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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 04:11 PM
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The ultimate list of famous people who question 9/11
Basically anyone famous, like celebrities, politicians, newscasters, sports figures, etc. I'll start:

Jesse Ventura
Alex Jones
Charlie Sheen
Martin Sheen

I know there are plenty more. Who else?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:17 PM
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1. I always wonder why anyone gives a rats rear end what a famous
person has to say about something they are wholly unqualified to comment on.
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:14 PM
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8. I always wonder why little
insignificant nobodys always kneel at their masters feet and do their bidding for peanuts, or, even worse, for nothing. Must be their submissive, groveling nature.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 05:32 AM
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41. As your master I have one thing to say
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 10:35 AM
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83. Well, I guess we won't have onesmallrock to...
kick around anymore. I kinda miss the little feller.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:20 AM
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95. Because they can get the message out to far more people
Than a plumber.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:26 AM
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97. Well, then...
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 12:26 AM by SDuderstadt
you'd better get more famous people because the word does not appear to be getting out.

Did you guys ever stop to think that this "9/11 was an inside job" bullshit embarrasses liberalism?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:40 AM
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100. Those who question 9/11 aren't all liberals
Many are, but many are also paleo-cons and Libertarians.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:47 AM
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101. What great company...
answer the question.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:10 PM
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124. I can deal with paleo-cons and Libertarians a lot more than neo-cons
I never said I felt it was an inside job, but there are questions that need to be answered. Why is the government hiding the boxes when it's proven they were found?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 07:03 PM
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127. Please prove the "boxes" were found....
also, does it occur to you that if the government could pull off 9/11 (not saying you claim that), they could easily fake the black boxes?
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waldenaut Donating Member (32 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 05:44 PM
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2. David Lynch n/t
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:27 PM
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12. Norm Mineta who was there when
Cheney gave the stand down order, and lived after telling the "omission" about it.
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:29 PM
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13. Ghouliani, who said he was told
the tower was being blown to smithereens before it happened.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-11-09 06:23 PM
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3. Alex Jones?

I would imagine by "famous", you would mean people who are celebrities for reasons other than embracing fringe political ideas.

That's like asking:

"What famous people support the Roman Catholic Church?" and coming up with "The Pope."

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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:22 PM
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11. Donald Rumsfeld who said
a missile hit the Pentagon, and that Shanksville was shot down.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:26 AM
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96. You knew who I was talking about when I mentioned his name
Bet most people on DU have heard of him too.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:45 PM
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117. Yes... as in "That Flaming Nutball, Alex Jones"

He's quite well known for being a nut, and for "The Obama Deception".
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:12 PM
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125. "Quite known" are the keywords
Which is why he was included.

And for your information he attacks Bush more than Obama.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:09 PM
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128. This Guy Is "Quite Known"
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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:13 PM
Response to Reply #125
129. He had more time
With Bush.

He's on a non stop tear against President Obama daily.
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ryan_cats Donating Member (745 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 08:04 PM
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4. What has fame got to with it?
What has fame got to with it? Instead of famous, how about engineers, honest architects, electrical engineers, demolition experts, aeronautical engineers and so forth.

THEY have the knowledge and background to investigate whatever it is you want to know about. How many steel framed buildings has Charlie Sheen designed?

I sure wish Minoru Yamasaki was still alive although I'd bet he would lie in bed night after night wondering if there was something they could have done differently.

Every time I see Leslie Robertson give an interview (one of the engineers on the buildings), he looks devastated. On one show I watched, they made it look like his current office is right over ground zero. I don't know if it really is there or the TV crew just wanted to get a reaction but seeing a building he had a hand in designing destroyed must feel like a sucker punch to the stomach every day.

Famous, Ha, Manson is famous, what does he think?
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:54 PM
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5. how about willie nelson
the red headed stranger. Pretty much anyone with any balls.
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 09:56 PM
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6. Me
I'm famous.. or at least will be as soon as my band, Obros, gets on youtube
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:10 PM
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:17 PM
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9. Cynthia McKinney or
as she will one day be known, Madame President.
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:20 PM
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10. That legislator in Japan
who brought it up in the Diet. Then just had Richard Gage address them a few days ago.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:46 PM
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118. Oh, yeah... that famous guy, whats-his-name... /nt
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SidDithers Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:19 AM
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19. Hahaha....
sweet, sweet comedy gold!

