We've heard repeatedly here that....

[SDuderstadt]

there are videos of "pools of molten steel in the basement of the WTC".

To date, no "truther" has been able to produce a single video showing any such thing.

So, does anyone want to salvage the credibility of the "truth movement"?

[canetoad]

1. Just a quick question SDuderstadt

That is not meant to hijack this potentially entertaining thread. All those eyewitnesses to the plane crashing into the Pentagon - how many videos did they produce? Just a number, thanks.

[LARED]

2. Apples and Oranges

The pentagon crash took a few seconds. It is hardly surprising that no witness took a video of the impact.

The discovery of molten pools of steel was part of a huge clean up effort taking many months. If molten steel pools were found surely someone would have documented it.

[SDuderstadt]

3. I think the number is none...

On the other hand, I don't recall any "debunker" ever claiming anyone did take video of the Pentagon, unlike the "truther" claim of videos of the "pools of molten steel".

[wildbilln864]

11. I've not heard a truther claim...

there were videos of pools of molten steel. I have seen however videos of eyewitnesses that say there were pools of molten steel. Who are you asserting made the claim you say was made?

[BeFree]

4. Ok

I am guessing you have several cites to back up your assertion:

"We've heard repeatedly here that....
there are videos of "pools of molten steel in the basement of the WTC"."

Any verbatim quotes? It should be easy to find if you've heard it "repeatedly".

Thanks ahead of time.

[SDuderstadt]

5. Oh, I see, BeFree...

I think what's happening now is "truthers" are backing away from their previous claims as to the certainty of "pools of molten steel" and being forced to admit that any evidence is merely anecdotal.

I thought so.

[BeFree]

6. Eh?

There is real evidence of a pool of molten metal in the basement. That part is a given.

What I asked for are the cites containing the quotes you claim you heard "repeatedly".

[SDuderstadt]

7. What is that "real evidence", dude?

And, I notice that you have amended your claim to be a "pool of molten metal" where you earlier claimed it was molten steel. Quit playing games, dude.

More importantly, what would a pool of molten metal prove exactly?

[BeFree]

8. Real evidence?

You want real evidence?

Then you are in complete agreement that we have a new and real investigation?

[SDuderstadt]

9. No, dude....

quit twisting my words. I want to see the real evidence you have that justifies a new investigation.

On second thought, nevermind. I'm tired of you twisting my actual words into something I've never ever said.

[BeFree]

10. So...

...you want evidence but you don't want any real investigation?

You really believe that what bushco allowed was "good enough"?

What you want is nonsense. It's goofy. It's silly. Its every nasty word you've ever used to combat the rightfulness of those who think there is more to this than what bushco and the M$M have told us.

Yet here you are, in combat mode and making SWAG about what you "repeatedly heard".

How embarrassing can you become? It is not a pleasure to watch, but what the hell, it's only the truth coming out.

[wildbilln864]

12. I disagree completely BeFree...

it is quite amusing to watch.

[SDuderstadt]

13. "You really believe that what bushco allowed was "good enough"?"

Remember what I said about you putting words in my mouth? You just did it again, dude.


Enough of your foolishness. That goes for Bill, too.

Done, dudes.

[hack89]

19. If you need a new investigation

why has every truther list of "why it had to be CD" includes pools of molten steel? Are you saying that it was pure unsubstantiated speculation all along?

[BeFree]

20. well

When we say a new investigation, we of course mean a whole new investigation of 9/11.

Are you in favor of a new investigation or are you happy with what has been allowed to become known?

Have you been told enough, or do you feel that there are somethings still being hidden?

[hack89]

21. Why can't you answer my question?

are you saying there is no verifiable evidence of molten pools of steel?

I have no problem with a new investigation - but I know it will make no difference the Truth movement. It will not confirm their beliefs and will be rejected as another coverup.

[BeFree]

22. Of course there is evidence of molten metals

Good to know that you have no problem with a new investigation of 9/11.
That is very democratic of you.
How you "know" it will make no difference, however, looks like SWAG from here.
Whatever, glad to know you are with us.

[hack89]

23. So where is it? nt

[Name removed]

25. Deleted message

Message removed by moderator. Click here to review the message board rules.

[OnTheOtherHand]

26. you seem confused

Are you agreeing that there is no evidence of molten steel?

Or are you just hoping that no one will notice your failure to answer a straightforward question?

[BeFree]

27. No molten steel evidence

We don't know if it was 'steel', but we do know it was molten metal.

So 'molten metals' is definitely correct, "molten steel" as the hack hacked up is SWAG.
And I just thought Sdude would want to clean that up.

[OnTheOtherHand]

28. why would he need to clean it up?

Every forum regular, including you, knows very well that it isn't hack89 who brought molten steel into the 9/11 discussion. Don't kid yourself.

