Now that Faisal Shahzad is in custody for the Times Square

[LARED]

bombing attempt, I thought it would be a perfect time to do an informal wager.

How long will it take for someone to post a CT that implicates the US government or corporate America as being involved?

I have $10.00 that says before noon today.

[OnTheOtherHand]

1. you mean, again?

Did you see this post from early yesterday morning? (Never mind the psyops thread -- hard to tell who is being implicated in what there.)

[whatchamacallit]

2. Obviously longer than it takes an authoritarian to make the knee-jerk assumption

that the guy with the funny name definitely did it. :eyes: :puke:

[SDuderstadt]

3. You need to quit smearing your fellow DUers as...

"authoritarians", dude.

[whatchamacallit]

4. If you can call us "truthers, troofers, CTers, kooks..."

you can be called what you are.

[SDuderstadt]

6. Bullshit, dude...

First of all, I have never called anyone here a "troofer" or a "kook". Beyond that, disagreeing with you on the facts hardly makes us "authoritarian". Please point to any examples that demonstrate anyone here is an "authoritarian". Take your time.

This is just your way of poisoning the debate and starting a fight.

[OnTheOtherHand]

7. gee, speaking of knee-jerk assumptions...

would you care to explain who you think is assuming that "the guy with the funny name definitely did it"?

Because you sure won't find that in the OP.

[LARED]

15. An authoritarian did that?

The irony though is pretty good. You accuse me of a knee jerk assumptiom, but somehow it passes right over your head that it is in fact you that is making a knee jerk assumption that I only posted this because the name is somehow "funny".

[zappaman]

16. Not to mention the name isn't even funny.

I have a vewy gweat fwiend in Wome named Biggus Dickus...now there is a funny name!

[LARED]

20. Now that's a funny name nt

[zappaman]

5. No, the US government and corporate America were not involved

No, if you follow the logical evidence, you will see that it is the alien race that has us under quarantine.
Every once in a while, they leave the safety of their spaceship which is disguised as our moon, and come down here to fuck around.
Do I win your $10?

[seatnineb]

8. LARED sounds relieved that it is a funny named person who is responsible

Gee LARED.....you have been a member of DU for ages...why did you not link us to this incident that occured back in 2003:

Bomb put on awning kills 3 in Tel Aviv / Attack at money-changer tied to organized crime, police say

December 12, 2003|By Greg Myre, Christine Hauser, New York Times

(12-12) 04:00 PST Tel Aviv — 2003-12-12 04:00:00 PST

Tel Aviv -- Explosives placed on an awning over the entrance to a currency exchange shop here KILLED 3 PEOPLE and wounded 12 Thursday in what the Israeli police labeled a purely criminal matter.

SNIP

"We are treating this as a criminal attack," said a police spokesman, Gil Kleiman, describing the bomb's apparent target, Zeev Rosenstein, as an "underworld figure." At least 12 people also were wounded, including the apparent target.

SNIP

Despite police assurances it was not a terrorist bombing, it succeeded in frightening residents already edgy from three years of Palestinian suicide bombings. The scene resembled the aftermath of dozens of such attacks: a gutted storefront -- wires and pipes hanging from its ceiling -- swarming police and bloodied bodies lying in the street.

"It was so big, I don't believe that it was a criminal act," said Avraham Rahamim, 61, sitting at a taxi stand across the five-lane street from the scene of the blast, aimed at a money changer's shop.

Israel radio interviewed a woman slightly wounded in the bombing who said that before the blast, another Israeli had urged her to get away. She said she had asked why and had been told, "You don't want to know."

Kleiman said the explosion represented the sixth known attempt on Rosenstein's life.

Reacting to the bombing, Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon said the next meeting of his Cabinet, on Sunday, would be devoted to organized crime in Israel, reflecting the seriousness of the problem.

Channel Two TV reported that the underworld rivalry stretched far beyond Israel, encompassing illegal gambling interests in East Europe.
Israeli authorities expressed concern about the escalation in tactics. The Israeli gangsters "are definitely learning from the Palestinians," said Tel Aviv District Commander Yossi Sedbon, turning from shootings to bombings.

In the past, criminals have planted bombs under each other's cars, but this was the first time a bomb was set off on a busy street, targeting a shop where an underworld leader was present and sure to cause casualties among innocent bystanders.
http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=382539&Date=12/13/2003.

edit for spelling

[Bolo Boffin]

9. The sound of LARED's relief is in your head.

There's nothing about his post that indicates relief. Less projection and attacking of other DU members and more substantive discussion from you would be nice.

[seatnineb]

11. Wow that was quick......is it your shift?---I am sure LARED can stick

...up for himself.

I guess you dont have an opinion on this particular bombing..or are you too afraid to have an opinion:

TEL AVIV — To a terror-weary nation, the scene of Israel´s latest fatal bombing Thursday looked bleakly familiar: the jagged and gaping storefront, the carpet of smashed glass, the squad of well-practiced religious volunteers gathering strewn fragments of the dead for proper burial.


