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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 10:01 AM
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Bush and Cheney asked Daschle not to investigate September 11 attacks.


Smirko and Sneer asked then-Senate majority leader Tom Daschle not to investigate the attacks of September 11:



Bush asks Daschle to limit Sept. 11 probes

WASHINGTON (CNN) --President Bush personally asked Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle Tuesday to limit the congressional investigation into the events of September 11, congressional and White House sources told CNN.

The request was made at a private meeting with congressional leaders Tuesday morning. Sources said Bush initiated the conversation.

He asked that only the House and Senate intelligence committees look into the potential breakdowns among federal agencies that could have allowed the terrorist attacks to occur, rather than a broader inquiry that some lawmakers have proposed, the sources said

Tuesday's discussion followed a rare call to Daschle from Vice President Dick Cheney last Friday to make the same request.

"The vice president expressed the concern that a review of what happened on September 11 would take resources and personnel away from the effort in the war on terrorism," Daschle told reporters.

CONTINUED...

http://archives.cnn.com/2002/ALLPOLITICS/01/29/inv.terror.probe



Never send a monkey out to do a traitor's job:



Daschle 'concerned' over Sept. 11 report

UPI ^ | Mark Benjamin and Nicholas M. Horrock
Posted on Thursday, May 16, 2002 3:57:47 PM by Dallas

WASHINGTON, May 16 (UPI) -- The most senior Democratic lawmaker said Thursday he was "gravely concerned" that President George W. Bush was warned of possible terrorist airline hijackings before Sept. 11, because the White House had given the impression the attacks that day came as a complete surprise.

"It clearly raises some important questions that have to be asked and have to be answered," said Sen. Tom Daschle, D-S.D.

Daschle called on the White House "today" to release documents and a transcript of that briefing as well as the text of a July 2001 memo from the FBI's Phoenix field office recommending an investigation into foreigners training at U.S. flight schools because of links of some such students to indicted terrorist mastermind Osama bin Laden.

SNIP...

Senate Judiciary Committee Chairman Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., this week sent 19 pages of questions to Bush administration officials, mostly for Mueller, about U.S. intelligence actions prior to the Sept. 11 attacks.

The questions posed by Leahy seek facts about:
    -- How the FBI handled the July 2001 Phoenix memo.

    -- Information on the August 2001 arrest of Moussaoui, the alleged "20th hijacker," particularly FBI efforts to obtain information from Moussaoui, his computer and his apartment.

    -- Facts about a warning from French intelligence officials at least 10 days before Sept. 11 that Moussaoui had connections to radical Islamic extremists.

    -- News reports that in 1995 Filipino authorities warned the FBI that a Middle Eastern pilot trained at a U.S. flight school had proposed crashing a jet into federal buildings.

    -- How the FBI handled information that potential terrorists had taken advantage of U.S. flight schools. The FBI confirmed for United Press International this week that some individuals mentioned in the July 2001 Phoenix memo were not involved in the Sept. 11 attacks and are still under investigation.

Sen. Bob Graham, D-Fla., the Senate Intelligence Committee chairman, is also seeking a personal meeting with Attorney General John Ashcroft, for this week if possible, to demand "cooperation with enthusiasm" instead of "cooperation out of grudging necessity" on that committee's investigation. Republicans on the committee agree with Graham.

SOURCE: http://www.upi.com/Top_News/2002/05/16/Daschle-gravely-concerned-by-9-11-report/UPI-20151021569515/



Isn't that what crooks and gansters do -- intimidate those who can investigate their crimes from learning the truth?

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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 10:11 AM
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1. Edit: Disregard
Edited on Fri Nov-27-09 10:21 AM by KDLarsen
Forgot about the congressional investigation prior to the 9/11 Commission.

In any case, what's the news?
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 10:21 AM
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2. You must be Funes.
It's like you have a clock built into your head, or something.