Sid
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:52 PM
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35. I'd respond more completely to this, but...
I can't stop laughing long enough to do so.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 05:13 PM
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126. I wish
She would be an amazing President.
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:34 PM
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14. All the non cowards at
www.PatriotsQuestion911.com lots of high ranking military and intelligence folks there
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pberq Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Jan-04-10 04:31 PM
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137. PatriotsQuestion911 is and excellent resource
Thanks for putting up that link.
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:35 PM
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15. Dennis Kucinich
a true hero
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:35 AM
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99. Does he question it?
Even Ron Paul publicly says he does not think it was an inside job.
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Wed Dec-16-09 10:40 PM
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16. Bob Dylan,
Bruce Springsteen, Ed Asner, Phil Donahue
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:22 AM
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17. Let's not forget
the co-chairs of the comission Kean and Hamilton have both been clear that they were lied to and "set up to fail"
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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:56 AM
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18. Does anyone care?
Who gives a crap what a celebrities view is on any subject? Does it really matter? Are we that in love with the cult of celebrty in America?
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 11:44 AM
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20. Maybe it's not their celebrity but rather their perceived courage

The average person knows it's unwise for them to make waves...at work or in their social life -- EVEN and especially about things
as controversial as possible government involvement in operations that result in immediate loss of lives, and in the case of
9/11, operations that result in the President sending young people off to engage in wars of aggression.

Because of the above, many Americans admire people who speak up and speak out. Celebrities are seen as being more likely to "get away"
with speaking out without risking the high costs others would if THEY were to speak out.

MSM is simply catering to their audience whenever they produce a story about how Joe or Mary Celebrity thinks Bush's version of
what happened on 9/11 is doubtful or worse.
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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 01:47 PM
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21. Courage?
Some celebrity with more money than most of us will see ina lifetime talking about a conspiracy theory is not courage. It's just a sign of someone with to much time on his hands.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:18 PM
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22. That's your opinion.

It takes no courage to spout the (official) conspiracy theory and may well be a sign of either an uninformed speaker, someone
unable or unwilling to question conventional wisdom - even from a liar like Bush/Cheney?Powell, a partisan hack, or simply someone
who lets others do their thinking and they simply defer because they're too insecure to not go with the flow.
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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:31 PM
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23. Oh please
Registering people to vote in the south during the 1960's is courage. Standing in front of a tank in Tinemann Square, that's courage. Taking to the street's of Tehran to protest an oppresive theocracy, that's courage. In all three cases your life could be on the line.

Running your mouth about some idiotic conspiracy theory knowing that you could stop working tommorow and live off the royalties from the various shows and movies you have been in is not courage. It just shows what a d bag you are.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 02:45 PM
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24. You've underestimated their greed & mischaracterized...

the topic in question.

What you call "some idiotic conspiracy theory" is what many people would say is the OCT. People who
spout off about what MSM told them happened on 9/11 do NOT have to be concerned about their career future. Someone whose career
depends on public acceptance and support is unusual if they are willing to publicly disagree with the OCT. People like you might
refuse to ever see another one of their movies or buy one of their CDs.

BTW - Can you name even one TV personality who has questioned ANY conventional political wisdom (9/11 OCT, Bush wars, Patriot Act etc.)?

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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:35 PM
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25. Well, KeithO often appears to question
some aspects of the wars, patriot act etc. Often quite eloquently, at least thats how they read. I don't actually watch MSM TV, but often am made aware of transcripts I might like.

But has he ever even approached 9/11 in a questioning manner? Not sure.

Chandler, nice calm and polite, succinct dismantling of that OTC kool-aid guzzler, we are growing stronger every day and we will win.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 04:44 PM
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27. There are still many talented people whose careers were...

ruined when they were blacklisted during the McCarthy era. I used to live in Toluca Lake, CA where a lot of older actors and
screenwriters live and some of them paid a very high price for being dissenters. Guess who ratted a lot of 'em out?
Ronald Reagan - who was a secret FBI informer and is hated to this day by some people because of what he did to so many good
people who had the temerity to dissent.

