FireFighter Eric Lawyer Slams NIST And The 9/11 "Investigation"

[IScreamSundays]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uor8NhUr_90

[SDuderstadt]

1. And, Eric Lawyer perpetuates a lot of myths about...

9/11, just like other "truthers". Simple question: why is the FDNY so underrepresented in FF49/11T?

[Kesha]

4. Simple answer...

Because you guys were tought to sing the national anthem at basic school.

[SDuderstadt]

5. Thanks for a totally incoherent...

answer, dude.

[SecularMotion]

2. "It was a criminal investigation to cover up a crime"

Thanks for posting this.

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[SDuderstadt]

6. Lawyer can yammer all he wants to about NFPA standards....

of course, he won't tell you that the NFPA was part of the investigation itself:

http://www.nfpa.org/assets/files/MbrSecurePDF/WTC.pdf

[IScreamSundays]

7. That article is from November/December 2001

It doesn't seem like it is the result of any investigation at all.

[SDuderstadt]

9. Really?

You're complaining that the investigation came too close to the actual incident?

[SecularMotion]

11. It doesn't matter who was part of the investigation

His accusations are that the investigation failed to meet the standards.

[SDuderstadt]

13. So, the NFPA didn't meet their own standards?

Why would they do that?

[SecularMotion]

16. That's the same question Eric Lawyer in the video is asking

Why did the investigation fail to meet the standards?

[SDuderstadt]

17. How do you know they did?

Because someone alleged it? Do you really think every body that investigated 9/11 was "in on it"?

[SecularMotion]

18. Don't go off on a tangent

If you're here to debunk, then answer the specific accusations of failures made in the video.

[SDuderstadt]

19. No, that's called "trying to shift the burden of proof"....

the person making the allegation has the burden of proving it.

[SecularMotion]

22. Did you even watch the video?

He backs up his accusations with facts.

[SDuderstadt]

23. Really?

Why don't you look at the link Seger provides below from firehouse.com and see what other firefighters have to say about Lawyer and, especially, about the inapplicability of NFPA 921:

I got to this section and quit:


Quote:
NFPA (National Fire Protection Association) 921, which is the National Standard for Fire and Explosion Investigations, very clearly indicates in numerous sections that the possibility of explosives should have been thoroughly investigated. Specifically in NFPA 921 18.3.2 High Order Damage - “High-order damage is characterized by shattering of the structure, producing small, pulverized debris. Walls, roofs, and structural members are splintered or shattered, with the building completely demolished. Debris is thrown great distances, possibly hundreds of feet. High-order damage is the result of rapid rates of pressure rise.” World Trade Center’s 1, 2, and 7 all clearly met this definition; therefore they should have been thoroughly investigated and analyzed for explosives. Specifically, the use of “exotic accelerants” should have been investigated. In NFPA 921 19.2.4 -”Exotic Accelerants,” three indicators were clearly met that should have led to a thorough investigation in to the possible use of “exotic accelerants,” specifically as stated in the guideline, “Thermite mixtures.”

So, why was the possibility of explosives, controlled demolition, or the use of “exotic accelerants” not thoroughly investigated, or even mentioned in the 9-11 Commission Report?

Firefighters for 9-11 Truth demand the following:

A truly independent investigation with Subpoena and Contempt Powers to uncover the complete truth of the events related to 9/11/2001 – specifically the collapse of WTC Tower 7 and the possibility of explosive demolition.
The investigation to follow the national standards so clearly outlined in the National Fire Protection Association guidelines, specifically, NFPA 921 to include thorough analysis of the steel for the presence of “exotic accelerants.”
Congress to honor the promises made to the rescue workers of 9/11 by passing the James Zadroga 9/11 Health and Compensation Act of 2008.
Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the planning, and execution of the murders committed on September 11, 2001.
Prosecution of all individuals willfully involved in the Obstruction of Justice and Destruction of Evidence surrounding the events of September 11, 2001.

NFPA 921 is not an outline for investigating a terrorism incident. It is a guideline for investigating fires and explosions. It would not be appropriate for this type of incident.

Also, the definitions and sections cited are grossly taken out of context for self-serving reasons.

These folks are flippin' nut jobs.
__________________
PROUD, HONORED AND HUMBLED RECIPIENT OF THE PURPLE HYDRANT AWARD - 10/2007.

[SecularMotion]

25. They claim a "terrorism incident" is not a fire and explosion!!!

That's laughable!

A thorough investigation should follow guidelines to determine the exact cause of the fire and explosion. The investigation failed to do so.

[SDuderstadt]

26. Dude...

you don't think an airliner visibly crashing into the towers at 500+ MPH is a self-evident cause??????

[SecularMotion]

27. Don't start the condescending "dude" crap.

You're going off on a tangent again. Please watch the video and answer the accusations.

[SDuderstadt]

28. Prove the accusations are true...

dude. Do you even know anything about the NFPA?

[SecularMotion]

29. Are you an intern?

Did the regular debunkers go out for donuts? You're doing a shitty job.

[SDuderstadt]

30. Really?

You don't think the maker of a claim bears the burden of proof?

Simple question: why is the FDNY (you know the guys that were actually there) so poorly represented in Lawyer's group?

[SecularMotion]

31. Watch the video and stop going off on tangents.

He provides solid proof of his accusations in the video.

[SDuderstadt]

32. No, he doesn't...

Again, do you know anything about the NFPA?

[AZCat]

38. Which standards is he referencing?

I've heard a similar claim before, and the person had incorrectly applied the standard in question.

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[SDuderstadt]

10. Good....

warn us if your plans change and you're coming to the United States.

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[SDuderstadt]

14. As I have said before...

enjoy your short stay....

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[SDuderstadt]

21. I don't live in the Bay Area, dude....

duh

[zappaman]

24. dude

you need meds...not mods.

[wildbilln864]

33. Things that make me go hmmm....

nt

[SDuderstadt]

34. Deleted messages make you go....

hmmm???

[wildbilln864]

35. It wasn't deleted when I read it, screen copied and posted.

Hmmm.

[SDuderstadt]

36. Well, Bill....

you might want to look at the poster's profile.

[OnTheOtherHand]

37. file that one under "good riddance"

A fair amount of crap goes on here, but that was utterly beyond the pale.

[William Seger]

20. "I founded the Firefighters for 9/11 Truth..."

"... after I watched Richard {Gage} in one of his presentations..." :eyes:

Are you suggesting that since Eric Lawyer is a firefighter, people should take Gage's idiotic nonsense seriously?

If that "logic" makes sense to you, then perhaps you'd be interested in how Lawyer is doing with recruiting fellow firefightes:
http://www.firehouse.com/forums/showthread.php?t=107457

For example:

koolaid1...

No one missed your first post. Most of us here prefer not to waste our time with people like you that simply prefer to stir the pot and dismiss the word of the true Brothers that were there that day have to say. Show me the masses of FDNY firefighters that stand with you. Come on I'll wait. there are roughly 12,000 of them. Why aren't they lined up en masse to back your position? Because when you face the true facts you end up looking like just another conspiracy wack job.

[IScreamSundays]

39. kicking for the heck of it. nt

[immune]

40. Stunning.

Well okay, maybe not so stunning.

[terrafirma]

41. So the PTB

were very selective in who they gave the gag order too. Is that it?

Or am I missing something here...