The point of my posting "old news," or "history" as I like to call it, is that Bush and Cheney still haven't explained why they put pressure on Daschle during the short time the Democrats controlled the Senate. What is their rationale for opposing the investigation? Do you know?

Here's some more important history: Once Paul Wellstone was dead, the pukes got control of the Senate -- and with it any chance of Democrats leading an investigation independent of Bush-Cheney control while the information was new and the trail was still visible. More old news: The same thing happened with Lyndon Johnson and the Warren Commission.

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BeFree Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jul-23-11 10:43 PM
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15. Kicking for history n/t
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icee2 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 11:28 AM
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3. Interesting info about the anthrax attacks (today in DU)
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 11:58 AM
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4. Wow! Daschle, himself, intimidated Congreff to go along with USA PATRIOT Act.
Odd how it was only the liberal Democrats who were targeted.



Why Daschle and Leahy?

It's the question no one in Washington or the media wants to publicly examine: Why were two high-profile Democrats targeted by the anthrax mail terrorist?


By Anthony York
Wednesday, Nov 21, 2001 16:10 PST
Salon.com

The anthrax story returned to the front pages last week, when it was revealed that another leading Democratic senator was mailed a letter containing the deadly bacteria. Sen. Patrick Leahy, D-Vt., was the second prominent Democrat to be targeted, following Senate Majority Leader Tom Daschle. But so far, no Washington officials or media commentators seem willing to publicly ask the question that is quietly nagging many people on Capitol Hill: Were Democrats specifically targeted for anthrax attacks? And given growing evidence that they were, why is no one talking about it?

On Tuesday traces of anthrax were also found in the Senate offices of Ted Kennedy, D-Mass., and Christopher Dodd, D-Conn. But the Associated Press reported that officials suspect the anthrax got into Dodd and Kennedy's offices through contact with either the Leahy or Daschle letters. To date, there's no evidence that either Dodd or Kennedy was directly targeted.

So far anthrax traces have been found in 13 senators' offices -- both Democrats and Republicans -- besides Daschle's suite, the only place on Capitol Hill where an anthrax letter was actually opened. But the only two senators who have actually been sent letters containing anthrax are prominent Democrats; to date, no Republican politicians have been directly targeted. (Traces of anthrax were discovered at an off-site White House mail screening facility in October. The bacteria were found on a mechanical mail-opening device, but no anthrax was found on any of the mail itself.) And there's been a remarkable silence about that fact -- from the media, from investigators, and even from the Democratic senators themselves.

While there has been much media speculation that the letter to Leahy increases the odds that the letters were sent by a domestic terrorist, media reports all tiptoe around exactly what makes that more likely: The fact that the anthrax letters were sent to Democratic leaders and the media, groups that right-wing extremists tend to have a grudge against. The inclusion of the conservative New York Post on that list could be used to undercut the notion that the anthrax letters represent an assault against liberals, but there's been almost no analysis of the possible political motives behind the attacks.

CONTINUED...

http://archive.salon.com/politics/feature/2001/11/21/anthrax/index.html



Thank you for the heads-up, icee2. Interesting to see intimidation exposed. Going-along to get-along didn't do Daschle any good, in terms of his political life. Thank goodness for Feingold and Obey and all good people with backbones.
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MinM Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 01:01 PM
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5. One month after 9/11, McCain attempted to link Anthrax to Iraq
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/01/mccain-anthrax-iraq/
On October 18, 2001, McCain appeared on the Late Show with David Letterman. When asked how the war in Afghanistan was progressing, McCain volunteered that the invasion of Iraq would be the “second phase” of the War on Terror. He preyed on the public’s fear at the time by claiming that the anthrax “may have come from Iraq”:

LETTERMAN: How are things going in Afghanistan now?

MCCAIN: I think we’re doing fine …. I think we’ll do fine. The second phase — if I could just make one, very quickly — the second phase is Iraq. There is some indication, and I don’t have the conclusions, but some of this anthrax may — and I emphasize may — have come from Iraq.