You mentioned Olberman, but even he won't question the 9/11 OCT, and Jesse Ventura has only begun speaking out about 9/11 years
AFTER he left public office...but so far, he's only put his little toe in the water! He's no dummy.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:28 PM
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130. My Word, Ventura Might Jeopardize His Booming Entertainment Career! /nt
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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 03:40 PM
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26. OTC? not sure
what that stands for......Only Total Crackpots? Ornery Thickheaded Children?

Open to Craziness?
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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:51 PM
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28. Are you trying.....
To compare celeberties expressing their opinion on 9-11 with those who have put thier lives on the line for what they though was right? Because that's what it sounds like to me? If this is the case then all I have to say is hogwash. Has Charlie Sheen been negativley affected by his opinions? No he has not. And lets say his show were cancelled tommorow becasue of his views, guess what. He will still live a very comfortable life in Malibu living off the royalties. Must suck to be him.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 05:58 PM
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29. No. YOU are the one that's trying to make comparisons.

I've made my point and I'm sorry if you didn't understand it or agree with it, but that's what freedom to dissent is all about, isn't it?
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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:42 PM
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30. Lame point
Trying to make it seem like a millionaire celeb has "courage" expressing a viewpoint.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 06:45 PM
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31. have a nice day
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:45 PM
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33. Yes, it must take a lot of courage...
... to publicly admit that you believe highly implausible things for no good reason. Unless, of course, you don't realize that that's what you're doing.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:09 PM
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36. Sounds like a heartfelt confession - but there's one little problem

"publicly admit" (a web site is hardly public)

But maybe you're one of those secret celebrities who has a special audience that knows you well.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 08:45 PM
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37. Yes, I'm a secret celebrity, but no, that was not a confession
... since I've found a very reliable way to avoid believing highly implausible things for no good reason. Want me to share it with you?
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:19 AM
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94. Obviously you care enough to come in and post
N/T.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:38 PM
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32. The ultimate list of famous people who believe in Scientology
... which is one of the most outrageous piles of bullshit ever concocted:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Scientologists

The "church" has always had a http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientology_and_celebrities">policy of recruiting famous people, since some people (you know who you are) mistake that as a sign of legitimacy. Unfortunately, the list can never become long enough or impressive enough to transform http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xenu">Hubbard's absurd (and expensive) science fiction into reality.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 07:50 PM
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34. Point....Seger...
It'll be game, set and match soon.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:08 PM
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-18-09 02:06 AM
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40. Jesus...
You're kidding, right? You're predicting that people will be hung or beheaded because of your goofy "9/11 was an inside job" bullshit? Really?
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:16 PM
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52. A possible explanation
Among your other interesting qualities you're a paranoid.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-17-09 10:32 PM
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39. Um, Wonder Woman and Spiderman?
"Around 11am, the march headed off. By the time we reached Haight Street, the crowd had swelled to about 15 people."

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3sTcQueB3ek
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:13 AM
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45. "War crimes, torture, illegal rendition, crimes against humanity..." ???
Then, why the hell are you wasting time on idiotic controlled demolition and TV fakery bullshit? Are you really that incapable of rational thought?

> Your heros will be swinging in the breeze...

Fortunately for you, saying "Fuck you, asshole" is against the rules around here.

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netsurfer2 Donating Member (45 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 10:25 AM
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48. Take your medication
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 10:30 AM by netsurfer2
And what do you guys have?
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 12:22 PM
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49. Your "revolution" is already dead, kid
You are the propagandized sheeple, brainlessly swallowing the lies of the "truth movement" because you are unable to deal with reality on a rational level. Your little Clue Club got stuck in the mud years ago by making outrageous claims but having jackshit for reason. Now you're just piling new delusions on top of old ones, including delusions about why most people consider the "truth movement" to be a bunch of crackpots and idiots. There are more people who believe in alien abductions than there are "truthers," because as pathetic as the evidence is for alien abductions, it's actually a stronger case for a more plausible hypothesis than anything you controlled demolition freaks can put together.

> Your desperation is showing and your fear is palpable.

No, Sparky, it's disgust and revulsion. I admit I do worry sometimes that the poor guy talking to himself on the corner might turn violent as I walk by, but it's never stopped me from keeping on walking.