But this blast, which killed three people and injured more than 30 others, was different from the suicide attacks that have killed hundreds of Israeli civilians during the three-year Palestinian uprising.

This time, police said, the attack was about crime, not politics, and the target was not the civic psyche but a reputed organized crime boss, Zeev Rosens
http://www.unitedjerusalem.org/index2.asp?id=382539&Date=12/13/2003

[Bolo Boffin]

13. And you continue your smear games by implying this is my job.

And you continue your evasion games by trying to hijack the thread and talk about something other than the OP.

Please stop with the silly games, seatnineb.

[seatnineb]

21. Evation...hijacking threads.....jealouse that I am better at it than you.

[LARED]

18. You are staking a lot of what little (and I mean microscopic)

credibility you may have in conflating this incident in Israel from only eight years ago with your incredible accusation that I posted this because the guy had a funny name (your words).

Good luck with this tactic. I find it amusing.

[seatnineb]

22. I know that incidents involving Israelis killing Israelis is of no interest to you...

Or should I say you are interested in making sure that no one else is interested in incidents where Israelis have killed Israelis.

Still too afraid to comment?

thought so.

[LARED]

27. Wow, step away from the bong

you seem to be hallucinating.

I have no clue what it is you expect me to comment about.

[seatnineb]

34. Cut the condescending remark....

Love the way you passed of Israelis bombing fellow Israelis as "good old fashioned criminal activity"
Like its nothing unsual....and does not deserve any attention.......lol...U R way to predictable LARED.

[LARED]

41. Perhaps why not just explain what it is

you want me to comment about instead of changing the subject.

[seatnineb]

45. Why not start a thread about the Tel Aviv bombing...cant be difficult can it?

[LARED]

49. You're the one that has the interest in this bombing

so why don't you start a new thread?

[seatnineb]

55. And I just wanna show how disinterested you are in this Tel Aviv

bombing.

Mission accomplished so far.

[Bolo Boffin]

59. You're fucking HIJACKING THE THREAD.

The Tel Aviv bombing has nothing at all to do with the Times Square bombing. What is your fucking problem?

[Name removed]

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[LARED]

63. Well you are correct.

I have no interest in that bombing.

I might be interested if you could muster a reason for me to be interested.

[seatnineb]

66. I know I am correct...just needed to show it to everyone -else.

[LARED]

75. Well now that you've showed it......

care to explain why anyone would give a rat's rear end that was not interested in your hijacking attemp?

[seatnineb]

78. The fact that you responded shows U R interested

[LARED]

80. I'm interested in your motivation

As I have repeatedly stated the Tel Aviv bombing holds little interest.

[SDuderstadt]

10. "Lared sounds relived (sic)"

Bullshit, dude. Specifically how does Lared "sound relieved"?

[seatnineb]

12. Well would he have written a similar post if a certain "John Smith"

..had been implicated.

I fuckin doubt it.
The bullshit is all yours.

By the way thanks for the spell check.

[SDuderstadt]

14. Dude...you're no better at mind-reading than you are...

spelling. Your stupid conjecture is nothing more than a smear.

[seatnineb]

23. Jeez you are predictable....this is the best that DU's debunkers have to offer

yawn

[LARED]

19. Actually I would have been more likely to post this if John Smith

was arrested on a plane to Dubai as an American name would certainly fuel the fevered imaginations of the CTer far better than a Middle Eastern name.

[seatnineb]

24. Umm...so you are already saying that if a John Smith had been indicted

....that it would have been a conspiracy theory?

[OnTheOtherHand]

26. huh?

I'm not sure what that means, but it certainly isn't what LARED wrote.

[seatnineb]

33. Well "fueling the CTer's imigination" is another way of saying

....that a bunch of folks are believing in a particular conspiracy.

Clearer for you now?

Yes
No

[OnTheOtherHand]

37. no, not clearer

Why would people be "believing in a particular conspiracy" independent of the information that (in LARED's view as I interpret his post) would fuel their imaginations?

[seatnineb]

38. You got 2 things hypothetical things goin on here:

You have ethinicity(Arab or American).....and you have affiliation(CIA or Alquida).

For someone like LARED....affiliation is the key.

It would not matter what the ethnicity of the bomber/person was....so long as they were affiliated with Alquida....that for LARED would be fact....although i am guessing that LARED is happy enough that the person in this case is /has an islamic name/culture....

Chances are that had the bomber been someone with an ango-saxon name....and had been affiliated with CIA...LARED would not have started any threads here on DU....as i said just a hunch.

[OnTheOtherHand]

39. "i am guessing"

OK, well, we can at least agree on that much.

[seatnineb]

44. Thanks for showing us how you are pretending not to understand.

[OnTheOtherHand]

53. you're inventing things about other posters, and otherwise you make little sense

So, I think "I am guessing" is the best thing you said. A glimmer of self-awareness, perhaps.

[seatnineb]

56. Actually i am showing how some posters pick and choose which incidents

..are worthy of attention...and which are not.

You also fall into that category.

[Bolo Boffin]

60. Why would the Tel Aviv bombing even be discussed in this forum?

There's an Israel/Palestine forum to discuss topics like that.

