New book by member of ARRB staff on Kennedy assassination

[mcablue]

It's expensive. 85 dollars, but worth it. Doug Horne is his name and the book is over 1000 pages long. Read more: http://insidethearrb.livejournal.com/

[spooked911]

1. this excerpt from the link is good

"(5) Finally, and pehaps most important, seven (7) out of seven (7) Hollywood film professionals who have examined the HD and 6K scans of the individual frames of the Zapruder film 35 mm dupe negative (obtained from the National Archives) have declared the image content to have been altered: they are of the unanimous opinion that the back of JFK's head in the images---from frame 313 through 337---has been blacked out, i.e., obscured by artwork. Their opinions trump those of anyone in the research community who has not been to film school, and who has not worked in the post-production of motion picture films."

I.e. the perps blacked out evidence that JFK was shot from the front by covering up the exit hole in the back.

[firstnamefred]

2. Are you a jfk assassination truther?

Many people at that time in our history sincerely believed that JFK was a traitor, just as many people believe that other presidents
also were (e.g. Lincoln, even FDR) ... and had to be removed from office in a manner that would send a message to future presidents.

[spooked911]

3. depends on whether you are using "truther" in a pejorative sense

but I think JFK was likely a great president, who truly wanted peace, and that is why he was killed.

[Ohio Joe]

4. A shame he does not name them

Makes it come across as bullshit.

[defendandprotect]

5. I listened to a radio program he guested on recently . . . interesting . . .

however, to suggest that we need 1000 pages to reveal the lies of the JFK coup

is mind boggling --

According to the official autopsy . . .

The neck wound was a wound of ENTRY -- there was NO OUTLET

The wound in the rear of JFK's body was in his right shoulder blade --

it was also a wound of ENTRY -- and there was NO OUTLET

Further the shoulder wound was made at a 45 degree DOWNWARD ANGLE --

Had the "free press" at the time made that clear to the public --

Had the Warren Commission made that clear to the public --

Had the Democratic Party made that clear to the public --

Had any broadcast network or TV anchor made that clear to the public --

Americans would have been laughing at the Warren Report -- which, btw, was

what it deserved!

Keep in mind that these wounds were repeatedly probed at the official autopsy by

tools and by finger --

'NO OUTLET' for either wound.

The shoulder wound was very shallow --

In the case of the neck wound, it's been speculated that the bullet may have fallen

into the chest cavity. Though there is also speculation that it may have been an

"ice bullet" or "dart" which was intended to paralyze the president and keep him in

an upright position for the next shots.



This wasn't simply a coup on JFK -- it was a coup on our "people's" government and any

existing avenue of democracy to hold those responsible for it accountable.

That also means the Democratic Party was quickly overtaken and any real investigation

prevented. This could not have been done without those who planned this being able to

count on LBJ as president and the power of the presidency.



PS: In case anyone doesn't understand this -- the neck wound was a shot from the FRONT.

Back wound was a shot from the REAR. No connection between either wounds means no bullet

passing thru JFK's body -- especially since the shoulder wound was made at a downward angle!!


Also -- keep in mind that Finck says there was nothing left of JFK's brain --

Yet, alledgedly there was a mainly intact brain passed off as his.

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[SDuderstadt]

7. Fascinating...

Two simple questions...if you claim one or more shots came from the front, where's the entrance wound? And, if you claim JFK's throat wound was the entrance wound, it would have had to come through the windshield; so where's the bullet hole? Of course, you'll probably claim the windshield was disposed of but; unfortunately for you; it's maintained in the National Archives and not one occupant of the car states a bullet came through the windshield. Maybe the "perps" got to them, too.

Of course, conspiracy theorists never trouble themselves with evidence that disproves their goofy bullshit.

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[SDuderstadt]

9. Of course, you won't answer the two very simple questions I asked because...

they totally destroy your goofy CT bullshit. That's why you're trying to change the subject.

Why can't you answer two straightforward questions?

[Octafish]

10. Why would a bullet fired from the front 'have dad to' have gone through windshield?

You pre-suppose that scenario, you 'theorize.' You don't know whether there were other angles of fire. Going from the doctors who treated the president who reported what looked like an entrance wound in the throat, I'd say it was likely there was a shooter in front.

[SDuderstadt]

11. Dude...we've been through this before...

The doctors at Parkland, by their own admission, were trying to save JFK's life and openly acknowledge their recollections of anything were inferior to those who performed the autopsy. If JFK was shot from the front, where's the exit wound, dude? Where would he have been shot from? Do you really claim he could have been shot in the throat and the bullet would not have had to go through the windhield? Dude, the claim that he was shot from the front isn't mine, nor do I have to disprove it (you keep trying to shift the burden of proof), all I have to do is show that you haven't (and cannot prove it). If, as you try to claim, JFK was shot from the front, please show us where he could've been shot from in front of the limo where the shooter would not have been completely visible to anyone who was there, dude? And we DO know the angle of fire, as shown by numerous pieces of evidence, from Conally looking over his right shoulder to see where the shot came from to the excellent work of Dale Meyer.

