Sibel Edmonds and John Cole interview

[rollingrock]

Sibel Edmonds is interviewed together with John Cole. Cole is an 18-year FBI counterintelligence veteran who confirms all her revelations...including her bombshell that the US carried on 'intimate relations' with Osama bin Laden 'all the way up to that day of September 11.' Cole and Edmonds are both members of National Security Whistleblowers Coalition.


http://original.antiwar.com/scott/2009/11/01/fbi-whistleblower-names-names/



This should be the biggest story of the decade, if not the century. But whenever a whistleblower comes forward to spill the beans...they are promptly ignored by the government and (mainstream) media. No wonder the Bush administration had a gag order on her. I guess the MSM is too busy investigating the balloon boy and Tiger Woods' love life to bother.

[KDLarsen]

1. I'm still not sure what she's implying

First into Turkey, then their passports would change and they would send these people to the Balkans region during the conflict in 1998, in 1999. So for these operations the U.S. operations, we worked very closely with bin Ladens, plural.

I'd love to hear her define bin Ladens (yes, plural, seems like you forgot that bit in your quote), because she doesn't do it in that interview. To me, it appears to refer to people whom the US support in fighting a state the US isn't exactly fond of, but can't fight in the open. It's a murky business, that's for sure.

And I noticed one thing Sibel Edmonds got wrong, the relevant members of the bin Laden family were interrogated prior to leaving the US after 9/11.

[rollingrock]

2. Osama was one of the bin Laden brothers the US was dealing with

you must have missed that part.

[rollingrock]

3. Wrong?

'And I noticed one thing Sibel Edmonds got wrong, the relevant members of the bin Laden family were interrogated prior to leaving the US after 9/11.'

Care to back up that assertion? Do you know something these former FBI agents don't?

[KDLarsen]

4. Certainly

http://www.judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

Specifically, page 25 and forward of http://www.judicialwatch.org/archive/2007/Saudi%20Docs%202.pdf

[rollingrock]

7. Wow. You just dropped another bomb

Your link is quite damning to the official story. I haven't seen this before, but thanks!

...it's now more obvious than ever that the FBI has played a major role in the cover-up.




Judicial Watch, the public interest group that investigates and prosecutes government corruption, today released new documents from the Federal Bureau of Investigation (“FBI”) related to the “expeditious departure” of Saudi nationals, including members of the bin Laden family, from the United States following the 9/11 attacks. According to one of the formerly confidential documents, dated 9/21/2001, terrorist Osama bin Laden may have chartered one of the Saudi flights.


Overall, the FBI’s most recent document production includes details of the six flights between 9/14 and 9/24 that evacuated Saudi royals and bin Laden family members. The documents also contain brief interview summaries and occasional notes from intelligence analysts concerning the cursory screening performed prior to the departures. According to the FBI documents, incredibly not a single Saudi national nor any of the bin Laden family members possessed any information of investigative value.

Moreover, the documents contain numerous errors and inconsistencies which call to question the thoroughness of the FBI’s investigation of the Saudi flights. For example, on one document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 20 of 23 passengers on the Ryan International Airlines flight (commonly referred to as the “Bin Laden Family Flight”). On another document, the FBI claims to have interviewed 15 of 22 passengers on the same flight.

“Eight days after the worst terrorist attack in U.S. history, Osama bin Laden possibly charters a flight to whisk his family out of the country, and it’s not worth more than a luggage search and a few brief interviews?” asked Judicial Watch President Tom Fitton. “Clearly these documents prove the FBI conducted a slapdash investigation of these Saudi flights. We’ll never know how many investigative leads were lost due to the FBI’s lack of diligence.”

U.S. District Court Judge Richard W. Roberts ordered the FBI to resubmit “proper disclosures” to the Court and Judicial Watch, having previously criticized the adequacy of redaction descriptions, the validity of exemption claims, and other errors in the FBI’s disclosures. Incredibly, the FBI had previously redacted Osama bin Laden’s name from the records in order “to protect privacy interests.”


www.judicialwatch.org/6322.shtml

[KDLarsen]

8. Not really..

Asked about the documents' assertion that either bin Laden or the Saudi royals ordered the flight, an FBI spokesman said the information was inaccurate.
"There is no new information here. Osama bin Laden did not charter a flight out of the US," FBI special agent Richard Kolko said.