LETTERMAN: Oh is that right?

MCCAIN: If that should be the case, that’s when some tough decisions are gonna have to be made...

When 9/11 happened, how did they know it was al Qaeda so quickly??
http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x144008#270623
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 08:46 PM
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11.  anthrax attacks
Dan Rather
Tom Broke all.
So Lay he,
Let's Dash all - -
We're on our way
to Salt Lake City Utah.
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AndyA Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 01:36 PM
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6. If you were in charge during the worst terrorist attack in the country's history,
it makes no sense that you wouldn't want an investigation unless you knew what that investigate would uncover. Obviously, Bush and Cheney were protecting someone. Likely themselves.

I think it still needs to be investigated, way too many systems fell apart that day, all at the same time. Way too much of a coinidence. Why, it couldn't have been planned better... :eyes:
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 02:06 PM
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7. Of course you wouldn't want an investigation
to discover that you were the one who ordered the attack.
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Octafish Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 02:09 PM
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8. Here’s some of the evidence of Bush administration pre-attack awareness...
As you and many good DUers know, AndyA, Smirk-n-Sneer were protecting their own pimply backsides.



Why would Osama bin Laden want to kill Dubya, his former business partner?

By James Hatfield

Editor's note: In light of last week's horrific events and the Bush administration's reaction to them, we are reprising the following from the last column Jim Hatfield wrote for Online Journal prior to his tragic death on July 18:

July 3, 2001—There may be fireworks in Genoa, Italy, this month, too.

A plot by Saudi master terrorist, Osama bin Laden, to assassinate Dubya during the July 20 economic summit of world leaders, was uncovered after dozens of suspected Islamic militants linked to bin Laden's international terror network were arrested in Frankfurt, Germany, and Milan, Italy, in April.

German intelligence services have stated that bin Laden is covertly financing neo-Nazi skinhead groups throughout Europe to launch another terrorist attack at a high-profile American target—his first since the bombing of the USS Cole in Yemen last October.

According to counter-terrorism experts quoted in Germany's largest newspaper, the attack on Dubya might be a James Bond-like aerial strike in the form of remote-controlled airplanes packed with plastic explosives.

SNIP…

In June 1977, Dubya formed his own drilling company, Arbusto Energy ("arbusto" means "bush" in Spanish), in Midland, Texas. Like his father before him, Dubya founded his oil business with the financial backing of investors, including James R. Bath, a Houston businessman whom Dubya apparently first met when they were in the same Texas Air National Guard unit. (Interestingly, both Dubya and Bath were both suspended from flying in August and September 1972, respectively, for "failure to accomplish annual medical examination.")

CONTINUED…

http://www.onlinejournal.org/Special_Reports/Hatfield-R-091901/hatfield-r-091901.html



Some more on the Genoa warnings…



Plot to assassinate Bush – reports

MOSCOW, Russia -- Osama bin Laden has threatened to assassinate U.S. President George W. Bush at a G8 meeting in Italy, the head of Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service has said, according to reports.

The Associated Press said Yevgeny Murov was quoted by Itar-Tass news agency as saying: "Bin Laden is threatening the American president, but we know what international terrorism is today and therefore all the bodyguard units concerned are preparing for this.

"We view the threats as totally serious, but hope that with joint efforts we can solve all the problems."

The Group of Eight summit is meeting between July 20-22 in Genoa, Italy. Leaders from Britain, Canada, France, Germany, Italy, Japan, Russia and the United States are expected to attend the summit.

Murov -- Russian President Vladimir Putin's chief bodyguard -- did not elaborate on the threats. He said agents from Russia's Federal Bodyguard Service have travelled to Genoa to coordinate with their counterparts from the other nations taking part in the summit to investigate the threats.

CONTINUED…

http://archives.cnn.com/2001/WORLD/europe/06/20/russia.binladen/



Should be clear that the little turd from Crawford had a fear of someone flying airplanes into buildings.