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onesmallrock Donating Member (31 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:17 PM
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50. Another fantasy.....little billie seeger
calls Jesse Ventura a "crackpot and an idiot" to his face....WWE hilarity ensues.....or

a tad more realistic and even possible this afternoon, though equally improbable......little billie seeger looks at www.PatriotsQuestion911, and for each and every career military officer, every current or former Republican/Conservative politician or government employee, every intelligence official....he can tell us ....crackpot or idiot.

Or he can just go away. He and his ilk have just become tiresome.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 04:28 PM
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51. you forgot "amount of questioning being exaggerated" as an option n/t
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:11 PM
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57. I no longer waste much time trying to sort them out
... but in fact a lot of people who are neither crackpots or idiots have been suckered in by people who are. People who lack critical thinking skills -- or who have some reason for not applying them in certain cases -- are easy marks for the kind of propaganda that David Ray Griffin and Richard Gage crank out. It still comes down to WHY they believe what they do, and allow me to point out again that there is no critical mass of True Believers who can turn bullshit into truth.

Sorry, but I suggest that you are the one who should take your nonsense elsewhere. There are any number of boards around the web that serve as conspiracy bullshit swap meets and paranoid support groups, and I promise I won't follow you to any of them.
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LARED Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:21 PM
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53. "soils himself moments before the blade descends"
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 05:24 PM by LARED
Do you by any chance spend lots of time playing video games? I can't tell if your hyper-hyperbole is just metaphoric or if you really envision beheading being reinstituted.
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:27 AM
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98. WW and SM are both American heroes
So I'm not surprised.
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cherokeeprogressive Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 01:51 AM
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44. Jesse Ventura/James Janos is a lying tool. His credibility is ZERO.
REAL Navy SEALS laugh at him for claiming to be a SEAL, when what he was amounted to being a UDT member, BEFORE they UDT's were merged with the SEALS by almost TEN YEARS.

Jesse/James claims to have "hunted man". Strange, he didn't earn a COMBAT RIBBON in Vietnam.

Which "men" would he have hunted? Disbursing Clerks? Cooks?

Personally, as a veteran with an Expeditionary Medal, I'd like to say that I wouldn't piss in his mouth if his teeth were on fire.

MTV got him elected to the governorship. They MIGHT have been able to keep him there IF he wasn't a bald-faced LIAR.
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procopia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 05:31 PM
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54. Does it bother you that promoters of the OCT are lying tools?
Bush and Cheney have ZERO credibility. Does that bother you?
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 06:58 PM
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55. Um.... virtually NOTHING we know about 9/11 COMES from Bush and Cheney
:eyes:
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:08 PM
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56. True, but it's what we DO know from them that makes so many...
question the whole story. Bush and Cheney learned from Reagan in Iran Contra that it's not smart to say much of
anything, and certainly not under oath or in the presence of a tape recorder or stenographer.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:14 PM
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58. Neocons are evil
There is no greater evil than starting a war, IMO. However, "neocons are evil, therefore the twin towers were brought by controlled demolition" is about as idiotic as an argument can get.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:25 PM
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59. That's a new one to me.

I've never heard anyone try to make that case. Has anyone here posted such a case? If so, I'd like to see it if you
know where it is.
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William Seger Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:27 PM
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66. onesmallrock just made that implicit argument upthread
... in a post that's now deleted.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:40 PM
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69. Well, I commend you for having found one person who made...

that argument (implicitly, not even directly, according to you) in a post which is now deleted.
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procopia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 11:37 PM
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76. You don't really know that, but they are OCT promoters, nevertheless
Edited on Sat Dec-19-09 11:45 PM by procopia
Bush wrote in his diary on 9/11, "“The Pearl Harbor of the 21st century took place today…. We think it’s Osama bin Laden.”
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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:38 AM
Response to Reply #76
78. Even assuming what you say is true
Bush didn't write "... We're telling them it's Osama bin Laden".
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procopia Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:34 AM
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80. Bush laid the OCT groundwork in his speech on 9/11
Edited on Sun Dec-20-09 09:38 AM by procopia
In his 9/11 speech, Bush said America was attacked by terrorists because of its freedom. How did he know so quickly it wasn't a domestic attack? After all, the OKC Murrah bombing was a domestic attack just few years earlier.

