Parachuting in for a quick question:

[Subdivisions]

When did the 9/11 hijackers begin taking classes at domestic flight training schools? The more details the better. Also, throw whatever you have on just the hijackers' flight training. Any help with this is greatly appreciated. Thank you.

No-planers please restrain yourselves.

[SDuderstadt]

1. "no planers" please restrain yourselves"

Hey, Subdivisions! That might be one of the funniest things ever here.

I hope things are going well for you and your small town is recovering well, buddy.

[Make7]

2. Perhaps this will help.

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=When+did+the+9/11+hijackers+begin+taking+classes+at+domestic+flight+training+schools?
 

[LARED]

3. Hey that's pretty cool nt

[Subdivisions]

4. Thanks. I still need whatever links/resources anyone has on this aspect of 9/11.

Since there are many experts on the topic of 9/11 in this forum, there's sure to be some useful information that is just too buried in Google results to find in a timely manner.

ETA: Meant this as a reply to Make7's post #2.

[Make7]

5. Perhaps this will help.

 
http://www.historycommons.org/searchResults.jsp?searchtext="flight+school"&timeline=complete_911_timeline
 

[Ohio Joe]

6. Well...

I googled it:

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=9+11+hijackers+training&aq=f&aqi=&oq=

and it comes up with tons of links, many of them I have never heard of so I am unsure how accurate they are.

[Subdivisions]

9. It's the ones you've heard of and are accurate that I want. I guess I just

thought that some of you might have some good stuff in your bookmarks and such.

Thanks OJ, I had already done the Google search before I came in here looking for more. I just thought maybe some of you had already waded through the results to find the good stuff and discard the crazy shit.

[BeFree]

7. Hey, where ya been?

No links anymore, but there was a case of an FBI agent in Arizona that reported on a suspect taking flying lessons thereabouts. IIRC, he reported that the suspect wanted to learn how to fly but didn't care about taking off or landing.

His report never got past his HQ.

then there was the flight school down in Florida that was a known drug running airport where the guys were training. It was raided on 9/12 and Jeb Bush was there at the raid to oversee?

FBI agent Crowley had filed a report also.

All for now. Hang loose.

[Subdivisions]

8. I've been around BeFree. Been over there in my normal hangout in GD.

I actually get a post on the Greatest Page, and even #1, every now and again over there. Here I just get deleted.

It's too dark, dank, and dirty down here in the Dungeon for my tastes, though an occasional quick visit is tolerable. And you have some unfortunate souls chained to the floor and walls who tend to lash out if you get too close. So, I try to stay up on open ground in the sunshine. Research brings me down here because, as dirty as it is and as crazy as some of the denizens here are, there's still some really good information and the guys chained to the walls and floor are inhumanly knowledgable in the study of 9/11.

Thanks for the info, BeFree. Haven't I seen you occasionally in GD?

[SDuderstadt]

10. By the "guys chained to the walls and floor" you mean....

the "truthers", right?

[BeFree]

11. I'm all over DU

Just come in here to divert the heat so that other posters can feel comfortable to speak their minds about 9/11. Y'know, be free.

I've been wonking on the event ever since I started seeing that what the media was telling me was just a small part of the story. DUers have been a great source of information over the years and I am proud to have been here since before 9/11 got moved to this dungeon.

"Let's go get those Bush bastards" is a near and dear old DU saying and the 9/11 forum is as good as any at getting them. One day, we will, and the truth shall be set free.

[SDuderstadt]

12. "Just come in here to divert the heat so that other posters can feel comfortable to speak their

minds about 9/11".

Jesus, dude. Are "truthers" intimidated by rigorous debate? Are they cowed by being asked hard questions? Why is it that the "truth movement" feels like someone is trying to shut them down and deprive them of their right to speak freely, when all that is happening is they are asked for proof when they make goofy claims? Seriously, the "truth movement" needs to get over their "persecution complex", especially if they seek to convince the rest of us that they are right. I accept the "official story" (I prefer "consensus view") only provisionally, meaning if a better explanation comes along, I am open to it. Unfortunately, all I've heard is warmed over rebunkings and 9/11 myths and things that don't even make logical sense. And that's not even including the goofiest bullshit like "no-planes" and "mini-nukes".

