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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 05:46 PM
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A very interesting read from a Russian blogger who believes 911 was an inside
Edited on Fri Dec-25-09 05:51 PM by snagglepuss
job. The blogger's name is KIRILL VLADIMOROVICH POKROVSKY aka Dr Keyreal. (FYI What is wierd is that there were, as of one week ago four parts to his 911 posts. I can now only pull up Part I and II from cache. Part I is a discussion of PNAC so I haven't included it but what is regretable is that in either Part III or IV there is an indepth commentary about the hijackers and their movements that day.)

But moving right along.

Even though he covers alot of the same info availalble elsewhere
Pokrovsky excels at highlighting some pertinent issues and facts that seem to get lost in the discussion. For instance, the fact that the air force never intercepted the planes. Pokrovsky brings attention to "a bizarre memorandum (entitled “Aircraft Piracy and Destruction of Derelict Airborne Objects”) that Cheney rammed through the Defense Department on June 1, 2001, exactly three months before 9/11...Cheney inexplicably relieves NORAD of its long-standing responsibility to intercept and shoot down hijacked airplanes that pose a major threat on the ground."


I fully agree with Pokrovsky that this memorandum is bizarre but I don't see it discussed on DU. Has it been explained satisfactorily?


He goes on to write,

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In other words, the U.S. generals had their hands tied on 9/11, and could not even scramble jets without a direct order from the Pentagon. That command, of course, never came.

It should be no surprise as to who failed to pick up the telephone at the Pentagon on the morning of Sept. 11. Yes, Donald Rumsfeld. Where was he? Strangely, nobody could find him. Indeed, the official 9/11 Commission report states that the Defense Secretary “was untraceable until 10:30a.m.”


Eventually, US Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld was caught on film shortly after the crash of Flight 77, assisting with the rescue efforts on the lawn of the Pentagon. Although this humanly gesture must be commended, it seems to be completely at odds with Rumsfeld’s most critical job duty, which was to give clearance for NORAD to shoot down or intercept hijacked aircraft according to Cheney’s updated (and short-lived) memorandum mentioned above.


On the lawn of the Pentagon, tending to the wounded was not the right place for the Defense Secretary who should have been sitting near the phone, coordinating our national defenses. And how did Rumsfeld know for certain that another plane might not drop out of the sky, indeed as had been wildly rumored? Wouldn’t his expertise and command have been much more helpful inside of the Pentagon?"


So my question to dungeon dwellers is whether Rumsfeld's whereabouts until 10:30 am ever been resolved?


With regards to the absence of video from the Pentagon he refers to the the extremely odd fact that the investigator was not allowed to see all the tapes. IMO this is another significant detail that doesn't get the amount of attention it deserves.

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According to an affidavit by Jacqueline Maguire, Special Agent Counter terrorism Division of the FBI, “fifty-six (56) of these videotapes did not show either the Pentagon building, the Pentagon crash site, or the impact of Flight 77 into the Pentagon on Sept. 11, 2001.”

Maguire goes on to explain that “I personally viewed the remaining twenty-nine (29) videotapes.” Yet she concluded that there was “nothing of interest” for the public to gain from having access to those tapes.

Again, we are reduced to asking more silly “why” questions, which should have been provided from the beginning: If the Pentagon perimeter was ringed with security cameras, why were approximately three-fourths of the devices not aimed at the building itself? And if they were aimed away from the complex, as alleged, how could a Boeing 757-200 commercial jet fail to get captured by all of the video cameras? Finally, why did Maguire “personally view” just 29 of the available 85 tapes? {b}Why did she not have privilege to all of them? Certainly she must have been curious. And if it was not Maguire who viewed the other 56 tapes, who did view them?





Anyway these are just snippets from his 911 posts. As stated above, I had pulled them up a week ago but are no longer available so the the link below is from cache.


http://74.125.93.132/search?q=cache:2LLjty84r10J:kirillpokrovsky.blogspot.com/2009/09/911-reasons-why-911-was-probably-inside_1971.html+dr+keyreal+911+part+1&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=ca&lr=lang_en






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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 06:02 PM
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1. It's like something out of "24".
A handful of people at the top made sure that all obstacles were smoothed out of the way.

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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 06:51 PM
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2. On one hand I agree but on the other hand I still have problems
accepting the fact that such a huge conspiracy could be perpetrated without anyone breaking ranks. I suppose my attitude is simply to remain open and not let the story fade. What is shocking is that I still meet people who have never even heard about Building 7. Actually it was learning about that event in 2002 that grabbed my attention and made me question the OT. On 9-11 I was a MSM news junkie and was home and watching CNN when it happened and I watched coverage for the entire day. To this day I still can't believe that I could be glued to TV for the entire day and remain ignorant of Blding 7's collapse.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 07:17 PM
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3. It took me even longer.
I didn't see the WTC 7 footage until several years later, maybe 2005 or 2006 because I had tried to ignore the controlled demolition theories.