He also said, "We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them," giving them free rein to attack any country they arbitrarily chose to.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:53 AM
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81. Maybe he was talking (truthfully) about U.S. policy

"Bush said America was attacked by terrorists because of its freedom."
(justifying the hacking of our nation's Bill of Rights by scaring Congress into passing the so-called Anti-Terrorism Act)


"We will make no distinction between the terrorists who committed these acts and those who harbor them,"
(justifying the right of US to arbitrarily launch opportunistic attacks/wars on any country on the globe)


In that speech, I believe that Bush was being more honest than he is generally thought to be.


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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:50 PM
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60. Daniel Sunjata
the star of the hit tv series Rescue Me. I'm surprised he hasn't been mentioned yet. he's done several episodes of the show where his character, a NY firefighter, slams the official version of 9/11. and its not just a one time deal. his questioning of the official story is an on-going theme of the show that is dealt with in a serious, compelling manner in several episodes. he's probably the most famous 9/11 truther after Charlie Sheen and a great speaker for the truth movement.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 07:58 PM
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61. the "star" of the hit tv series Rescue Me? Does Denis Leary know about this? n/t
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:09 PM
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62. He is credited as one of the stars of the show
Starring

Denis Leary
Diane Farr
Adam Ferrara
Mike Lombardi
James McCaffrey
Jack McGee
Tatum O'Neal
Steven Pasquale
Andrea Roth
John Scurti
Daniel Sunjata
Larenz Tate
Callie Thorne
Dean Winters
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:14 PM
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63. Do you notice how that list is alphabetically sorted by last name - except for one name? n/t
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:18 PM
Response to Reply #63
64. Congrats
you get the nitpicker of the month award.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:20 PM
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65. All I ask is you be factually accurate.
I don't understand why you find this so difficult. You are after the truth, right? Truth requires factual accuracy. It's part of the definition, you know.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:28 PM
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67. Sorry I'm not an expert on television trivia
as you seem to be. I don't even have cable TV. the few episodes I've seen of the show have all been over the internet. but we aren't here to debate television trivia the last time I checked.
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:39 PM
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68. I used to be an actor and I manage to keep up with the industry.
And you would never hear Sunjata refer to himself as "the" star of Rescue Me. A star, maybe, or one of the cast, more likely. But Denis Leary is "the" star.

If you're not here to debate television trivia, why are you bringing up television stars to support your silly theories at all? Another example of a fortuitous promotion by someone seeking to make their position sound as reputable as possible. Just get your facts straight, and you won't have to fudge the resumes of the people who agree with you to sound good.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:53 PM
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71. Well, you're the big expert on show business etiquette
not me. lol.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:07 PM
Response to Reply #68
73. What are some of the TV shows/movies that you acted in? nt
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 10:36 PM
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74. Let's see there were so many.
Ever catch "Pauline and the Tale of the Perilous Kitchen"?
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 09:56 AM
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82. One non-existent movie? Doesn't sound like much of a career.

"Ever catch "Pauline and the Tale of the Perilous Kitchen"?"
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OnTheOtherHand Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:58 AM
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86. and that really casts his statement about the star of Rescue Me into qu--
Oh, wait. It's completely irrelevant.

Huh. How about that?
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:22 PM
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88. Amazing, isn't it?
Nowhere did I claim to be famous, or that my career ever amounted to much at all. In fact, listing that tiny credit is a wry admission that I attained no notable heights in that part of my life. Yet chandler choose to mock me as if I did.

It's just amazing to watch, sometimes.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:43 PM
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89. Nope

You claimed credit for an appearance in what logically must be only an imaginary production that you made up. I googled it, but nothing came up, and since you didn't find it convenient to say whether it was a movie or TV show, and given there's no record of any such a title, I can only conclude what I posted.

N.B. - I googled the name of the production you stated, not "bolo boffin".
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 06:49 PM
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90. Because you can't find it on the Internet, it must be imaginary.
Is that going to be your final answer?
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 07:32 PM
Response to Reply #90
91. Nope. It must be imaginary because you haven't provided any

evidence that it is real and not just something you made up. I said I didn't find it thru google. I can clearly see what's
right here -- on the internet/
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 07:38 PM
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92. Yawn. Well, for further discussion of this, we need to take this over to the Bolo Boffin forum.
Oh, there's not one of those here?