Stop hijacking this thread!

[Name removed]

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[LARED]

43. Yes, I make a distinction between the CIA and Alquida (shocking huh)

The CIA as a general rule are the good guys and Alquida is in general not pleased with America, and try to blow up stuff and kill innocent people.

[seatnineb]

48. Tell that to a fellow called Ahmed Badeeb --who was Bin Laden's mentor

..aswell as working for the CIA.

Shockin

Huh?

[LARED]

50. What would be shocking is you providing a response to

how that bit of information (if true) is germane to the OP.

[seatnineb]

57. The information is true.

Ahmed Badeeb was Bin Laden's teacher in Saudi Arabia.

He was also a member of the Saudi Intelligence Service(GID).

He was recuited by the CIA to relocate the stinger missiles used by the Mujehedin after their war with the Soviets.

Small world aint it?

[LARED]

61. Ok, so what does that have to do with the OP? nt

[seatnineb]

68. It shows how al- CIA -da's actions serve the .....the CIA.

[LARED]

28. Words usually have fairly plain meanings

I would suggest you consult a dictionary to figure out what I said.

[seatnineb]

35. So lets get this straight

If an American with a good ol fashioned anglo saxon name ..and secretly belonging to the CIA...is indicted for trying to detonate a bomb in Times Square...that is a conspiracy theory.

If an American/Pakistani/Arab immigrant with a good ol fashioned Islamic name ..and belonging to the CIA...is indicted for trying to detonate a bomb in Times Square...that is a conspiracy theory.

If an American with a good ol fashioned Islamic name ..and belonging to Alquida...is indicted for trying to detonate a bomb in Times Square...that is a fact.....not a conspiracy theory.

LARED....You keep smokin your "Al quida are gonna destroy America" bong.

[LARED]

42. You seem to be increasingly incoherent

That seems to be the only explanation for your dishonest framing of this OP.

That or you're back on the bong

[seatnineb]

46. Oh i am perfectly coherent to you ol buddy--still too afraid to touch the 2003 tel aviv bombing

I aint surprised

[LARED]

51. I've asked you a number of times, but received no response

Why should I comment on this issue. Why should I be interested in commenting? How is the subject germane to the OP?

Why are you afraid?

[seatnineb]

54. You are interested in guy planting a bomb in times square

...but not intetrested in an Israeli(s) who planted and detonated a bomb in Tel Aviv.

Why are you not interested.

Would you have been more interested if that bomber in Tel Aviv had been Palestinian?

Yes
No

[LARED]

62. Perhaps English is not your first language?

The OP is pretty clear that I am interested in how long it would take before someone posted about the bombing attempt being an inside job. The person who planted the bomb is somewhat immaterial. Something that has completely gone over your head about twenty times.

[seatnineb]

69. Because in the world of LARED..

Only big bad Muslims/Arabs/Asians........ detonate bombs that threaten LARED's civilized world...

That Tel Aviv boming was not very civilized...was it LARED?

[LARED]

76. Once again you establish without doubt

that you do not understand English too well.

[seatnineb]

79. I understand English very well mate....U know that.

[LARED]

81. Is there a difference between understanding and

comprehension? You do seem to understand the English words but have trouble comprehending the context.

[LARED]

17. A few reasons

1. I didn't know that happened.
2. Bombs going off in Israel are unfortunately far more common there than here.
3. The guy with the funny name was captured boarding a plane to the Middle East is somewhat a give away that the bomb was planted for something other than good old fashioned criminal activity.
4. I could go on but.......

[seatnineb]

25. But bombs going off where Israelis have killed other Israelis

...is not so common..

Does that not interest you.

Could you find me a link where one American gang/group has bombed the rivals of a fellow American gang...whilst killing some innocent bystanders at the same time?

[LARED]

29. It's very unclear why you think your concern about

Israels' bombing other Israels'is germane to the OP.

[seatnineb]

36. Oh I thinks it perfectly clear...try being honest for once.

[LARED]

40. If being incoherent is the same as being "perfecty clear" then

we agree.

[seatnineb]

47. Keep running dude..its what you do best.

[LARED]

52. You are the one running from my question dude. nt

[seatnineb]

58. Do you always ask obviouse questions when you are on the run?

[LARED]

64. Do you always post incoherent nonsense?

I didn't even ask a question.

[seatnineb]

70. Jeez....are you suffering from Alzimers?

[SDuderstadt]

71. "Alzimers" (sic)

Parading your ignorance around again, SI9B?

It's Alzheimer's. Duh.

[seatnineb]

73. Yawnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

[LARED]

30. I was off by just under a day

http://www.democraticunderground.com/discuss/duboard.php?az=view_all&address=125x287333

[zappaman]

31. I am truly surprised

it took that long!

[LARED]

32. It could be just bad timing

with the BP thing swimming around the swamp lands of the BS addicted, there could be a delay in them getting up a head of imaginary steam.

Multitasking CT's perpetrated by the PTB without the easy BFEE meme may also be a stretch for truthers.

[woo me with science]

77. LOL! nt