So... Just how many are "In on it"?

[Ohio Joe]

How many "know" and are not coming forward?

[BeFree]

1. Good question.

But let's ask first: How many knew an attack was going to take place?

How many FBI and CIA and NSA and others in the gov. knew about what has now become the OCT? Hundreds? 50?

We know bush was told an attack was about to happen. How many knew before bush was told?

And why didn't they alert us?

[Ohio Joe]

2. Sorry

My thread, start your own if you want another topic. In here I will not play your game of "lets change the topic". If it is a good question, answer it or go away.

[BeFree]

4. My thread, Stay Out!!

ROFLMAO!!

[Ohio Joe]

5. Non-sense, just stay on topic

If you want a new topic, start your own, do not de-rail mine.

[Ohio Joe]

6. So... Not even a S.W.A.G.?

How interesting.

[BeFree]

7. Hmmmm

What the fuck are you talking about

Seriously, I'm not even following you anymore.

[Ohio Joe]

8. S.W.A.G.

Stupid Wild Ass Guess.

You got one?

At least you get an answer.

[KDLarsen]

3. Judging by the standards so far..

In on it:
Any official denouncing 9/11 Truth
Any official 'whistleblowing' about issues in the intelligence community, but denouncing 9/11 truth

Not in on it:
Any official not denouncing 9/11 Truth
Any official 'whistleblowing' about issues in the intelligence community, but not denouncing 9/11 truth

[SidDithers]

9. All of 'em...nt

Sid

[zappaman]

10. tough question, but I will take a stab at it

The entire Bush Administration, the Clinton Administration, the Obama Administration, the house of representatives, the senate, the Mayor's office of NY, the NYPD, the NYFD, the heads of state of every country of the world, every single news outlet on the planet, everyone on the ground who saw the planes hit, everyone who saw the planes hit on TV, the airlines who planes hit, the relatives of passengers and crew who were on the planes that hit, the relatives of anyone who died in the buildings that were hit and Osama Bin Laden.
Not sure about the actual total since I may have left someone out, but I guess it's around 4-5 billion people.
But one day the truth will come out!!!

[Ohio Joe]

11. I think you have it

I can not think of any truther scenario that has any less.

[wildbilln864]

12. Hey Joe...

How's it going man? Good I hope!
BTW, I think it could be done with maybe twenty to thirty.

[SDuderstadt]

13. Buillshit, Bill....

Please explain your "theory"

[Bolo Boffin]

14. Odd, that's about the count of the "official government theory."

19 or 20 hijackers, some support to get money back and forth... That's about 20-30 right there!

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[reinvestigate911]

17. first time i find myself agreeing with you...

but i assert that the question itself is stupid.

if the official narrative calls for 19 hijackers (and a couple more for financial support/logistics) then why does an alternate theory somehow require "thousands" or "millions"? answer: it doesn't.

people who are unable to think past their paygrade typically advance silly questions like this because they lack the insight into how covert military intelligence operations actually work.

hint: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(intelligence)">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Compartmentalization_(intelligence)
(you'll have to copy/paste the link above for it to work.)

[SDuderstadt]

18. Okay...

if it could be done with just a handful of people, why can't the "truth movement" find these guys?

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[SDuderstadt]

24. No, dude...

the hijackers miraculously survived their planes crashing.

What the fuck are you babbling about now?

[Ohio Joe]

21. How do you arrive at that number?

How many for each aspect of the job were needed?

[reinvestigate911]

22. why would it require any more than that number? n/t

[Ohio Joe]

23. All depends on what you think happened

I do not know your beliefs so the number may be fine, I'm just asking you to explain the number.

[hack89]

53. The 19 Hijackers didn't have to execute a massive cover up, did they?

a cover up that encompasses a large swath of the Federal government.

Impossible to compartmentalize a huge investigation that invited public comment and published the results.

[wildbilln864]

40. so you believe 20-30 al CIAda's could do it...

but 20 - 30 government & military insiders couldn't!? :crazy:

[SDuderstadt]

42. Yes, Bill

Duh. Do you honestly claim that a "false flag" wouldn't be much harder to pull off? Think this through, dude. Hint: the "false flag" has to plan for both sides.