Missiles to protect summit leaders

Special report: globalisation


Rory Carroll in Rome
Wednesday July 11, 2001
The Guardian

Italy has installed a missile defence system at Genoa's airport to deter airborne attacks during next week's G8 summit, fuelling hysteria about looming violence.
A land-based battery of rockets with a range of nine miles and an altitude of 5,000 feet has been positioned in the latest security measure against perceived threats from terrorists and protesters.

Unidentified planes, helicopters and balloons risk being shot down should they drift too close to the heads of state from the group of seven leading industrialised nations and Russia.

Colonel Alberto Battaglini, of the ministry of defence, said the precaution was not exces sive. "The measure, which was planned by the previous government, may seem open to criticism, but in reality it is merely to act as a deterrent against any aerial incursion during the summit.

CONTINUED…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/globalisation/story/0,7369,519925,00.html



Gee. What was Boosh so afraid of? He won’t tell us, but it would seem he did tell AG Johnny Ashcan…



Ashcroft Flying High

WASHINGTON, July 26, 2001
CBS News

Fishing rod in hand, Attorney General John Ashcroft left on a weekend trip to Missouri Thursday afternoon aboard a chartered government jet, reports CBS News Correspondent Jim Stewart.

In response to inquiries from CBS News over why Ashcroft was traveling exclusively by leased jet aircraft instead of commercial airlines, the Justice Department cited what it called a "threat assessment" by the FBI, and said Ashcroft has been advised to travel only by private jet for the remainder of his term.

"There was a threat assessment and there are guidelines. He is acting under the guidelines," an FBI spokesman said. Neither the FBI nor the Justice Department, however, would identify what the threat was, when it was detected or who made it.

A senior official at the CIA said he was unaware of specific threats against any Cabinet member, and Ashcroft himself, in a speech in California, seemed unsure of the nature of the threat.

"I don't do threat assessments myself and I rely on those whose responsibility it is in the law enforcement community, particularly the FBI. And I try to stay within the guidelines that they've suggested I should stay within for those purposes," Ashcroft said.

CONTINUED…

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2001/07/26/national/main303601.shtml



Too bad Ashcan didn't see fit to warn the American public.



Small world. And very, very bad.
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KDLarsen Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 02:49 PM
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9. Let's see...
In 1977, Osama bin Laden was 20 years old, in college and couldn't care less about the US (that changed in 1990 when the US based troops on what bin Laden considered holy soil, the Arabian peninsula). Besides, he has a huge family (something like 24 siblings), most of whom he was separated from (his mother divorced his father while he Osama was still young, and instead they lived with his mothers new husband). So while Dubya may have recieved funding from the bin Laden family, the connection to Osama bin Laden is doubtful to say the least, and calling him a business partner is downright lying.

Genoa is not North America. And the Russians are and were quite keen on getting focus on terrorism, in order to further their own agenda of labelling any resistance in Chechnya 'terrorism', with the usual harsh crackdown that usually followed such a label.

As the article states on its own, the anti missile system was only meant as a deterrence, in the odd event that someone should get any ideas about flying light aircrafts over the summit event.

And I'll let Ashcroft himself make the necessary comment regarding the final piece
BEN-VENISTE: ...At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack.
Can you supply the details, sir, regarding the threat which caused you to change from commercial to private leased jet?

ASHCROFT: ...Let me indicate to you that I never ceased to use commercial aircraft for my personal travel.

ASHCROFT: My wife traveled to Germany and back in August. My wife and I traveled to Washington, D.C., on the 3rd of September before the 17th -- before the 11th attack on commercial aircraft.

I have exclusively traveled on commercial aircraft for my personal travel; continued through the year 2000, through the entirety of the threat period to the nation.