This is why your goofy claims never go anywhere, Octfish. 46 years, dude...46 years.

P.S. Read my post again and tell me where you get this goofy "have dad to" quote.

[Octafish]

15. Always with the righteous indignation. Always wrong.

Right you are, SDuderstadt. I misspelled "had" in the topic line. Sorry, but that doesn't change the logical inconsistency of what you wrote.

Here's what you wrote. I quoted from the part in red.

And, if you claim JFK's throat wound was the entrance wound, it would have had to come through the windshield; so where's the bullet hole?

How do you know that it "had" to come through the windshield. Unless you know for a fact that there was only one shooter, and you don't, you have to consider the possibility that shots from the front could have missed the windshield and still struck President Kennedy and Gov. Connally.

Most important: I don't care if it's been 47 years. There's no statute of limitations on treason. Going by what you post on DU, why that fact doesn't bother you is not hard to figure out.

[SDuderstadt]

16. Dude...

for the last fucking time, please use some Logic. Study the layout of Dealey Plaza, project out the trajectory of a supposed front entry wound for either JFK or Connally, and kindly tell us where the shooter could have POSSIBLY been without being plainly seen by virtually everyone or without the bullet going through the windshield. Obviously, if the shot didn't go through the windshield, the shooter would've had to be substantially higher than the limo. So, where was the shooter? In a helicopter?

You can't answer that question because you seem to be impervious to Logic and science. That's why, 46 years later, you're no closer to overcoming the mountain of evidence against Oswald and cracking this "case". Just so you don't miss it, present a layout of Dealey Plaza and pinpoint where a shooter could possibly have been positioned and hit either Connally or JFK without a) being clearly visible to just about anyone with their eyes open and b) without hitting the windshield. And course, even if you COULD present a reasonable and plausible scenario, you still have the inconvenient fact that neither JFK nor Connally exhibited an entrance wound from anywhere other than BEHIND them.

46 years, dude. 46 years and you're still living this fantasy. It's bad enough Oswald robbed us of JFK without you exploiting this sad situation. How much longer will you flog this?

[Octafish]

17. Always angry with anyone who disagrees, too. Always wrong, still.

You should practice what you preach. Instead of regurgitating what John McAdams, the Amazing Randi and their ilk say, learn about what happened in Dallas here:

JFK Lancer

The Education Forum

Mary Ferrell Foundation

History Matters

Vince Palamara bio at Spartacus Schoolnet

You know what, SDuderstadt? After reading the work of people with open minds -- people devoted to bring justice to the killers of President Kennedy -- I bet you won't be so angry all the time.

[SDuderstadt]

18. People with open minds understand the value of evidence...

in drawing conclusions, dude. You falsely accuse me of being angry to deflect attention away from your inability to answer questions about how your theory could possibly be true and elevating it to a cottage industry. In actuality, I'm frustrated with your outright refusal to embrace science and reason.

And I hardly need help from McAdams or "Randi" to do so, dude. I just look at the goofy theories you propagate, then ask hard questions around things that would have to be true for someone to embrace your goofy claims. I would gladly embrace those claims if you could provide answers to the simple questions I asked. But you cant, so you try to make this about me and my "anger".

No, dude...it's about you and your total inability to provide evidence of your goofy claims. Why can't you answer those questions? Hint: it's because it totally destroys your goofy claims. Sorry to make you look bad in front of your "posse", dude. But the problem is that your inability to admit that you're simply wrong means that you have to lash out at people who ask you questions you simply can't answer.

46 years, dude. You would think you'd be tired of lashing out after 46 years.

[defendandprotect]

19. And reportedly, there was a bullet hole in the windshield made from the FRONT of the car...

number of witnesses to those -- including official at automobile company - Ford/? -

which replaced the windshield.

Other witnesses who saw the car at the hospital also reported a bullet hole in the

windshield made from the front.

[SDuderstadt]

21. This bullshit is totally disproven by...

multiple pictures of JFK's limo at Parkland showing no bullet hole whatsoever.

[tetedur]

12. Douglas Weldon has done important research on the windshield

and has a theory concerning the positions of other shooters in the front of the car. He has testimony from eight eyewitnesses that saw a through and through hole in the windshield. He has named a man from the Ford Motor Company who witnessed the hole, was supervisor over the lab men who fabricated a new windshield on Nov. 25th, and said they were ordered to destroy the original windshield with the hole.

For those who would like to learn more you can check out his interview at Black Op Radio No. 451. He also had a chapter in Murder In Dealey Plaza "The Kennedy Limousine: Dallas 1963."

[defendandprotect]

20. And the JFK limo was completely washed out and windshield replaced on LBJ's instructions...!!

In other words, LBJ had the evidence removed --

[duphase]

13. Evidence of through and through hole in windshield + throat wound.

Limo driver Greer told a friend of his that "bullets were coming from everywhere - one even came through the windshield."