[wildbilln864]

44. deleted. nt

[SDuderstadt]

45. Nice edit, dude....

too late.

[wildbilln864]

47. TY. nt

[Mist]

51. Yes, but they're *EVIL* Arabs, which makes them wily and smarter than us! nt

[hack89]

52. al CIAda didn't have to worry about a cover up, now did they? nt

[Ohio Joe]

20. Hey Wildbill

Things are ok, I still need a job but it could be worse.

OK... I guess it depends on what a given person believes about 9/11. The more things a person believes the more people it takes. For instance, all three buildings in NY were CD. How many people to do that and who were they? (not specific names but military, blackwater, whatever) A few, two or three... man that is going to take forever and definitely increase the risk of discovery by a lot. A lot of people? Still a lot of risk that someone notices, Plus add more people to the list in the know.

It seems to me that the more I look at all of the different claims about 9/11, the larger and larger the list of people gets. Now, I understand that not everyone believes all of the different claims and to be honest, I forget what your ideas are but that just seems like a very low number. I also understand that a lot people could inn theory have helped without being in on it, they were given orders to do something or were somehow tricked, whatever but I also think that once events unfolded these many of these people would have realized right away.

I don't know, even just putting together some common 9/11 theories like CD and no plane at the pentagon would require a bunch of people to pull off.

[SDuderstadt]

25. "once events unfolded these many of these people would have realized right away"

Exactly, OJ...the "truthers" want us to believe that no one would talk because they were 1) fine with killing thousands of their fellow americans 2) they are afraid of losing their jobs or 3) they have been threatened with their lives.


Isn't it easy to see why the "truthers" are so laughable?

[wildbilln864]

41. "these many of these people..."

talk about incoherent! :eyes:

[SDuderstadt]

43. Did you notice the quotation marks....

Bill?

[wildbilln864]

46. well nope I didn't sdude.

so sorry.

[Ohio Joe]

50. heh, that was me being a bit off

I do that from time to time. I like to read my posts change it about if I think I might not be clear... and sometimes I make it less clear by doing so :D

[wildbilln864]

56. I know exactly what you mean there...

I seem to have that happen here a lot too but that's ok.

[wildbilln864]

55. Well maybe but...

I've heard that the nano thermit could be used as a paint and painted onto the steel support structures. If that's possible, why couldn't one man order an unknowing crew to paint the thermit on? Routine maintenance. It wouldn't require as many as one might think IMO. One man controlling people who are not in the know. Then after all is applied one man can go set the igniters what ever they might be.

Glad to hear your doing well Joe. Hope you find a good job you like soon too. The paper says unemployment's at a record 12 point something percent here now.
:hi:

[hack89]

16. 37

give or take a million.

[BeFree]

26. In on it?

Well, the president surely was.
Cheney, too.
At least a 1,000 pentagon staff.
CIA? Yeah, some.
Foreign governments? A bunch, I forget how many.
The media pretty much went along with it and juiced it up to the max.
At least half of congress, too. They had to know, a bunch of them even said so.

And the consequence of it was that billions of dollars was spent, and maybe a hundred thousand killed.

And caused another 4,000 Americans to die.

All the while dragging America's good name through the mud.

All in all, thousands upon thousands were 'In on it'.







We know it as WMD in Iraq.


So don't hand us this bullshit that they care about people, and wouldn't go along with creating death and destruction and that they wouldn't lie too and cheat the America public just to get their evil way.

We know better. Every one of us knows better.

[SDuderstadt]

27. Let us know when you can PROVE it, dude....n/t

[BeFree]

29. You don't know?

""Let us know when you can PROVE it, dude....n/t""
Posted by SDuderstadt

You don't know they lied to us about WMD in Iraq?

Un-fucking believable that you would utter such nonsense.
You have finally gone over the edge, eh?

[SDuderstadt]

30. Dude....I have already condemned what Bush did AFTER 9/11...

I'm referring to your goofy "9/11 was an inside job" bullshit.