[BeFree]

13. Yep, divert

I can take the nastiness and incivility a bit easier than they.

Even using the term 'truthers' is nasty.

And when some do speak out they get called all kinds of nasty names.

Sure, there is some goofy stuff, but so f'n what? It is a sign of critical thinking to be able to sift thru everything without getting all emotional and using incivility to try and beat back what others might be thinking.

I relish the idea of a free exchange of ideas. It doesn't worry or bother me that others (except beck types who are just cruel) see things different than me. And if I disagree, it doesn't give me the right to get nasty on them and call them names. Of course, sometimes one does have to fight fire with fire, eh?

[SDuderstadt]

14. "And when some do speak out they get called all kinds of nasty names."

Please provide an example of someone being called a nasty name here, dude. Be specific.

More importantly, how is calling someone a "truther" nasty?? That's what "truthers" call themselves.

Duh.

[BeFree]

15. Truther

Used the way it is here, it is used as a nasty term and many do not like the term being used to describe them. It is like using the N word, for some. I suggest, to show some respect, the term should quit being used here.

But that's just me. YMMV.

[Subdivisions]

16. Yea, I was using the term "OCT-o-Bots" a while back and every time

I used it my post was deleted. Seems the same could be done for "Truthers" as it is used here.

[BeFree]

17. Yeah?

With all due respect, the term should be examined and eliminated if possible.
It's a shame that terms must be circumcised but the misuse is a problem for a lot of good DUers.

[SDuderstadt]

18. Dude...

"truthers" call themselves...TRUTHERS. Duh.

How you think that can possibly be an insult defies Logic.

[BeFree]

19. Here is why

Someone else says it better than I

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=125&topic_id=280640&mesg_id=280722

[Name removed]

20. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[BeFree]

21. No one ever said we were perfect

Here's another

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=post&forum=125&topic_id=249414&mesg_id=251070

BTW: linking to a post is OK. Quoting them from another thread? I don't think so. It is like a callout.

[Make7]

23. So, do you believe people are calling themselves names...

... when they refer to themselves as truthers?

Here's another

Subdivisions wrote:

For those of you who may not know it, I do not believe the "official" story about 9/11. Though I don't consider myself part of the 9/11 Truth Movement, mainly because I'm not actively trying to move anything on this issue, I guess I'm nevertheless what is known as a "Truther".

 

[SDuderstadt]

24. "Truther Logic"...

it's an insult when you call us by the name we use to refer to ourselves.


LOLOLOLOL

[BeFree]

25. Got a link? Otherwise that is a callout.

[SDuderstadt]

26. How in the world is that...

a callout?

[Make7]

29. How would it cease to be a "callout" if I provide a link? ( n/t )

[BeFree]

28. Calling?

Or as he actually said "known as"? Known as is a bit dif than I call myself.

I believe he doesn't think he likes being called a truther. Not that you'd give a shit, eh?

[Make7]

30. I don't even really give a shit when people call me names.

But I assure you that my concern for whether or not Subdivisions dislikes being referred to as a truther is high on my priority list (in spite of the fact that he used it when referring to himself). Although it's not quite as high on my list as getting Bushco out of office.
 

[SDuderstadt]

22. And if you could point to an example of anyone calling "truthers"....

idiots, kooks, morons or whatever here, you might have a point. Let us know when you can find a single example of that. Take your time, dude.

[Liberal_Dog]

32. Here You Go

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=511104&mesg_id=511141

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=show_mesg&forum=103&topic_id=511104&mesg_id=511108

Always glad to help. :)

[SDuderstadt]

33. Did you miss the word "here" in my post?

What do you think "here" represents?

[Twist_U_Up]

27. Perhaps this will help

http://www.historycommons.org/timeline.jsp?the_alleged_9/11_hijackers=complete_911_timeline_alleged_hijackers__flight_training&timeline=complete_911_timeline

[Make7]

31. LOL! ( n/t )