The assessment made by the security team and the Department of Justice was made early in the year. It was not related to a terrorism threat as a threat to the nation. It was related to an assessment of the security for the attorney general, given his responsibilities and the job that he undertakes. And it related to the maintenance of arms and other things by individuals who travel with the attorney general. And it was their assessment that we would be best served to use government aircraft.

These were not private chartered jet aircraft. These were aircraft of the United States government. And it was on such an aircraft that I was on my way to an event in Milwaukee on the morning of September the 11th.
http://www.nj.com/war/ledger/index.ssf?/news/ledger/stories/20040414_ashcroft.html
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rschop Donating Member (493 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 07:54 PM
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13. Let's see, who is telling the truth!
Edited on Sat Nov-28-09 08:34 PM by rschop
CBS reported on July 26, 2001 that Ashcroft quit flying commercial aircraft. This was just after the July 17, 2001 warning to Ashcroft from CIA Director George Tenet and CIA CTC chief Cofer Black, a warning that indicated that the US was about to be attacked by the al Qaeda terrorists in a catastrophic attack that would cause mass casualties.

"The Justice Department insists that it wasn't Ashcroft who wanted to fly leased aircraft. That idea, they said, came strictly from Ashcroft's FBI security detail. The FBI had no further comment."

But whatever the warning was from Tenet and Black, it was clearly so specific that Ashcroft did not want to fly commercial aircraft during the rest of his term for AJ business.

But Ashcroft was in charge of the FBI. Why did they not have the FBI investigate and prevent this hijacking Ashcroft had been clearly warned about? And what is even a bigger question why did Ashcroft not even think to have the FBI check the aircraft manifest for the aircraft we was to fly on to make sure no al Qaeda terrorist were about to take over his flight.

Instead he flies on private aircraft while the rest of America was never told about this horrific threat and has never been told that they were in immense danger form an aircraft hijacking by the al Qaeda terrorists.

And in less than 2 months after he quits flying on commercial aircraft the US is hit with the biggest terrorists attack in our history, using hijacked aircraft. Clearly this is not just a coincidence.

But the bigger issue is why when all of the main stream media knew about Ashcroft’s change in travel plans, knew that there must have been some horrific threat to travel on US commercial aircraft, why did they not investigate this and get to the bottom of this threat so all of those people killed on 9/11 would not have had to perish in these attacks.

BEN-VENISTE, in questions to John Ashcroft at the April 14, 2001 public 9/11 Commission hearings;

“At some point in the spring or summer of 2001, around the time of this heightened threat alert, you apparently began to use a private chartered jet plane, changing from your use of commercial aircraft on grounds, our staff is informed, of an FBI threat assessment. And, indeed, as you told us, on September 11th itself you were on a chartered jet at the time of the attack. “

“Can you supply the details, sir, regarding the threat which caused you to change from commercial to private leased jet?”

ASHCROFT: “Let me indicate to you that I never ceased to use commercial aircraft for my personal travel.”

But he clearly put out a press statement that said he would fly only on private aircraft for the remained of his term, after the main stream news media found he was no longer flying commercial aircraft due to an "unspecified threat assessment by the FBI".

But what the American people and the two rows of families that had lost their relatives on 9/11 that sat right behind Ashcroft at this hearing wanted to hear was, what was the unspecified FBI threat that Ashcroft had received and had been reported by CBS news and that had made Ashcroft so terrified of an aircraft hijacking that he immediately stopped in the latter part of July 2001 from flying on commercial aircraft inside of the US for AJ business, the bulk of his travel inside of the US?

They didn’t want to hear an excuse that he really was not afraid to fly on US aircraft. And why hadn't he warned the American people of this threat so they could stay safe also?

So now we know that Ashcroft quits flying on US commercial aircraft right after getting this horrific briefing from the top managers at the CIA on this massive al Qaeda terrorist threat and in over 7 ½ years no one has ever come forward to tell the American people exactly what was this “unspecified threat from the FBI" that the press release from Ashcroft’s office had described. The dots are starting to come together.

But this cover up gets worst!