[SDuderstadt]

34. More BeFree dishonesty....

Hack asked you if you were saying there is no verifiable evidence of "molten steel", not saying there was, as you have in the past. You've gone too far this time.

[hack89]

42. I believe that there was plenty of molten metal

the pile was full of aluminum that would certainly melt due to the fires in the rubble pile.

I do not believe that there was any molten steel since no one has ever demonstrated temperatures at the WTC hot enough to melt steel.

[SDuderstadt]

43. I can hardly wait for BeFree to....

mischaracterize your actual statement. I wonder what he'll do. He must have majored in "creative writing", assuming he has any post-secondary education.

[SDuderstadt]

29. Actually, BeFree is hoping that no one will notice...

that his claim has evolved from "molten steel" to "molten metal". It's a comical two-step. Of course, what BeFree doesn't quite understand is that "molten metal" doesn't really prove much of anything, because the melting point of many metals is far below that of steel.

[OnTheOtherHand]

30. possibly he has actually learned something

2009 BeFree could blithely say, "And then there was the molten steel in the basements."

2010 BeFree has realized that at best that claim is a "SWAG."

Although apparently he is prepared to defend it if Fire Fighters for 9/11 Truth says it. :shrug:

[BeFree]

31. heh

Who doesn't learn? Except the OCTers.

Hack says molten steel and he's an OCter, right?

And you didn't have a clue either or you wouldn't have asked if I was confused, when all along it was you who was confused. So much for being honest, huh? Looks like Ol' Befree is the only honest one in yall's stupid fucking games.

[OnTheOtherHand]

32. (opens mouth) (closes mouth)

I'll concede that I'm somewhat confused about why you write the things you do. As for hack's posts, I don't think that anyone is actually confused about those, but I could be wrong.

[BeFree]

36. well, you may be confused, but...

...I know why you write the stuff you do. It's just a silly fucking game, eh?

[OnTheOtherHand]

38. I take 9/11 very seriously

I think you'll find that just about everyone in my (former) neighborhood takes it very seriously.

So, when I watch molten steel morph into molten metal, and back again, and when I see your flat-out misrepresentations of hack's words, it is difficult for me to be patient. Congratulations for that.

[SDuderstadt]

39. Nope....

your dishonesty is the "silly fucking game", dude.

[SDuderstadt]

33. "Hack says molten steel and he's an OCter, right? "

More BeFree dishonesty. What Hack did is ask the following question, which is the exact opposite of what BeFree dishonestly claims.

are you saying there is no verifiable evidence of molten pools of steel?

That is not remotely close to "say(ing) molten steel" and BeFree knows this.

My question is how long he will continue to do this.

[BeFree]

35. 22. Of course there is evidence of molten metals

There is no evidence of molten steel.

Hack asked and I answered him.

Your OP here...... you never answered with a source. So, it's just SWAG. Made up bullshit. A stupid fucking game that you got nailed on.

[SDuderstadt]

37. No, you said that Hack "says molten steel"....

Asking you a question is not saying something,

See post 14, dude. I didn't make anything up, unless you're now going to dishonestly claim that video has never been posted here.

On the other hand, you're being even more dishonest if you claim you've never claimed there was "molten steel" at the WTC.

You've nailed yourself, dude.

[BeFree]

40. Molten steel

It could have been molten steel. We do know it was molten metal of some kind.

You can't prove it wasn't molten steel, because it was never investigated.

The people on the ground made the claim it was molten steel. Are you calling them liars?

[SDuderstadt]

41. Trying to change the subject won't help you here, dude

The issue is your dishonest mischaracterization of Hack's question to you as him saying "molten steel" when he did no such thing.

As far as your dishonest question as to whether I am calling the "molten steel" witnesses "liars:, you answered your own question in the third sentence. Why didn't any of the witnesses demand that it be investigated? I have also addressed your question repeatedly by noting that no one can determine a substance is molten steel merely by looking at it. Again, you are just dishonestly trying to mischaracterize me by claiming differently, dude.

[IScreamSundays]

14. this may be close to what you are looking for

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3SLIzSCt_cg

[SDuderstadt]

15. This film was linked to repeatedly....

except it doesn't show "molten steel". One of the narrators talks about videos of "molten steel",

No one denies there were pools of "molten metal". But that is far different than "pools of molten steel".

[travis80]

16. why do you care about the credibility of the truth movement?

are you obsessed with the truth movement or something?!

[SDuderstadt]

17. Are you the....

"designated pinata" for today?

[Twist_U_Up]

18. I think he thinks its his job.

I mean I have a job to go to everyday for hours on end.
dude guy is here daily for hours at a time.
One can only guess to his motivation for spending every waking moment in the dungeon only.

[SDuderstadt]

24. "every waking moment"

Hmmm, how would you know that unless you spend every waking moment tracking how I spend my time?