren't even on the planes. There hasn't been any explanation of how none of the 19 hijackers are on the passenger manifests (or anyone with an Arab-sounding name)

Info:
http://www.worldnewsstand.net/2002/special/2-5A.htm has passenger manifest lists.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/hoax.html for a good background and other links.

[RH]

17. There hasn't been any explanation of how none of ....

because they were on the manifests.

:hi:

Wake up. Catch up.

The existence of people with similar identities elsewhere does not possibly prove that the moot individuals were not aboard the planes.

Their remains were discovered. Some were matched to DNA samples from steering wheels and hotel rooms:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/2808599.stm

The alleged hijackers' seat numbers and various details of ticket purchases and reservations were published in news reports.

See also e.g.
http://www.ljworld.com/section/kued2002h/story/103037

If others would rather have us believe that the entire investigation was faked then it falls to them to prove it. Incessantly repetitious displays of ignorance don't cut the mustard.

[Abe Linkman]

14. Don't worry, soon the O.Version Choir members will explain ...

that all you need to know is that "they" did it. Just wait a few hours. I'm sure we'll hear from some of the people who know exactly who did it, how, why, and they'll provide evidence. Just be patient. I'm as surprised as the next person that one of 'em hasn't jumped in here with a plausible scenario, like: "the terroists did it and were able to, because of Official negligence and incompetence." See? That satisfy you? Me neither. But that's all you'll get, because the Official Version is horsepucky and the perps thought they had done a good enough job of setting up the Patsies to take the hit. And, you know what? For most Americans, the frame-up worked, didn't it. Anyone who questions the Official Version is quickly demonized and baited - the better to get rid of them, and their pesky questions, too.