The question was asked by no other then Richard Ben Venista. It was 9/11 Commissioner Richard Ben Venista that was at the official 9/11 Commission meeting with CIA Director George Tenet, and 9/11 Commission staff director Philip Zelikow when Tenet described the July 10, 2001 meeting with Rice and Clarke and the meetings with Ashcroft and Rumsfeld a week later.

Ben Venista not only knew exactly why Ashcroft quit flying on US commercial aircraft when he asked this question at the April 14, 2004, public 9/11 Commission hearings, but even knew that Ashcroft had been misleading and evasive in his answer. Even when he knew Ashcroft had not answered the real question, he never followed up and said, "John we, the 9/11 Commissioners and the Americans people and all of the relatives of those killed on 9/11 want to know;

"What was that unspecified threat from the FBI that was so horrific that you started taking only private aircraft on AG business in late July?"

Ashcroft was misdirecting his answer to a question that had never even been asked, the question; “Did you only fly on private aircraft in the summer of 2001?”

And it is now also clear that the flights Ashcroft took on commercial aircraft were for vacations with his wife, flights he would never have been allowed to have taken on private aircraft at taxpayers’ expense, and on flights that were in large part outside of the US. But not only does Bin Venista know that Ashcroft is misleading in his answers to the 9/11 commission but so does Philip Zelikow, George Tenet and even Condoleezza Rice know that Ashcroft was deliberately misleading in his answers to not only the rest of the 9/11 Commission but to the American public as well, one more example illustrating that the 9/11 Commission hearings were a complete fraud and a total farce!

John Ashcroft was the Attorney General of the United States, in charge of the Justice Department that also was over the FBI. If he knew that a huge al Qaeda attack was about to take place inside of the US that would kill thousands of Americans why did he not order the FBI to find these terrorists before they carried out any terrorist attack?
Since he was in charge of the FBI, why did they not have the FBI investigate and prevent this hijacking Ashcroft had been clearly warned about.

But then it gets even worse, much worse!

It even turns that that at the time Ashcroft was told of this massive al Qaeda attack inside of the US, his own people in the FBI were already aware that a very dangerous al Qaeda terrorist was already inside of the US. One of his key employees, Tom Wilshire, had been moved over as Deputy Chief of the CIA Bin Laden unit to be liaison to Michael Rolince, the head of the FBI ITOS unit. This is the unit it turns out we now know controlled all FBI criminal investigations in the world.

Tom Wilshire already knew on July 17, 2001 when Ashcroft was told about the al Qaeda attack on the US, that a very dangerous long time al Qaeda terrorist, Nawaf al-Hazmi, who at this time was connected to the east Africa bombings that had killed over 200 people including 12 Americans, had already entered the US in order to carry out another al Qaeda terrorist attack, and knew his travel companion, Khalid al-Mihdhar, also connected to this attack, had a multi-entry visa for the US that specified New York City as his destination. Clearly Wilshire knew that Mihdhar had a had a multi-entry visa for the US only in order to enter the US to carry out a al Qaeda terrorist attack inside of the US.

Wilshire even knew as did FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi and the CIA that Mihdhar and Hazmi had attended a al Qaeda planning meeting with Walid Bin Attash, actually planning the Cole bombing. In fact this information was known by FBI HQ Agent Dina Corsi, and CIA officer Clark Shannon when they attended a meeting Corsi and Wilshire set in New York City with the FBI Cole bombing investigators, on June 11, 2001.

At this meeting Corsi presented three photos of Khalid al-Mihdhar that Wilshire had obtained from the CIA, to the FBI Agents on the Cole bombing. Then CIA officer, Clark Shannon, who worked in the very same CIA Bin laden unit that Wilshire had been deputy chief of, asked FBI Agent Steve Bongardt and his Cole bombing FBI investigators if they recognized anyone on the three photographs that Corsi had brought to this meeting, the three photographs of Mihdhar taken at the Kuala Lumpur planning meeting.