As for breaking ranks, why would the people who benefited (and continue to benefit) break ranks?

This was their dream come true (and the gift that keeps on giving).
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 07:37 PM
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4. Why were you ignoring controlled demolition theories?
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 07:40 AM
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6. I was more interested in the political, financial and intelligence side
of things. I thought controlled demolition was an argument between engineers about things I don't understand.

However, the collapse of WTC 7 caught my attention because it looks exactly like a controlled demolition (and of course it wasn't hit by a plane). It was literally a "who am I going to believe, the OCT or my lying eyes?" moment.


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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 10:05 PM
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7.  I too have avoided the demolition debates because of its highly technical
nature. Its odd that the one building that seems clearly to be a controlled demolition is the one building that never made news headlines.
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Ihaterush Donating Member (28 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Dec-25-09 08:51 PM
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5. This guy is a genus
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Rosa Luxemburg Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sat Dec-26-09 11:57 PM
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8. wasn't Rums in his office?
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 05:11 AM
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9. It seems there is a period he disappeared.


http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a938rumsfeldoutofcontact#a938rumsfeldoutofcontact


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Immediately after the Pentagon was hit, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld left his office and headed to the crash scene (see 9:38 a.m. September 11, 2001). For the 20 minutes or so that he is gone, others are desperately trying to contact him. Among those seeking Rumsfeld are Stephen Cambone, his closest aide, who is currently in the Pentagon’s Executive Support Center (see Shortly After 9:03 a.m. September 11, 2001), and also the National Military Command Center (see 9:39 a.m. September 11, 2001). Officer Aubrey Davis of the Pentagon police, who is accompanying Rumsfeld, is receiving frantic calls over his radio saying, “Where’s the secretary? Where’s the secretary?” Davis is unable to answer these requests. He later recalls, “I kept saying, ‘We’ve got him,’ but the system was overloaded, everyone on the frequency was talking, everything jumbled, so I couldn’t get through and they went on asking.” A senior White House official, who is in its Situation Room trying to coordinate a response to the attacks, will later angrily condemn Rumsfeld for having been out of touch during such a critical period. He says, “What was Rumsfeld doing on 9/11? He deserted his post. He disappeared. The country was under attack. Where was the guy who controls America’s defense? Out of touch! How long does it take for something bad to happen? No one knew what was happening. What if this had been the opening shot of a coordinated attack by a hostile power? Outrageous, to abandon your responsibilities and go off and do what you don’t need to be doing, grandstanding.”

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HannibalCards Donating Member (222 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 07:36 AM
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10. If you read the next entry at your link
He didn't exactly disappear.

http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a937rumsfeldhelp#a937rumsfeldhelp

Within seconds of the Pentagon being hit, Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld rushed out of his office and headed toward the crash scene (see 9:38 a.m. September 11, 2001). According to Officer Aubrey Davis, who is currently accompanying Rumsfeld as his bodyguard, when they reach the site, “There were the flames, and bits of metal all around. The secretary picked up one of the pieces of metal. I was telling him he shouldn’t be interfering with a crime scene when he looked at some inscription on it and said, ‘American Airlines.’” According to Rumsfeld, a person who’d seen the attack on the Pentagon informs him a plane had flown into it. Rumsfeld later recalls: “I saw people on the grass, and we just, we tried to put them in stretchers and then move them out across the grass towards the road and lifted them over a jersey wall so the people on that side could stick them into the ambulances.
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snagglepuss Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Sun Dec-27-09 11:34 AM
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11. That only adds to the wierdness. As stated further along a Senior
White House official accuses Rumsfeld of "disappearing that morning and deserting his post". That accusation is made by a senior white house official not a truther. Furthermore, other than the president, Rumsfeld was the only person who had the authority to shoot down civilans planes and he wasn't available.

Eyeballing rubble is not being available, especially when Pentagon communication was overloaded. He should have gone directly to the Operations room. The only conclusion is that he was stalling. There is no logical reason that people needed to look for him in the first place, he should have been at his post.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 12:47 PM
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16. Wasn't that nearly an hour after the first plane hit the WTC?
What was he doing during that time?
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firstnamefred Donating Member (26 posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 01:18 PM
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17. Make no mistake. Sec'y Rumsfeld was very concerned...

and going out to help showed it. Seems like sometimes he gets an undeserved bad rap.
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CJCRANE Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Fri Jan-01-10 05:52 PM
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18. But where was he for the first hour of the crisis?
Only he and Bush had the authority to order a shootdown.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:30 AM
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15. A republicon deserting his post. How typical.
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SpiralHawk Donating Member (1000+ posts) Send PM | Profile | Ignore Thu Dec-31-09 08:28 AM
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14. interesting
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