Police officer (don't recall his name at the moment) said he saw a hole thru the windshield and that you could put a pencil thru it.

Parkland Dr. Evelyn Glanges said that she observed a hole in the windshield.

The windshield was sent to Ford Motor Co. in Detroit. Ford's main windshield guy (who had 30 yrs. experience working on windshields. I don't recall his job title) said the windshield had a hole thru it.

There's a lot more to know about this subject (e.g. SS ordered 12 replacement windshields for the limo).

Doug Weldon, an attorney and former prosecutor, is an expert on the subject of the windshield. Google him if you want to know more.

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The Parkland doctors who examined JFK's throat wound said it was a wound of entry. The Dallas physician who performed the tracheostomy on President Kennedy was subjected to bullying phone calls during the night pressuring him to change his story.

The medical evidence is complex, laden with misleading evidence, falsified records, faked or altered photos and x rays, missing
photos, and so on - but if you really want to try and figure out the truth about the conspiracy, you will need to immerse yourself
in the medical and autopsy evidence.

As you may know, the throat wound in Dallas was substantially larger when observed at the autopsy. Lone Nutter salesmen try to
dismiss the importance of the enlarged wound by saying it happened as the result of the tracheostomy - but if you've seen the
autopsy photos, it's obvious that it wasn't as the result of the procedure at Dallas. More likely, it was the result of "surgery" to remove the bullet which had entered there.

[SDuderstadt]

14. Fucking unbelievable

Y'know, you guys are fucking amazing. You think that when you're confronted on your goofy CT bullshit, you can prove your goofy CT bullshit with more goofy CT bullshit. Do you ever stop fantasizing long enough to try to falsify your own goofy claims?

You can produce all the one-off witnesses you want saying whatever you want, but the fatal flaw is when you try to harmonize that with the physical evidence and it just won't fit. Again:

If JFK was hit from the front, where's the exit wound? Are you claiming that tiny hole in his back is the exit wound? If not and you admit it is clearly an entrance wound, then where is the exit wound that corresponds to the entry wound? Hint: it's the hole in his throat. If you claim they are both entry wounds and there is no exit wound at all, then produce a single x-ray that shows 2 bullets in JFK. Hint: you can't.

Secondly, look at the readily available photos and videos of that day. Note the relative position of the occupants of the limo. Then kindly explain how a bullet could have possibly hit Kennedy from the front without striking any of the other occupants of the car. It's clear that Connally and JFK were both hit by the same bullet before the fatal JFK headshot. So, if Connally was hit first, why is the entrance hole in his back? Are you claiming that the bullet traversed Connally's body, exited in front of him, then did a u-turn and hit JFK in the throat? Please explain this in detail.

Third, please provide some sort of documentation (not just your wild claims) concerning the replacement of the windshield. Giving a name or two, then demanding that we Google them is laughable. Let me make sure I get this straight. You're demanding that WE prove YOUR claims. Are you fucking serious?

Please explain the multitude of photos taken of the limo immediately upon its arrival at Parkland. They show a crack, not a hole. Do you expect us to believe that a bullet would pass through the windshield and only crack it? Have you guys ever even read the fucking Warren Report? If you have, why do you make such wildly implausible claims? Here's a link to a number of pictures taken of the limo in front of Parkland Hospital, while the doctors inside were furiously trying to save JFK's life, not perform a detailed autopsy. Can you please point out to us where the "bullet hole" is? Can you provide a single picture with a sullet hole in the windshield? You can't? Well, then please spare us more of your CT bullshit.

http://images.google.com/imgres?imgurl=&imgrefurl=http://www.jfklancerforum.com/dc/dcboard.php%3Faz%3Dshow_topic%26forum%3D3%26topic_id%3D82475%26mesg_id%3D82475%26listing_type%3Dsearch&usg=__mFZGNLkLxCCSDchOTvfwZ9GjLkE=&h=727&w=1024&sz=86&hl=en&start=14&sig2=6-Kp6qkeAVlIEzUkEwhtiQ&itbs=1&tbnid=huZ_fDeg5s4p9M:&tbnh=106&tbnw=150&prev=/images%3Fq%3DJFK%2Blimo%2Bin%2Bfront%2Bof%2BParkland%2BHospital%26gbv%3D2%26hl%3Den%26safe%3Doff&ei=YtBXS83EIpa6tAPIk4jGBw

If you claim that Greer claimed there was a bullet hole in the windshield, can you please direct us to where and when he supposedly said it? Did he say it in his testimony to the Warren Commission? He didn't? So, you expect us to believe he omitted a crucial detail like that to the Warren Commission?

I am begging you to please stop embarrassing DU with your goofy CT bullshit. I'm also asking you to do a little bit of thinking and stop posting bullshit that couldn't possibly be true.