Since one photo was a photo of only Mihdhar and Hazmi, the question the CIA wanted answered was had the FBI Cole bombing investigators found out about this al Qaeda planning meeting in Kuala Lumpur and knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi had been at this meeting planning the Cole bombing with Khallad Bin Attash. Bongardt and his team said not only they did not recognize anyone in these photos, but wanted to know why the CIA was asking the FBI Cole bombing investigators about these people in these photos and what did these people have to do with the Cole bombing?

Bongardt and his team were told at this point that the CIA and FBI HQ could not give him and his team any information on these people because of the “wall”. But Corsi, Shannon and Wilshire all knew at this time that Mihdhar and Hazmi were long time al Qaeda terrorists who had been at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting with Khallad Bin Attash actually planning the Cole bombing, a crime, information that clearly was not protected by the “wall”.

The wall only allowed intelligence information that had been obtained by a FISA warrant and/or that was not yet connected to any crime to be temporarily withheld from FBI criminal investigators until the proper procedure was followed to allow this information to be passed over this fictitious “wall”. Not only was it known by the CIA and FBI HQ at the time of the June 11, 2001 meeting that Mihdhar and Hazmi had taken part in the planning of the Cole bombing, the CIA, Wilshire and Shannon even knew that Mihdhar and Hazmi were connected to the east Africa bombings that had killed over 200 people, including 12 Americans, another crime.

It now appears they all had been instructed, by the CIA and CIA officer Wilshire, to keep this information secret from the FBI Cole bombing criminal investigators at this meeting, while Corsi and Shannon tried to find out what the Cole bombing investigators knew about the al Qaeda planning meeting at Kuala Lumpur.

On August 22, 2001 Wilshire and Corsi were both told by FBI Agent Margret Gillespie that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US. We now know that when Wilshire and Corsi were told that Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US, they knew they were here only in order to take part in a massive al Qaeda attack that would kill thousands of Americans. Not only had both the CIA and FBI HQ be given numerous warnings of this attack, Wilshire on July 23, 2001 had sent email back to his CTC mangers, Richard Blee, and Cofer Black, indication that Mihdhar and by association Hazmi would be found at the location of the next big al Qaeda attack.

But not only do both Corsi and Wilshire keep this information completely secret from the FBI criminal investigators on the Cole bombing, but they also continue to keep secret the fact that they both know that the CIA had been deliberately hiding the photograph of Khallad Bin Attash taken at Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting planning the Cole bombing with Mihdhar and Hazmi, to insure that FBI Agent Steve Bongardt, and his Cole bombing investigation never had enough information to start any investigation of Mihdhar and Hazmi.

On August 28, 2001 Bongardt accidentally got Corsi’s EC to start an intelligence investigation of Mihdhar, and from this EC finds out that both Mihdhar and Hazmi are inside of the US. He immediately called Corsi to see if he could start a criminal investigation of Mihdhar with his group thinking that Mihdhar and Hazmi might have been connected to Khallad Bin Attash and the meeting in Kula Lumpur, and knowing that they are clearly in the US to take part in some horrific al Qaeda attack.

But he was told by Corsi, and her boss Rod Middleton, that since the information he would need would have to come from the NSA and the NSA had restrictions on giving this information to FBI criminal agents because it might have been obtained using a FISA warrant, the “wall”, he would not be allowed to start in or take part in any investigation for Mihdhar.

Even in spite of the fact that the wall never actually applied to this information on Mihdhar and Hazmi, Corsi had already been given written permission the day before by the NSA, on August 27, 2001, to give this very information to the FBI Cole bombing investigators, information that Corsi kept secret from FBI Agent Bongardt. When Bongardt protested and said this information did not appear to be connected to any FISA warrant, he requested that Corsi to get a ruling from the NSLU, the legal people at FBI HQ to see if he could take part in the investigation of Mihdhar.