Perhaps you could get back to the actual topic then - which is not me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 07:50 PM
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 08:40 AM
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102. You said you're an actor. YOU raised the topic, then

you didn't like my response, so you got it deleted. That's pretty petty.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 08:56 AM
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103. I know this sounds crazy...
but nobody other than the mods and admin has the power to delete posts. Bolo Boffin might seem omnipotent, but it's just a facade.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 09:13 AM
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104. Interesting that you say that, but

Now I know why people advise ignoring him. Not doing so is definitely unwise.
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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 10:13 AM
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105. Good advice
You might actually learn something if you listen.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 10:29 AM
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106. You mean

To not show due deference to a well-established, long historical record is to risk being convicted of expressing annoyance if you suggest, in any way, that they may possibly be overstepping, making a mountain out of a molehill, or simply incorrect in their assumptions. To show some sign that you are concerned with anything other than showing them their due deference is risky. That's
how I interpret your post. Now that I know, I certainly understand and agree. I won't PUT him on ignore, but I won't respond to
any more of his bullshit posts either.

Have a rice day.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:39 PM
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 11:58 AM
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107. "Truthers" advise ignoring Bolo because...
he uses facts and logic to deflate their goofy claims, dude. It's not anyone else's fault if you can't marshal facts to win debates, dude.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 11:58 AM
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108. This might be a bit of a stretch...
but you could try staying within the rules established by your membership agreement.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:10 PM
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110. Speak for yourself. OH, now you're goinig to say that

none of YOUR posts have ever been deleted and therefore that means you are not a truther? Is that your point?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:23 PM
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112. WTF?
Could you please try writing with a degree of clarity and coherence?
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:27 PM
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114. Isn't it clear enough? I repeat: I'm aware that some believe it, but

I do not.

"I was the NWO staffer on duty that shift so it was probably me."
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:54 PM
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119. Jesus...
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 12:55 PM by SDuderstadt
What is "IT"??? You don't believe "WHAT"?? That I'm a NWO staffer? That I was on shift that day? That I was probably the one that got your post deleted? That there's such a thing as the NWO? All four? Three out of four? Two out of four?

Why do you have such trouble with writing clearly? Could that have anything to do with you being a "truther"? Could it be that the inability to express thoughts clearly is but one of many reasons the "truth movement" is going nowhere fast?
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:57 PM
Response to Reply #119
120. I don't have a writing problem, but YOU seem to have a

reading comprehension problem.

I'm done with trying to explain things and reason with you.

Have a nice dog.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:47 PM
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122. YES, you do...
merely posting a quote from me, then saying you don't believe "it", doesn't tell me specifically what you don't believe. I already pointed out 4 different things you could be referring to. Can you honestly not see that? Part of "reasoning" is making your point clearly. Have you ever studied communications? Or, is being imprecise just another rhetorical tool "truthers" use to prolong the "debate"? I suspect you get asked for clarification quite a bit.
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AZCat Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 03:12 PM
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123. You seem to have difficulty understanding my posts.
Please go back and read it more carefully, and this time try not to project your own issues on my content.
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:08 PM
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109. How do you know it was Bolo that...
Edited on Mon Dec-21-09 12:19 PM by SDuderstadt
got your post deleted? I was the NWO staffer on duty that shift so it was probably me. I always mark my "kills", but I just use a hash mark, without identifying who the poster was. As long as we keep the "truth" from coming out, it really doesn't matter all that much.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:13 PM
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111. I know that some may think that, but I don't.
"I was the NWO staffer on duty that shift so it was probably me."

btw - didn't you mean New World Order FREEWAY?
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SDuderstadt Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:26 PM
Response to Reply #111
113. Please see my previous post about coherence and...
clarity. I honestly don't know what the fuck you're babbling about most of the time.
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chandler2 Donating Member (179 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:28 PM
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115. see #114
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Bolo Boffin Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 01:24 PM
Response to Reply #102
121. Please get back to the actual topic.
Not the one you decided to chase so you could indulge in personal attacks on me.
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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:37 PM
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TheWatcher Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Jan-02-10 02:29 AM
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132. Delete
Edited on Sat Jan-02-10 02:33 AM by TheWatcher
Simply not worth my time.
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jberryhill Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Mon Dec-21-09 12:42 PM
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116. He must have been blacklisted for his courageous stand on 9/11, then...