You need to quit dishonestly twisting what people actually say, dude.

[reinvestigate911]

31. so all these completely OUT THERE conspiracies are capable of happening AFTER 9/11

but somehow the official narrative of 9/11 itself is seared into memory as God's Honest Truth.

let's see.
suspension of habeas corpus? check.
warrantless wiretapping? check.
outing of valerie plame? check.
lying about torture? check.
lying about how torture is effective? check.
mass DOJ firings? check.
multiple allegations of wrongdoing and cronyism by numerous whistleblowers? check.
lying about WMD in iraq? check.
lying about the air quality at ground zero? check.
not turning a blind eye but faciliting and enabling in every possible way the rampant predatory lending practices that led to the economic tsunami of late 2008? check.
the government bio-terror scientist who mass-mailed "anthrax memos" to congress and the media? check.

ah, the comforting lie.

the one that really gets me though is the torture. i can't even grasp how that doesn't completely fucking tip the scale.
in my mind, anyone capable of that is capable of ANYTHING.

the fact that you guys accept the government's narrative of 9/11 in light of the above is... well... it is what it is. but i'm glad as FUCK that i'm not you. i'll take the horrendous truth any day.

[SDuderstadt]

32. Please, dude....

show us where we "accept the government's narrative of 9/11". Please be specific.

Does it ever occur to you that one can accept the consensus account of 9/11, yet despise the Bush administration for how they exploited it?

[reinvestigate911]

33. accept it? you fight tooth and nail in here daily to DEFEND it n/t

[SDuderstadt]

34. No, dude...

I call you on YOUR lack of proof for your goofy bullshit...

That is not the same thing as defending whatever-it-is-you-think-I-am-defending.

Again, you start casting aspersions on my motivation.

[reinvestigate911]

35. you deny that you post in this forum on a near daily basis with the sole intent of debunking

"goofy '9/11 was an inside job' bullshit"?

really?
really?

[SDuderstadt]

36. No, I don't deny that....

because you have no evidence for your goofy claim. It deserves debunking, dude.

You seem to think your goofy bullshit is sacrosanct and cannot be challenged on a factual basis. "True believer" syndrome.

[reinvestigate911]

37. that's just another one of your goofy coincidence theories, dude.

you're such a sucker for those.

[SDuderstadt]

38. No, "coincidence theory" is what you invoke to explain what you...

have no concrete proof for. You have a poor grasp of probability, dude.

[Ohio Joe]

28. You are just determined to de-rail the thread

Why are you so bothered by this question?

[quickesst]

39. 49....

....or 50. Depends on who you ask. :think: Thanks.
quickesst

[rschop]

48. How many "know" and are not coming forward?

Perhaps only between 50-80 people were actually aware that 9/11 was going to take place and even knew Mihdhar and Hazmi were inside of the US preparing to take part in this huge al Qaeda attack. Of these 50-60 were at the CIA and 15-20 were at FBI HQ in the ITOS unit, or in the office of the Director of the FBI.

I have the actual names of many of these people and the groups they were working in for almost all of the others. I have no information on NSA people who might have been involved and think the NSA was probably either not involved or their involvement was well hidden.


The ones that were directly involved in allowing the al Qaeda terrorists at carry out the attacks on 9/11 know they would go to prison if they were exposed. The ones that now know what happened but were actually innocent at the time of the 9/11 attacks are afraid they will lose their pensions and be ostracized if they talk.

[rschop]

49. Who knew that this attack on 9/11 was coming?

This is of course outside of the actual al Qaeda terrorists who took part in this attack, perhaps only 36-40 knew to some extent that this attack was coming and only about 6-10 terrorists actaully knew all of the details. In all perhaps only 100 al Qaeda terrorist took part in setting up, financing and carrying out this attack.

[rschop]

54. K&R

[Make7]

57. 9/11: a 7-Man Job

 
http://georgewashington.blogspot.com/2006/04/911-7-man-job.html


Apparently the answer is seven...