When Agent Corsi asked FBI NSLU attorney Sherry Sabol, on August 28, 2001, whether the NSA information on Mihdhar and Hazmi could be given to the FBI criminal investigators, and if Bongardt could take part in an investigation and search for Mihdhar, Sabol told Corsi that this NSA information could be given to the FBI criminal investigators in New York since it had no connection to any FISA warrant. Sabol further told Corsi that if she was still confused she, Corsi herself, could request a written release from the NSA, unaware that Corsi had already been given a written release two days earlier.

But Corsi told Bongardt on August 29, 2001, that Sabol had ruled just the opposite, and that the NSLU had ruled that he would never be allowed take part in any investigation of Mihdhar, effectively shutting down his last chance to search for and find Mihdhar and Hazmi in time to prevent the attacks on 9/11.

Incredibly Middleton was given the Kuala Lumpur photo of Khallad Bin Attash on August 30, 2001, just one day after Corsi had finally shut down Bongardt’s investigation of Mihdhar. Middleton on August 30, 2001 now had the photographic proof that Mihdhar and Hazmi had been at the Kuala Lumpur al Qaeda planning meeting with Bin Attash planning the Cole bombing, but in spite if this horrific information he never calls Bongardt back to undo the damage he and Corsi have caused by shutting down his investigation and search for Mihdhar and Hazmi.

Clearly Wilshire and Corsi, and even Middleton, knew that their actions in shutting down this investigation, the one investigation on Mihdhar and Hazmi that could have prevented that attacks on 9/11, would result in the deaths of thousands of Americans in the horrific al Qaeda attack they were all aware of.

Since Wilshire had been denied several times by the CIA in July 2001 from providing this very information to the FBI, information that could have prevented these attacks, and many people at the FBI HQ also knew that FBI Agent Corsi had been criminally blocking the investigation of Mihdhar by Bongardt, it is clear that the conspiracy that had allowed the attacks on 9/11 to take placed went well beyond either Corsi and Wilshire and included almost all of the top management at the CIA, and many of the managers at the FBI.

Even John Ashcroft’s own director of the FBI, Louis Freeh, who had been aware that Mihdhar and Hazmi had attended the important al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000, had refused to give this information to FBI Agent Ali Soufan, lead FBI investigator on the Cole bombing and Bongardt’s boss. In November 2000, Soufan had asked Freeh to request from the CIA and George Tenet any information the CIA had on any al Qaeda planning meeting in January 2000 or on Khallad Bin Attash was told by Freeh that the CIA had none of this information when we now know that Freeh himself had been given this very information by the CIA in early January 2000.

This information and these dots that have been connected confirms this that the top managers of the FBI and CIA, and AJ John Ashcroft and even some of the 9/11 Commissioners were actually in on an agreement to hide this information from the American people and to never tell the American people the whole truth at the 9/11 Commission hearings, when they all had been sworn to tell the truth the, whole truth and nothing but the truth.
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icee2 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Nov-29-09 09:25 AM
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14. That was all part of the fairy tale. Ashcroft couldn't tell the truth..
because the truth is that the whole story about him not flying commercial flights was part of the scam. A limited hangout. "Damn.
The MSM has learned that Asscroft was warned not to fly commercial flights. This is devastating and might even cause some of the
public to get mad at us. Fortunately, no real planes crashed on 9/11, so we're safe. Just like Ashcroft always was."
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icee2 Donating Member (261 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Nov-28-09 11:58 AM
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12. Surprised? Impossible. They planned it. n/t
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Torn_Scorned_Ignored Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Nov-27-09 08:43 PM
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10. Exactly why a Truth Commission will not cut it
regardless of the crime being focused on.
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Your first link Octafish, CNN, the only person left in Washington from that story is Lieberman.

I was going to suggest those along with Daschle that were considering a real investigation could possibly be persuaded now.
Lieberman of course drank the koolade so there is no way he'd even remember he was for it before he was against it.

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