Clearly, Bolo's position on 9/11 was used to blacklist his budding career in entertainment.

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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 02:44 PM
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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 08:52 PM
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70. Ah yes
"his questioning of the official story is an on-going theme of the show that is dealt with in a serious, compelling manner in several episodes."

The character is ridiculed by the other firemen for his wild eyed proclamations. His rants are comic relief, at best.

The star of "Rescue Me" belittles the 'Truth Movement'. The snake oil salesmen and the unfortunate gullible who follow them blindly. I'm personally of the opinion that Sunjata is playing the Truthers for all he's worth.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 09:04 PM
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72. That's because
they can't refute any of his arguments.

'Sunjata playing truthers for all he's worth'

what does Sunjata get out of doing that? he's making millions as a star (or one of the stars of a hit series. oops didn't mean to break the golden rule of television etiquette. that would be a cardinal sin.) why would he risk his career and risk getting blacklisted, barred from getting future roles in the industry for speaking out on such a controversial subject? that's a nonsensical argument. he does it because he isn't afraid to stand up for his beliefs.
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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-19-09 10:55 PM
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75. You can't have it both ways
Either the topic on "Rescue Me" is 'dealt with in a serious, compelling manner' or 'they can't refute any of his arguments'. Which is it? You are aware that the show is scripted, don't you? The vision and plot lines are Leary's - not Sunjata's. If there was any merit to the rants, would the evil NWO (who control all media) let it be aired?

Sunjata's not doing badly, though outside the show he does not seem to have much of an acting career. He 'came out' as a truther right before last year's season began, and has not been publicly vocal (except in truther circles) since they aired. Smells like a publicity stunt to me.

But hey - if a second string actor on a television show is what convinces - more power to you.

I wonder what Katie Segal thinks ...
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 12:26 AM
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77. Not publicly vocal?
Sunjata has been very vocal as an activist in 9/11 truth, outside of his show.
he has done numerous interviews about his real-life views of 9/11, spoken at public truth rallies in New York with 9/11 family members, etc. He also narrated the 3rd edition of Loose Change. How more vocal can you be? Sunjata was so vocal and outspoken about it, that he eventually convinced his producers to integrate his views about 9/11 into the show and come up with a storyline based on his real-life views. not an easy feat to pull off of course, but it helps to be as charismatic and forceful of a speaker as he is.

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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:52 AM
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79. Don't cherry pick what I wrote
Sunjata has not been publicly vocal (outside truther circles) since the episodes aired. Sure he spoke to a few dozen of the like minded, and did the voice over to the least popular of the ongoing Loose Change series (so maybe another dozen people heard him)- but where is his real conviction? The last public voicing of his came in May, 2009. Coincidentally, that's when the subplot on "Rescue Me" was being aired. I note you ignored the first part of my question; if this was any kind of threat, why would the evil NWO (who control all media) let it be aired?

Leary thought Sunjata's rants were funny enough to include them in the script for his character - but no one takes it seriously. Sunjata's character (Franco) basically uses his inane rant to attempt to seduce a female journalist.

Publicity for "Rescue Me" - that's the full Monty.
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rollingrock Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:33 AM
Response to Reply #79
84. You should take your own advice.
'Don't cherry pick what I wrote'

I addressed and debunked all your arguments, but you continue to ignore mine.
And I don't like to repeat myself. So you really do need to take your own advice.



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Name removed Donating Member (0 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 11:53 AM
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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-20-09 05:03 PM
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87. No indeed
You didn't. Sunjata is playing the playas.

Not that it matters - his opinion is irrelevant on either side of the argument.
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newlib Donating Member (37 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Tue Dec-22-09 06:04 AM
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131. run Jesse, run! eom
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Echo In Light Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Jan-03-10 09:51 AM
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133. Ed Asner, Bruce Willis, Dean Haglund, director Richard Linklater, who handed out free 9/11 dvds..
... at a premier of A Scanner Darkly
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Ter Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-08-10 05:35 AM
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139. Bruce Willis was a big Bush supporter
Glad to see he's come to the light.
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earth mom Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Jan-07-10 08:38 AM
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138. Add Rosie O'Donnell to that list.
No doubt it's why they made sure she quit The View.
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f11killerbeing Donating Member (11 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Feb-05-10 07:27 PM
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140. Well
Who else then
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