"This is just an inflammatory headline by Judicial Watch to catch people's attention. This was thoroughly investigated by the FBI."

Kolko pointed to the 9-11 Commission Report, which was the book-length result of an official probe into the attacks on the World Trade Center in New York and the Pentagon in Washington that killed nearly 3,000 people.

"No political intervention was found. And most important, the FBI conducted a satisfactory screening of Saudi nationals that left on chartered flights. This is all available in the report," Kolko said.

Source is an article that used to be at http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=070620200413.fd64rwmy&show_article=1 (Dead link).

[rollingrock]

9. So why post the JW article

in the first place? when it strongly refutes your contention?

[KDLarsen]

10. Because you asked me to..

The PDF makes it clear, that the bin Laden family & other Saudi flights did not leave by air, prior to the ban on any flights being lifted.

[rollingrock]

12. But the article you posted

is sharply critical of the FBI documents(pdf) as being filled with 'numerous errors and inconsistencies which call to question the thoroughness of the FBI’s investigation of the Saudi flights.' well, I have no argument with that. as your article demonstrates, it was a sham investigation and many people have come forward to expose the FBI's role in the cover up, including several whistleblowers within the FBI itself.

[KDLarsen]

13. Sigh..

The topic at hand was whether or not the bin Laden family/Saudi flights left before or after the ban on flights had been lifted. Everything so far points to the fact that they didn't leave until after the ban was lifted.

Whether or not the FBI carried out the most thorough interview or not, that doesn't change the fact that the flights took place until after the ban was lifted. I have other things to worry about, than reading through the full PDF to see what else is there.

[rollingrock]

14. Uh, no

you say that Edmonds is wrong about the family members not being interrogated. but the article you linked to supports her contention that they were not interrogated in any meaningful way. that is the topic at hand. the matter of the flight ban is a separate issue.

[KDLarsen]

15. Lalalalalala...

Edmonds said the family members weren't interviewed.

The FBI docs shows they were.

Whether or not they interviewed to a sufficient degree or not, we can debate that from now to New Years Eve. And I certainly have no intention of doing so.

[rollingrock]

16. lalalala

and your Judicial Watch article demonstrates the FBI investigation to be a sham.
half the contents of the pdf isn't even legible because much of it is blacked out (redacted) by the FBI. what are they trying to hide? why do you insist on ignoring the facts of your own article?

[rollingrock]

11. dupe

sorry

[defendandprotect]

5. This entire thing is a "false flag" operation . . .

from US/CIA creation of Taliban/Al Qaeda to

US creation of the VIOLENT Islamic writings in an effort to create violent Islam in Middle East --

US is a threat to world peace and security!!

[Bolo Boffin]

6. "US creation of the VIOLENT Islamic writings in an effort to create violent Islam in Middle East"

You must eventually get your head out of the sand.

[rollingrock]

17. Ironically enough

Uncle Sam is in the business of teaching Jihad.


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From U.S., the ABC's of Jihad
Violent Soviet-Era Textbooks Complicate Afghan Education Efforts

Washington Post Staff Writers
Saturday, March 23, 2002

In the twilight of the Cold War, the United States spent millions of dollars to supply Afghan schoolchildren with textbooks filled with violent images and militant Islamic teachings, part of covert attempts to spur resistance to the Soviet occupation.

The primers, which were filled with talk of jihad and featured drawings of guns, bullets, soldiers and mines, have served since then as the Afghan school system's core curriculum. Even the Taliban used the American-produced books, though the radical movement scratched out human faces in keeping with its strict fundamentalist code.

...continued

www.washingtonpost.com/ac2/wp-dyn/A5339-2002Mar22?language=printer